Muriah: Richard Gardiner was indeed at Plymouth for at least three years. He was a participant in the land division of 1623 and doesn't show up in the cattle division of 1627. The implication is that he was there somewhere between three and seven years. If a person can buy into the notion that Richard returned to England and he was lost at sea sometime over a twenty or so year time period, we can indeed overlook him. Like I stated earlier John Gardner can be descended from any Gardner family. All we have to do is look at Plymouth and the people that went through there in the 1620-1630 period. Plymouth was not an isolated place. I would suggest the Stratton book on Plymouth Colony. I did not state that John was descended from Richard Gardiner, but I did state that I would not overlook him. There have been recent lines established from Mayflower passengers. I'm not trying to establish a Mayflower line. You are listing two possible ancestral lines for John Gardner and no others. I think you'll find that the two lines you've suggested have been looked at already by a lot of people. I'm open-minded and the obvious isn't already wrong. If you want to reply to me off-line I will discuss it further. thanks, Charles >The obvious is wrong. > >According to my family mythology, we were supposedly descendants from >Richard >Gardner of the Mayflower. I was impressed with his bold signature when >I saw it >at the site on Cape Cod. I set out to get proof of our relationship in >order to >get one of the Mayflower Descendant Certificates for a relative, as a >gift. >After many hints that there was no trace of any descendants from that >seaman, I >finally found historical notation of the time that Richard Gardner of >the >Mayflower died at sea never having married and without offspring, >according to >records of the time and as far as was known by the people of the time. > >The only Gardner that I find in the first decade of immigration from >England to >America, the early 1600s, is the Thomas Gardner family with sons John & >Richard. There is the Lyon Gardener family, but that is not Gardner. > >There is the family of a female L Gardner that seems to be separate from >those >two immigrant families, and associated with Canada, but the immigration >data of >that family seems to not be established and/or available, and may be a >later >arrival. > >Muriah >_______________ > >charles brack wrote: > >> John Gardner did generate some records and that's the way I will try to find >> him. I may or may not be successful. >> >> If I were to try to tie him to another Gardner, I would go for the obvious, >> Richard Gardner, Mayflower seaman. >> >> John could have been an immigrant or he could have been born anywhere >> between what is now Maine and the southern region of what was then the >> Virginia Company. Too many Gardners to try to connect to. >> >> Charles >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: muriah <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:53 PM >> Subject: 1623 IMMIGRANT JOHN GARDNER Re: [GARDNER] John Gardner, Plymouth, >> Marshfield, MA 1600s >> >> >If I were researching this, I might first theorize and then research >> whether >> >this John Gardner is descendant or relative of John Gardner who came from >> >England to MA in 1623 with his father, Thomas Gardner, and family, and >> lived >> >first at Cape Ann and then Boston and then Nantucket and then the migration >> from >> >the island to Carolina during the war. >> >If not relative of that Immigrant, than perhaps of immigrant Lyon Gardner >> of >> >Gardner Island. >> >________ >> >> ============================== >> Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >