Marilynn wrote in part: > We, my Muttdom family, decided we refuse to be English. Hi: This is almost *guaranteed* to result in your Gardners coming from East Anglia, Kent, Oxfordshire, Sussex, Wessex, or Middlesex and having a coat of arms granted by Henry the Sixth. Which you will discover after years of frustrated searching, of course <big grin>. After a long enough time spent at a brick wall, even a traitorous expatriate with a legendary wart on his nose would begin to look "relatively attractive". So maybe you'll change your mind about the English.... Darrell descended from GARDNERs of the Scottish persuasion (also some English, French Canadian, Irish, Mohawk, Welsh) [email protected]