Okay Cousins, I have been properly chastised. However, I did not mean fall back and start your research over. I meant fall back and start these conversations over, interspersing an occasional "How do you know this?" "What is your source for this?" etc. I have yet to see anyone on this list ask another this kind of question. In another line, I have experienced "speculation" becoming "fact" and passed on to unsuspecting newcomers who spent untold hours trying to find proof of something that never existed. Lois (not X-file) Scully