Hi, everybody: I think this is one thread that needs to die a sudden death from neglect. Thank you for your cooperation. Darrell list admin, GARDNER-L Darrell A. Martin working from web-based Earthlink mail darrellm@sprynet.com

lol......yeah i am glad she didn't meet Mr. Weiner! How embaressing that would have been!

My Gardner name is just as unusual. Rothall born 1899 and you are right in the observation that the time frame brought out some unusual names. Has anyone come across this name in their searches? Thanks Collette ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gardner" <jimbo_gardner@hotmail.com> To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Family roots > > Dear Racjon: > John E.Gardner was from MIchigan.I've got this information,but I'm not sure: > Born 28 Mar 1882 Death Feb 1971 93301 (Bakersfield, Kern, CA) (none > specified) 567-18-7278 California . > He got marriage approx 1904 with Lula(Lulu) Graham.(b.1887).They had two > sons: > Thomas L(my grandfather) and Hugh E. > I don't know if you need something else about him.Just know that they lived > in Palo Alto California,maybe they moved after married. > Jim > > > > > > >From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> > >Reply-To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Family roots > >Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:07:01 -0500 > > > >To Racjon and all other Gardners. For awhile all male Gardners were named > >William, James, John, Thomas etc. (Yes, I agree etc. is an odd name) But > >then there came a time in the late 1800s when they blossomed out and thus > >we > >enter the era of the odd names. Bet mine can beat anybody's. > > > >Marilynn, granddaughter of Cosmos Philotus Gardner > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <RACJON@aol.com> > >To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:58 PM > >Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Family roots > > > > > > > Jim, do you know who John E. Gardner's parents were, or where they lived > >in > > > Michigan. I have a John O. Gardner born in 1851, but I have no clue > >what > > > happened to him. My Gardners have odd names, do you have any Lorenzos, > > > Clarks, Claudes, LaFayettes, Lesters, Amos, Elijahs. They resided in > >Oakland > > > Co Michigan > > > Michelle > > > > > > > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > > > You may contradict any idea or fact expressed on this list as > > > vigorously as you like, just be polite and don't get personal. > > > -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > >records, > >go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > >==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > >There is a reasonable expectation that messages on this list will > >have some connection with the GARDNER family (or variant spellings). > >What that means is up to you. -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: > http://messenger.yupimsn.com/ > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > "We dance round in a ring and suppose, > But the Secret sits in the middle and knows." > -- Robert Frost (He must have been a genealogist.) > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Peggy, that was Ophelia's maiden name-----then she married into the Butts family. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jgsturd549@cs.com> To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Family roots Odd Names > I dont Know........on the other side of my family my grandfather's brother's > name is > Ephraim Mandrin Andrew Jackson Blevins! What a mouthful! No wonder he > disappeared! > I have run across some very odd names of living individuals while working: > (honest to God, these are names of real people! I used to work in a shipping > dept!) > 1. Forest Bush > 2. Noah Weiner > and the one I just cant believe someone would name their child: Ophelia > Husbands!! > > Some people really have a sense of humor! > Peggy Gardner Sturdivant > > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > You may contradict any idea or fact expressed on this list as > vigorously as you like, just be polite and don't get personal. > -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I dont Know........on the other side of my family my grandfather's brother's name is Ephraim Mandrin Andrew Jackson Blevins! What a mouthful! No wonder he disappeared! I have run across some very odd names of living individuals while working: (honest to God, these are names of real people! I used to work in a shipping dept!) 1. Forest Bush 2. Noah Weiner and the one I just cant believe someone would name their child: Ophelia Husbands!! Some people really have a sense of humor! Peggy Gardner Sturdivant

Dear Racjon: John E.Gardner was from MIchigan.I've got this information,but I'm not sure: Born 28 Mar 1882 Death Feb 1971 93301 (Bakersfield, Kern, CA) (none specified) 567-18-7278 California . He got marriage approx 1904 with Lula(Lulu) Graham.(b.1887).They had two sons: Thomas L(my grandfather) and Hugh E. I don't know if you need something else about him.Just know that they lived in Palo Alto California,maybe they moved after married. Jim >From: "Marilynn Masten" <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> >Reply-To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com >To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Family roots >Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 14:07:01 -0500 > >To Racjon and all other Gardners. For awhile all male Gardners were named >William, James, John, Thomas etc. (Yes, I agree etc. is an odd name) But >then there came a time in the late 1800s when they blossomed out and thus >we >enter the era of the odd names. Bet mine can beat anybody's. > >Marilynn, granddaughter of Cosmos Philotus Gardner >----- Original Message ----- >From: <RACJON@aol.com> >To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:58 PM >Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Family roots > > > > Jim, do you know who John E. Gardner's parents were, or where they lived >in > > Michigan. I have a John O. Gardner born in 1851, but I have no clue >what > > happened to him. My Gardners have odd names, do you have any Lorenzos, > > Clarks, Claudes, LaFayettes, Lesters, Amos, Elijahs. They resided in >Oakland > > Co Michigan > > Michelle > > > > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > > You may contradict any idea or fact expressed on this list as > > vigorously as you like, just be polite and don't get personal. > > -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, >go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > >==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== >There is a reasonable expectation that messages on this list will >have some connection with the GARDNER family (or variant spellings). >What that means is up to you. -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en línea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.yupimsn.com/

To Racjon and all other Gardners. For awhile all male Gardners were named William, James, John, Thomas etc. (Yes, I agree etc. is an odd name) But then there came a time in the late 1800s when they blossomed out and thus we enter the era of the odd names. Bet mine can beat anybody's. Marilynn, granddaughter of Cosmos Philotus Gardner ----- Original Message ----- From: <RACJON@aol.com> To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Family roots > Jim, do you know who John E. Gardner's parents were, or where they lived in > Michigan. I have a John O. Gardner born in 1851, but I have no clue what > happened to him. My Gardners have odd names, do you have any Lorenzos, > Clarks, Claudes, LaFayettes, Lesters, Amos, Elijahs. They resided in Oakland > Co Michigan > Michelle > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > You may contradict any idea or fact expressed on this list as > vigorously as you like, just be polite and don't get personal. > -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Jim, do you know who John E. Gardner's parents were, or where they lived in Michigan. I have a John O. Gardner born in 1851, but I have no clue what happened to him. My Gardners have odd names, do you have any Lorenzos, Clarks, Claudes, LaFayettes, Lesters, Amos, Elijahs. They resided in Oakland Co Michigan Michelle

Jimbo, I've got a ton of Gardners but not a John E. and none from Michigan. Sorry. Collecting Garners also. The Gardner DNA study group is growing and we invite anyone interested in furthering their search, to join. We post the results periodically on our Web Site www.usroots.com/~gardners/index.html You will note that most of those results so far are not akin to US except for one whose relationship would go back thousands of years. But the others seem to be all of one family. You might find your family in there eventually. I'm sold on DNA for genealogical tracing. Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Gardner" <jimbo_gardner@hotmail.com> To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: [GARDNER] Family roots > Dear friends: > I'd like know something else about my family root.I know that the father of > my grandfather was John E Gardner.He was born on 1882 approx in Michigan. > and lived in Bakersfield, Kern, CA.His parents were from Michigan too.Maybe > my family roots were from Michigan. > Could you help me with that? > Thanks in advance > Jim > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > You may contradict any idea or fact expressed on this list as > vigorously as you like, just be polite and don't get personal. > -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Dear friends: I'd like know something else about my family root.I know that the father of my grandfather was John E Gardner.He was born on 1882 approx in Michigan. and lived in Bakersfield, Kern, CA.His parents were from Michigan too.Maybe my family roots were from Michigan. Could you help me with that? Thanks in advance Jim _________________________________________________________________

Trenton City, Mercer County, New Jersey Directories 1859 TRENTON CITY DIRECTORY Gardner George F. Rev., h Centre n Broad 1882 TRENTON CITY DIRECTORY Gardner Jeremiah, laborer, bds 76 Quarry al 1900 TRENTON CITY DIRECTORY Gardner Adam, potter, h 436 N Clinton av Gardner Francis, salesman, h 388 N Clinton av Gardner Jacob, bricksetter, h 102 Sherman av 1920 TRENTON CITY DIRECTORY Gardner Albert E, laborer, h 39 Barnes Gardner Frederick, potter, h 138 Brunswick av Gardner George O, chauffeur, h 2034 Genesee Gardner Horace C, rubberworker, h Hutchinson's Mills Gardner Isaac, chauffeur, h 837 Revere av Gardner Jacob, electrician, h 1023 N Olden av Gardner John H, salesman, h 831 Spruce Gardner Sebastian, potter, h 285 Ashmore av Gardner William J, sweeper, h 408 Reservoir

List Of Executions - England 1606 Onward JONES, Frederic 1872 08 Jan Murder of EMILY GARDNER through jealosy; Gloucester http://www.fred.net/jefalvey/execute.html

Revolutionary War Pensions Joseph Gardner http://eagle.vsla.edu/cgi-bin/rwp.gateway?searchtype=author&searcharg=Gardner

-------Original Message------- From: Charles Gardner <charleshgardner@charter.net> Sent: 01/20/03 09:23 PM To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Re: Going way back > Boaz, Sand Mountain, AL? Hi: No, you don't get off THAT easy.... Darrell Darrell A. Martin working from web-based Earthlink mail darrellm@sprynet.com

Boaz, Sand Mountain, AL? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph H. Gardner" <jgardner@iglou.com> To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: [GARDNER] Re: Going way back > If Darrell or anyone else can trace us Gardners back to Adam, please post to > the list. I've hit a brick wall at Boaz. > > Cheers, > Joseph Gardner > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > Until every victim's family is comforted > Until every terrorist is brought to justice > We will remember 9-11 -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

-------Original Message------- From: "Joseph H. Gardner" <jgardner@iglou.com> Sent: 01/20/03 07:38 PM To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GARDNER] Re: Going way back > > If Darrell or anyone else can trace us Gardners back to Adam, > please post to the list. I've hit a brick wall at Boaz. > > Cheers, > Joseph Gardner Hi, Joseph: Tell you what. You get us to Boaz, I'll take it from there. With citations and EVERYTHING. Presuming we are thinking of the same Boaz, of course.... [big grin] Darrell Darrell A. Martin working from web-based Earthlink mail darrellm@sprynet.com

Looking for any help on my BRICK WALL, what information that I know so far is: Name of Ancestors:= Joseph Gardner Date of Birth== March 17, 1774 Birth Location= ?. raised in Boston Ma. Date of Death = June 27, 1855 Place of Death = Barboursville, Cabell Co., VA. (WV.) Names of Children= Mary Evelyn, b-1800, Santo Domingo, West Indies, d-October 16, 1874, Greenup, KY.-----George Washington, b-1804 d-1844, Lawrence Co., KY. ? --------Alexander Hamilton, b-1806, d- New Orleans, LA.-----America, b-Abt. 1809, Greenup Co., KY.d-August 1, 1881, Cabell Co., WV.-----Emily, b-Bef. 1810, d-July 1842, Cabell Co., WV.-----Benjamin Franklin, b-March 26, 1811, Greenup Co., KY. d-december 14, 1860, Magoffin Co., KY.------Eliza, b-November 30,1815, Greenup Co., Ky. d- January 5, 1888, Cabell Co., WV.----Joseph Henry, b- July 1, 1820, Cabell Co. Va. (WV.) d-Estill Co., KY. States/Counties of Migraton =MA, West Indies, MA., KY., WV. Whom married ===== French Name-"Lady Marie Theresa Sophie Clotile Raison de la Genesta". Maiden name of Raison to us. Marriage Location== Santo Domingo, West Indies, 1799 Something about family= Joseph Gardner is my BRICK WALL. I found this note in a book that belong to Joseph's grand-son:::: My Grandfather Joseph Gardner, Related to General Putnam was raised in Boston Mass. went to St. Domingo and married. owened large Coffee Plantation, when the insurrections cane up they escaped by the aid of some freindly slaves and came out on one of Girands ship to United States. The French Goverment made St. Domingo pay my Grandmother so much a year during her lifetime for property destroyed as she was a French Subject, She and her husband are buried in the Barboursville old Cemetery. All help will be appreciated

If Darrell or anyone else can trace us Gardners back to Adam, please post to the list. I've hit a brick wall at Boaz. Cheers, Joseph Gardner

-------Original Message------- From: Marilynn Masten <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> Sent: 01/20/03 05:14 PM To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GARDNER] New England Gardners, Picts, and Scots > I had to go to my main source for this. I knew nothing until > this one was born when I was 23 and she has been my boss ever > since. Well, actually I had others and they are all bossy but > she knows the most as far history goes. > > I meant the "firblogs" who the people invading Ireland saw and > dubbed "Leprechauns". She says she and I are not descended from > from the firblogs, but from the Melanesians. I kind of wanted > a grandpa firblog in my line but you can't choose your > ancestors. > > If you ask me, there are too darn many Gardners and if people > had been forced to live alphabetically, as I would have > suggested if I'd been around when people started getting > surnames, there would never have been this confusion. > > My G-G-Grandmother was a Martin. Too many of them, too. Have I > got ONE name in my ancestry that isn't a dime a dozen? How > about Habmeyer? I've got that. Maybe they are a rare bird. > > Marilynn HOO hah! You made my day with this one [grin]. Yes, there are too many MARTINs around. Mine had the annoying habit of changing their native language from Quebecois French to Yankee English, and back again (or the other way around) as it suited them.... I do know some people who *have* chosen their ancestors. Some of them are earlier members of the DAR, or the Mayflower Society [grin]. (That is not the case any more. As I understand it, they have both cleaned up their membership requirements a lot in recent years.) The Fir Bolg make more sense than the Picts, in the context of this thread. There is an interesting site, combining myth with archaeology, at: http://www.danann.org/library/arch/irishmyth.html where one can read of the Parthelonians, the Nemedians, the Fir Bolg (or Firbolg), the Tuatha de Danann, and the Milesians (Melanesians are from the islands of the Southwest Pacific, closer to Indonesia and Australia than the Polynesians). It is all quite fascinating. I do not make any claim for the *accuracy* of this site, but it does read well. If one wishes to believe the Irish King Lists, a dangerous choice for the serious genealogist, it is possible for very many of us to connect all the way back to Adam. Of course, ditto for the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, etc. etc. Relevant to nothing, some people think that J.R.R. Tolkien modeled his mythical Numenorians in small part after the Fir Bolg, with special connections between the northern and southern Fir Bolg landings in Ireland, and the northern and southern landings of the scattered fleet of Elendil in Middle- earth, after the Downfall. But that is a story of a different kind.... Darrell Darrell A. Martin working from web-based Earthlink mail darrellm@sprynet.com

I had to go to my main source for this. I knew nothing until this one was born when I was 23 and she has been my boss ever since. Well, actually I had others and they are all bossy but she knows the most as far history goes. I meant the "firblogs" who the people invading Ireland saw and dubbed "Leprechauns. She says she and I are not descended from the firblogs, but from the Melanesians. I kind of wanted a grandpa firblog in my line but you can't choose your ancestors. If you ask me, there are too darn many Gardners and if people had been forced to live alphabetically, as I would have suggested if I'd been around when people started getting surnames, there would never have been this confusion. My G-G-Grandmother was a Martin. Too many of them, too. Have I got ONE name in my ancestry that isn't a dime a dozen? How about Habmeyer? I've got that. Maybe they are a rare bird. Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darrell Martin" <darrellm@sprynet.com> To: <GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:50 PM Subject: [GARDNER] New England Gardners, Picts, and Scots > -------Original Message------- > From: Marilynn Masten <GardnerRus@carolina.rr.com> > Sent: 01/20/03 12:53 PM > To: GARDNER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GARDNER] DNA testing & New England Gardners > > > Well the connection is close if you consider 1,000 years close. But in DNAlanguage, I guess that's close. > > > > We NC Gardners had to come from somewhere unless we popped > > out of the ground like the Picts did when Ireland was first > > invaded, giving a basis to the tale of the Leprechaun. > > > > Marilynn > > Hi, Marilynn: > > There seems to be some confusion here. The Picts were in > Scotland, as early as the time of the Romans and Hadrian's Wall. > The Irish (called "Scots", Latin "Scotti") invaded Scotland, I > think (don't quote me!) about 800 or 900 AD. The Picts and the > Scots were united under Kenneth McAlpin about the turn of the > millenium (ditto don't quote me on the details). > > My GARDNER ancestors arrived in New England from Scotland in > 1773, settling in Ryegate, Vermont. The county in which they > put down their new roots is named Caledonia (the old name for > Scotland) from all the Scots in Ryegate, Barnet, and the nearby > towns in Vermont. > > So here is yet *another* "New England GARDNER line". > > Darrell > > > Darrell A. Martin > working from web-based Earthlink mail > darrellm@sprynet.com > > > ==== GARDNER Mailing List ==== > Until every victim's family is comforted > Until every terrorist is brought to justice > We will remember 9-11 -- List admin. darrellm@sprynet.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >