Our genealogy club held a very short workshop this afternoon, and books, The Great Migration Begins was featured. From what I gather, there ae three volumnes so far and cover the years 1620-1635...Vol. 2, G-O, had the following three men: Christopher Gardiner, Richard Gardiner and Thomas Gardner. I didn't get to look at the other volumes. Carol Lossing Klein

------------------------------------------------------ This is, I suppose, not strictly on topic, but what the heck. In my spare time from genealogy and (heaven forefend) work, I collect silversmith and jeweler's trade cards. One recently found, for a wedding jewelry maker in Sacramento CA, dated 1884, included the following list: Marriage Ages: In Austria -- 14 years for both sexes In Spain -- the man at 14, the woman at 12 In Russia -- the man at 18, the woman at 16 In Greece -- the man at 14, the woman at 12 In France -- the man at 18, the woman at 15 In Saxony -- the man at 18, the woman at 16 In Belgium -- the man at 18, the woman at 15 In Germany -- the man at 18, the woman at 14 In Switzerland -- The man at 14, the woman at 12 In Hungary: Catholics -- the man at 14, the woman at 12; Protestants -- the man at 18, the woman at 12. Worth keeping in mind when setting up potential problem searches and trying to make sense of old records. Wm Voss [email protected] ------------------------------------------------------

Let's get all of these NC Gardners collected in one place and see what comes of it. I, being a Gardner idiot (www.usroots.com/~gardners/index.html) volunteer. If it gets too big for me, I, being not THAT big an idiot, will then unvolunteer. Marilynn (aka HRH)----- Original Message ----- From: "phsmith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:50 PM Subject: [GARDNER] James GARDNER b 1776 NC > Searching for James Gardner born Cabarrus Co. NC, 1776 (then Mecklenburg > Co.). I need to know who his wife Mary was. I have the Bible records, but > of course it doesn't give her maiden name. This family was in NC through > the 1830 census then migrates to MS then to Henderson Co. TX by 1848. > > Cathi > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I am MARILYNN, not a Marilyn. Been fighting it all my life. Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "mms1453" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:01 PM Subject: [GARDNER] GARDNER/S > To the two Marilyns, Muriah, Charles, Mike...or other Gardners, > > With all of you and your queries re Thomas etal, I must sign in at this > appropriate time and tell you that my earliest GARDNER descendant is > Thomas, b circa 1811, possibly in Germantown, New York. He had 7 > children: Leonard; William, who died in Civil War; Martha; Mary; Ida; > Emma; and my GrGrGrandfather, Charles H. GARDNER, b ca 1828. > > Charles Gardner m. Catherine SCISM GARDNER. They had 10 children: > Wesley; Charles; Frank; Hannah; Elizabeth; Carrie; Minnie; Maude; Emma; > and my GrGrandfather Virgil GARDNER, b 1852. > > Virgil H.GARDNER m. Mary Elizabeth Rifenburgh GARDNER. They had one > child, my Grandmother, Stella Margaret GARDNER, b 1883. Virgil was Town > Clerk, Tivoli,NY, before he died ca 1908. > > I have made no connections beyond Thomas, but most of these relatives > seem to have lived a good deal of their lives in Columbia or Dutchess > Counties, New York. Thomas' wife, I believe, was Hannah Elizabeth HOVER > and they are both my "dead-ends". > > I also have surnames of many of the above siblings, but nothing that has > helped me...unless I do not know where to look...the most likely answer. > > I have Hunt's book on Town of Clermont, & it says that Virgil GARDNER > lived in a house built by Thomas GARDNER and that the house was a > milestone, 111 miles from New York! No dates. I have Henry Jones' two > volumes on Palatine families, Arthur Kelly's Settlers & Residents series > on Clermont & Germantown and Chuck Rivenburgh's book on descendants of > the Reiffenberg Family...and still am missing the "GARDNER connection". > Before the 'Net, I'd thought it to be an English name...but most of my > paternal surnames are German or Dutch. > > Forgive me for rambling a bit, but it appears this group is highly > active & informed!! In the one & a half years I've been online, I have > come across two distant cousins with GARDNER ties, but nothing beyond > Thomas. The LDS & Ancestry.com sites have come up zeros. I'd appreciate > even one little clue. IF..I have anything to share, I will! Thanks. > > Lynn Gardner Miller > > > Marilyn R Otterson wrote: > > > > Just want to mention that not all of Thomas "the Planter" Gardner's > > descendents went to the south in the Revolution. Some went to Maine, > > mine in particular. > > > > Marilyn in NH > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

oops MARILYNN sorry

Marilyn, I would like very much to be included in the Gardner research project that you have volunteered for......you're nuts by the way. Are you Marilyn Otterson or the other Marilyn? To: Marilyn Otterson, I too am part of the Maine Gardner's, but I have no proof other than my gr/grandfather Eugene F. Gardner was born there in 1845, his father was LEVI. Karen [email protected]

Marilynn, It is very generous of you to volunteer to compile a list of NC Gardners. That could have impressive results. Perhaps it will bring some interesting history to light. My Gardners moved from Nantucket to the Carolinas. It seems that they moved primarily as a group of Quakers, apparently as the result of the effect of one war, the Revolution, on their life on the island that was apparently based primarily on whaling, and moved directly to what became the midst of another war, the Civil War. It seems that that group converted a large multiple story home (plantation house?) into a type of hospital care facility and tended the wounded soldiers from nearby battlefields. Muriah _____ Marilynn Masten wrote: > Let's get all of these NC Gardners collected in one place and see what comes > of it. I, being a Gardner idiot (www.usroots.com/~gardners/index.html) > volunteer. If it gets too big for me, I, being not THAT big an idiot, will > then unvolunteer. > > Marilynn (aka HRH)----- Original Message ----- > From: "phsmith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:50 PM > Subject: [GARDNER] James GARDNER b 1776 NC > > > Searching for James Gardner born Cabarrus Co. NC, 1776 (then Mecklenburg > > Co.). I need to know who his wife Mary was. I have the Bible records, > but > > of course it doesn't give her maiden name. This family was in NC through > > the 1830 census then migrates to MS then to Henderson Co. TX by 1848. > > > > Cathi > > > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

My wife is from Blount Co, TN. She is kin to the Farr & Gardner families. Samuel Farr (b. 07-12-1793, Mecklenburg Co, NC, d. 05-02-1863, Webster Co, MO), m. 15-04-1817, Blount Co, TN, Elizabeth Boren (b. 04-03-1799, d. 16-09-1886, Blount Co, TN). I think there was another Samuel who ended up in Blount Co, TN. Elizabeth is the daughter of Elijah Boren & Elizabeth Beeson (well documented). Thomas Michael Gardner (b. 1787, d. 1869, Blount Co, TN), m. Elizabeth Kyle (b. 24-04-1786, Monroe Co, TN, d. abt. 1870, Blount Co, TN). Have not been able to make connections beyond that. There was also Thomas & Overstreet Crowder who migrated from NC to Monroe Co, TN (next to Blount Co). They go back to the Bartholomew Crowder in VA (pretty well documented). Can anyone help? Bob

Hello. I feel very confident that our Gardners are related. My John gardner was also in the same area of N.C.as yours. Here is this John Gardner's family: Solomon Gardner, b.15 feb.1821 d 6 Dec.,1908 Web Co.MO. 2 Jacob Gardner Monroe Co TN m Lucinda Worthy, TN John Gardner Ann Gardner Margaret Gardner Charlotte Gardner m a Gaston. The children were all born inTN. The first three or four married in TN These older Children had children born in Tenn before coming to MO. I believe at least some of these Gardner children ended up in TEXAS. There was a lot going on in NC when the Gardners, Farrs, Phiffers were there.Land was being bought and sold, showing many names we are familiar with. I do know that some of Ephraime Farr's child-ren moved down to Maryville, TN I don't know where John Gardner died, but he was not with the family when they moved to Missouri.. Thank you for any new material you might give me. I feel very sure that our families connect. Thank you. C.Todd [email protected]

To the two Marilyns, Muriah, Charles, Mike...or other Gardners, With all of you and your queries re Thomas etal, I must sign in at this appropriate time and tell you that my earliest GARDNER descendant is Thomas, b circa 1811, possibly in Germantown, New York. He had 7 children: Leonard; William, who died in Civil War; Martha; Mary; Ida; Emma; and my GrGrGrandfather, Charles H. GARDNER, b ca 1828. Charles Gardner m. Catherine SCISM GARDNER. They had 10 children: Wesley; Charles; Frank; Hannah; Elizabeth; Carrie; Minnie; Maude; Emma; and my GrGrandfather Virgil GARDNER, b 1852. Virgil H.GARDNER m. Mary Elizabeth Rifenburgh GARDNER. They had one child, my Grandmother, Stella Margaret GARDNER, b 1883. Virgil was Town Clerk, Tivoli,NY, before he died ca 1908. I have made no connections beyond Thomas, but most of these relatives seem to have lived a good deal of their lives in Columbia or Dutchess Counties, New York. Thomas' wife, I believe, was Hannah Elizabeth HOVER and they are both my "dead-ends". I also have surnames of many of the above siblings, but nothing that has helped me...unless I do not know where to look...the most likely answer. I have Hunt's book on Town of Clermont, & it says that Virgil GARDNER lived in a house built by Thomas GARDNER and that the house was a milestone, 111 miles from New York! No dates. I have Henry Jones' two volumes on Palatine families, Arthur Kelly's Settlers & Residents series on Clermont & Germantown and Chuck Rivenburgh's book on descendants of the Reiffenberg Family...and still am missing the "GARDNER connection". Before the 'Net, I'd thought it to be an English name...but most of my paternal surnames are German or Dutch. Forgive me for rambling a bit, but it appears this group is highly active & informed!! In the one & a half years I've been online, I have come across two distant cousins with GARDNER ties, but nothing beyond Thomas. The LDS & Ancestry.com sites have come up zeros. I'd appreciate even one little clue. IF..I have anything to share, I will! Thanks. Lynn Gardner Miller Marilyn R Otterson wrote: > > Just want to mention that not all of Thomas "the Planter" Gardner's > descendents went to the south in the Revolution. Some went to Maine, > mine in particular. > > Marilyn in NH > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Searching for James Gardner born Cabarrus Co. NC, 1776 (then Mecklenburg Co.). I need to know who his wife Mary was. I have the Bible records, but of course it doesn't give her maiden name. This family was in NC through the 1830 census then migrates to MS then to Henderson Co. TX by 1848. Cathi

>According to my family mythology, we were supposedly descendants from >Richard Gardner of the Mayflower. I was impressed with his bold signature >when >I saw it at the site on Cape Cod. I set out to get proof of our >relationship in >order to get one of the Mayflower Descendant Certificates for a relative, as a >gift. >After many hints that there was no trace of any descendants from that >seaman, I finally found historical notation of the time that Richard >Gardner of >the Mayflower died at sea never having married and without offspring, >according to records of the time and as far as was known by the people of >the time. > >The only Gardner that I find in the first decade of immigration from >England to America, the early 1600s, is the Thomas Gardner family with >sons John & >Richard. There is the Lyon Gardener family, but that is not Gardner. > >There is the family of a female L Gardner that seems to be separate from >those two immigrant families, and associated with Canada, but the immigration >data of that family seems to not be established and/or available, and may be a >later arrival. >Muriah Muriah Don't give up so quickly on Lion Gardiner and there is also a George Gardiner. I am descended from him. When his great grandchildren moved to Yates County in New York from Rhode Island they changed the spelling to Gardner and that is how it is spelled today. If you haven't already done so you should look at two books: "The Gardiners of Narraganset by Caroline Robinson" and "Lion Gardiner and his Descendents" by Curtiss C Gardiner. These are a very important resource for Gard(i)ner searchers. Mike Ruddy Mike

Heavenly days, we have NO idea where they came from--outer space we suspect. Anyhow, we've got no Levis going anywhere. We tend towards William, James, Thomas and Jeremiah--you know, unusual names like that. Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "westlund" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: Re: 1623 IMMIGRANT JOHN GARDNER Re: [GARDNER] John Gardner, Plymouth, Marshfield, MA 1600s > Marilyn.......do you have a Levi in your group going to Maine? [email protected] thanks > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

Muriah: Richard Gardiner was indeed at Plymouth for at least three years. He was a participant in the land division of 1623 and doesn't show up in the cattle division of 1627. The implication is that he was there somewhere between three and seven years. If a person can buy into the notion that Richard returned to England and he was lost at sea sometime over a twenty or so year time period, we can indeed overlook him. Like I stated earlier John Gardner can be descended from any Gardner family. All we have to do is look at Plymouth and the people that went through there in the 1620-1630 period. Plymouth was not an isolated place. I would suggest the Stratton book on Plymouth Colony. I did not state that John was descended from Richard Gardiner, but I did state that I would not overlook him. There have been recent lines established from Mayflower passengers. I'm not trying to establish a Mayflower line. You are listing two possible ancestral lines for John Gardner and no others. I think you'll find that the two lines you've suggested have been looked at already by a lot of people. I'm open-minded and the obvious isn't already wrong. If you want to reply to me off-line I will discuss it further. thanks, Charles >The obvious is wrong. > >According to my family mythology, we were supposedly descendants from >Richard >Gardner of the Mayflower. I was impressed with his bold signature when >I saw it >at the site on Cape Cod. I set out to get proof of our relationship in >order to >get one of the Mayflower Descendant Certificates for a relative, as a >gift. >After many hints that there was no trace of any descendants from that >seaman, I >finally found historical notation of the time that Richard Gardner of >the >Mayflower died at sea never having married and without offspring, >according to >records of the time and as far as was known by the people of the time. > >The only Gardner that I find in the first decade of immigration from >England to >America, the early 1600s, is the Thomas Gardner family with sons John & >Richard. There is the Lyon Gardener family, but that is not Gardner. > >There is the family of a female L Gardner that seems to be separate from >those >two immigrant families, and associated with Canada, but the immigration >data of >that family seems to not be established and/or available, and may be a >later >arrival. > >Muriah >_______________ > >charles brack wrote: > >> John Gardner did generate some records and that's the way I will try to find >> him. I may or may not be successful. >> >> If I were to try to tie him to another Gardner, I would go for the obvious, >> Richard Gardner, Mayflower seaman. >> >> John could have been an immigrant or he could have been born anywhere >> between what is now Maine and the southern region of what was then the >> Virginia Company. Too many Gardners to try to connect to. >> >> Charles >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: muriah <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:53 PM >> Subject: 1623 IMMIGRANT JOHN GARDNER Re: [GARDNER] John Gardner, Plymouth, >> Marshfield, MA 1600s >> >> >If I were researching this, I might first theorize and then research >> whether >> >this John Gardner is descendant or relative of John Gardner who came from >> >England to MA in 1623 with his father, Thomas Gardner, and family, and >> lived >> >first at Cape Ann and then Boston and then Nantucket and then the migration >> from >> >the island to Carolina during the war. >> >If not relative of that Immigrant, than perhaps of immigrant Lyon Gardner >> of >> >Gardner Island. >> >________ >> >> ============================== >> Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Marilyn.......do you have a Levi in your group going to Maine? [email protected] thanks

The obvious is wrong. According to my family mythology, we were supposedly descendants from Richard Gardner of the Mayflower. I was impressed with his bold signature when I saw it at the site on Cape Cod. I set out to get proof of our relationship in order to get one of the Mayflower Descendant Certificates for a relative, as a gift. After many hints that there was no trace of any descendants from that seaman, I finally found historical notation of the time that Richard Gardner of the Mayflower died at sea never having married and without offspring, according to records of the time and as far as was known by the people of the time. The only Gardner that I find in the first decade of immigration from England to America, the early 1600s, is the Thomas Gardner family with sons John & Richard. There is the Lyon Gardener family, but that is not Gardner. There is the family of a female L Gardner that seems to be separate from those two immigrant families, and associated with Canada, but the immigration data of that family seems to not be established and/or available, and may be a later arrival. Muriah _______________ charles brack wrote: > John Gardner did generate some records and that's the way I will try to find > him. I may or may not be successful. > > If I were to try to tie him to another Gardner, I would go for the obvious, > Richard Gardner, Mayflower seaman. > > John could have been an immigrant or he could have been born anywhere > between what is now Maine and the southern region of what was then the > Virginia Company. Too many Gardners to try to connect to. > > Charles > > -----Original Message----- > From: muriah <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:53 PM > Subject: 1623 IMMIGRANT JOHN GARDNER Re: [GARDNER] John Gardner, Plymouth, > Marshfield, MA 1600s > > >If I were researching this, I might first theorize and then research > whether > >this John Gardner is descendant or relative of John Gardner who came from > >England to MA in 1623 with his father, Thomas Gardner, and family, and > lived > >first at Cape Ann and then Boston and then Nantucket and then the migration > from > >the island to Carolina during the war. > >If not relative of that Immigrant, than perhaps of immigrant Lyon Gardner > of > >Gardner Island. > >________ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

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Just want to mention that not all of Thomas "the Planter" Gardner's descendents went to the south in the Revolution. Some went to Maine, mine in particular. Marilyn in NH ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

John Gardner did generate some records and that's the way I will try to find him. I may or may not be successful. If I were to try to tie him to another Gardner, I would go for the obvious, Richard Gardner, Mayflower seaman. John could have been an immigrant or he could have been born anywhere between what is now Maine and the southern region of what was then the Virginia Company. Too many Gardners to try to connect to. Charles -----Original Message----- From: muriah <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: 1623 IMMIGRANT JOHN GARDNER Re: [GARDNER] John Gardner, Plymouth, Marshfield, MA 1600s >If I were researching this, I might first theorize and then research whether >this John Gardner is descendant or relative of John Gardner who came from >England to MA in 1623 with his father, Thomas Gardner, and family, and lived >first at Cape Ann and then Boston and then Nantucket and then the migration from >the island to Carolina during the war. >If not relative of that Immigrant, than perhaps of immigrant Lyon Gardner of >Gardner Island. >________

Gerald: I'm still working on John Gardner and it is possible that he may be able to be traced, if I can find some court records. Charles -----Original Message----- From: Gerald P. Ring <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, June 11, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: RE: [GARDNER] John Gardner, Plymouth, Marshfield, MA 1600s