Rec'd your comments after sending my second message and want to respond to yours... Bear in mind the article I referred you to was written in 1999 and I agree it is a bit "testy" as you say, but it was (and is) a scary fact that "junk genealogy" is everywhere, which is what prompts me to climb on my soapbox. You are right that it is not limited to the internet, but it spreads so much farther and faster via this medium than did printed material. I agree with your second paragraph, totally, and moving on to the third, I also agree, but this is my point -- I don't see anyone "dealing with" the inaccurate, unproven, speculative information being presented as fact. If your offerings are proven - say so! and if not, say so, also. Please! I'll go quietly now. Lois

Lookup on James GARDNER, please thank you debbie wood History of Duchess County (NY), published by D. Mason & Co., Syracuse, NY, 1882 page 190 from the 'history of Tivoli - Madalin ........Saw, grist and plater mill, George Feroe and Co., (Montgomery Queen) in business three years, succeeding Cooper and Ham. This mill stands on the White Clay kill, and the property in its vicinity was once owned by the Schuyler family. The building which at one time occupied the site of the present mill, was built many years ago for a woolen factory, and for a number of years was run by Robert Lasher as lessee. A man of the name Hubbell, also a lessee, succeeded Lasher in the business. This factory did a conciderable business. About 1835, Nathan Parks purchased the property, and converted the factory into a grist-mill, and removed the dam from where it once stood to its present location above the bridge. The mill afterwards came into the possession of Henry Alkenbugh, and was desroyed by fire. It is said that he purchased the proper of John K. Feroe in 1857, and that the mill was burned about twenty years ago (see publishing date). After the lapse of some two or three years Alkenburgh built the present mill. Ozias Cooper was the next proprietor, then James Gardner bought from Cooper, then William Hann obtained possession, and at his death the estate sold the proper to George Feroe.

Marilynn wrote in part: > We, my Muttdom family, decided we refuse to be English. Hi: This is almost *guaranteed* to result in your Gardners coming from East Anglia, Kent, Oxfordshire, Sussex, Wessex, or Middlesex and having a coat of arms granted by Henry the Sixth. Which you will discover after years of frustrated searching, of course <big grin>. After a long enough time spent at a brick wall, even a traitorous expatriate with a legendary wart on his nose would begin to look "relatively attractive". So maybe you'll change your mind about the English.... Darrell descended from GARDNERs of the Scottish persuasion (also some English, French Canadian, Irish, Mohawk, Welsh) [email protected]

If you are requesting a lookup on James Gardner, do you want a list of all the James Gardners on record or is there a particular relative that you are interested in that may be associated with at least a time or place if not to other names. ____ David Klein wrote: > Lookup on James GARDNER, please > thank you > debbie wood > > History of Duchess County (NY), > published by D. Mason & Co., Syracuse, NY, 1882 > > page 190 > > from the 'history of Tivoli - Madalin > > ........Saw, grist and plater mill, George Feroe and Co., (Montgomery Queen) > in business three years, succeeding Cooper and Ham.

Okay Cousins, I have been properly chastised. However, I did not mean fall back and start your research over. I meant fall back and start these conversations over, interspersing an occasional "How do you know this?" "What is your source for this?" etc. I have yet to see anyone on this list ask another this kind of question. In another line, I have experienced "speculation" becoming "fact" and passed on to unsuspecting newcomers who spent untold hours trying to find proof of something that never existed. Lois (not X-file) Scully

That works, too! This is a third method of presenting the subject without using reply with the message being replied to. 1) Include a copy/paste portion of the subject issue, just enough to indicate the subject and/or issue (as just a clip of "whozit wrote: Coos Bay") 2) Refer to the subject of the response in the message (as "Coos Bay is....") 3) Indicate the subject in the subject line clearly (with Coos Bay in the subject line, in this case, there is no need for it to show anywhere in the body) (that works better for conveying the humor!) If those who have their email setting to exclude the message that they are responding would watch to see that they are providing the subject in one of these three areas, it is so much easier for the readers. ~Muriah~ ________ westlund wrote: > Lovely spot, if you're a seagull. > >

Forst Grove is a long way from Portland. It would take you several days to go there on foot or horseback, several hours by car at freeway speed on I5. It is just south of Eugene, mid-state, directly on I-5 westlund wrote: > Forest Grove is in Oregon near Portland. > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Well, I LIKED Coos Bay. Of course, I didn't live there. Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Seanette Blaylock" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [GARDNER] GARDNER/S >

Oklay, that is a good question and my solution is both. Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "muriah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: NC Gardners Re: [GARDNER] NC GARDNER > The question is how do you decide which of the Gardners is the one that you > are using as the one that is the beginning of the line of Gardners in NC. > You said that you move my line of Gardners out of the William pile into the > James pile, but it seems to me that the parents who came to NC (William) > before the birth of their son (James) would be the ones to start with. > > (> __________________ > >

RE: "John Gardner was lost at sea around New York Sate or on way back to England. James Gardner, John's son, was b. April 26, 1758 in Fishkill Township Duchess Co, NY Hi all, According to History of Duchess County, page 421, City of Pughkeepsie... Sample: Society of Friends. Numerous persons of this persuasion had settled in the County, mostly in the easter portion, before the Revolution, and a few had located in Poughkeepsie about the beginning of the present century. Prominent among these were the families of David and Benjamin Arnold, the former of whom was the father of William Arnold, the chair manufacturer, Levi McKeon, a wealthy but unsuccessful banker in Poughkeepsie at an early day, Isaac and Henry Powell, and _________ GARDNER, a sea captain. These were joined in the early part of the century by Zadock Southwick, who was for many years a prominent tanner.............. There are other references to the Gardner name and they are; Abial Isaac James Mary (Mrs. Milan Stedwell) References to the Garner spelling C. Louise Thomas William T. If any want a look up of the above names, I will gladly do so. Please email me privately, at: [email protected] --put Gardner, Duchess County in the subject line. I will then post the info on the list. Carol Lossing Klein [email protected]

I am sorry I have forgotten the web site, but I think you might be able to find it in Cindy's List. There is a website for New Brunswick queries. It connects you to some big library (again, I have forgotten becuase it was a couple of years ago that I queried there) in New Brunswick that will do a look-up for you, of one name. I was working on the possibility that one of my ancestors had come from there (one other researcher on the same guy thought so) and put my query on. I was answered, asked for my snail mail address, and a couple of weeks later received the information I wanted. ( My mystery man did not come from N.B. after all.) The problem is, however, is that you have to have some idea of the county, as I remember. Sorry I cannot be more specific, but it would be worth a try to search for N.B. info sites, or to try a rootsweb list for that province and see if you can get some help with your John. From the year that he was born, I suppose it might be possible that he was the son or grandson of a Gardner who went to Canada during or just before the Revolution as many people did.....just a thought. Hope you have some luck. Have you tried the rootsweb list MAINE-L......I have had some good help there. I have been looking through some of my Gardner info in regard to other surnames on Nantucket that married with my Gardner line. I just read about one Richard Pinkham who was b. in Nantucket in 1752, and died in Nova Scotia in 1830. He was a Quaker and was a blacksmith. He shipped out as a blacksmith on a whaling vessel and while enroute home from whaling in the north during the Revolution, his ship was taken by a British man of war, and Richard Pinkham, with two others (not named) was captured and impressed into the king's service. The British vessel sailed for Nova Scotia coast and anchored in Margaret's Bay, near Halifax. Pinkham and three others jumped overboard in the night and swam ashore. For over a week they hid on one of the islands, and finally reached the mainland. Knowing that some of the people of Nantucket had settled around Barrington, N.S., Richard and a companion named Coffin finally worked their way to that place where Richard settled, established a blacksmith shop, married, raised a familly with a Lydia Coffin who was also born on Nantucket. (From Pinkham Genealogical Notes prepared by John C. Chadbourne) Anyway, this is one way folks from Nantucket got to Canada. I am sure there were less adventurous ways some Gardners went from Nantucket and settled there.........maybe yours? Regards, Cousin Marilyn ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Muriah, Check out our Web Site. Marilynn----- Original Message ----- From: "muriah" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Migration stories - Re: [GARDNER] NC GARDNER - Generations Removed > Marilynn, > Where do you begin? The one who moved to NC or the one who born to him there? > > > Marilynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > ============================== > > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > > your heritage! > > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Lovely spot, if you're a seagull.

Here are my Gardners from the North: Henry GARDINER b. 1525 Jenynsbury, Hertford, England, d. 1564 m. 1550 Mary HAWARD b.1528, Jenynsbury, Hertford, England d. 1580. Michael GARDINER b. 1552 Greenford Maagna, Middlesex, England, d. 1630, m.1583 Margaret BROWNE b. 1562, Beaconsfield, Bucks, England, d. 1632. George GARDINER b. 1599 Greenford Magna, Middlesex, England, d. 1677, Newport RI, m. 1668 Sarah SLAUGHTER b. 1598, d. 1637 at sea on the Atlantic Ocean. Benoni GARDINER d. 1637 Middlesex, England, d. 1729 Washington RI, m. 1667 Mary GARDINER b. 1645, Kingston, Washington, RI, d. 1729. Nathaniel GARDINER b. 1673, RI, d. 1734 RI, m. 1705 Mary GARDINER b. 1677 RI, d. 1706. Benjamin GARDINER b. 1705 Washington RI, d. 1749 New London, CT. m. 1727, Mary HOWLAND b. 1710 Newport, RI. Benjamin GARDNER (notice the name spelling changed) b.1731, Washington RI, d. 1809 Rensselaer, NY, m. 1753 Elizabeth OLIN b. 1737, d. 1813 NY. Nathaniel Bryan GARDNER b. 1765 Washington RI, d. 1851 Erie, PA, m. 1786, NY, Hannah BRIGGS b. 1767, VT, d. 1847 Erie Co., PA. The following children: Margaret GARDNER, 1811 NY - 1878 Box Elder Co., UT, Hannah GARDNER, 1788 NY -1868 m. Chancey Griswald, Nathaniel GARDNER, 1791, NY - 1879 Washington, PA, m. 1813 Rhoda HAMMOND b. 1795 Johnstown, NY (son Perry GARDNER b. 1827 Erie, PA) Alva GARDNER 1794 NY - 1878 m. 1791 NY, Lemuel GREY, Diadame GARDNER 1795 NY, - 1867, Perry GARDNER (my husband g-g-grandfather) 1798 NY - 1864, PA m. 1821 Electa TILDEN 1802 - 1875 Erie Co., PA. Mary GARDNER 1801 NY d. 1801 NY, Olive GARDNER 1804 NY - 1805 NY, Charity GARDNER 1810 NY - 1866 m. 1827 Rustian SKELTON b. 1806 NY., Benjamin GARDNER 1800 NY - 1875 Box Elder, UT m. 1822, PA, Electa LAMPORT, Children are: Benjamin 1823, PA, Hanna 1824, PA, William 1827, Venago Co., PA, Belnda Sophia 1829, PA, Nathaniel Bradley 1830, PA, Mahala 1833, PA, Milo Van Dazen 1835, PA, Lucinda Sevella 1837, PA, Martha Belinda 1839, PA, Electa Ann 1842, PA, Joseph Smith 1847, Vernon, Vanburan, IA. Perry Green GARDNER (my husbands g-g-grandfather) b.1798 Johnstown, NY d. 1864, Erie Co., PA m. 1821, Electa TILDEN b. 1802, d.1875 Erie Co., PA. Children of this union are: Lenonard GARDNER 1827 NY, Elizabeth GARDNER 1830, NY, Maria GARDNER 1834, PA, Remington GARDNER 1840 PA, Barton GARDNER 1842 PA, Eveline GARDNER 1845 PA - 1922 (my husbands g-grandmother) m. 1878 Brazilia SMILEY 1840 PA - 1909 PA (Eveline's second marriage 1914 Samuel JONES) Children are: Bessie SMILEY 1879 PA (Grandmother) - 1970 PA, m. William BECKMAN 1865 - 1934 PA, Mary SMILEY 1885 - 1907 PA m. Frank ZILHAVER 1872 - 1929 PA. Joan Beckman

Read it and agree. But after over 40 years of research, most of it confined to the Gardners, I began to notice a pattern of researchers inquiring about the same people but not connected because they haven't found each other. I am assuming these Gardners who are sending their messages have done their homework and are those who have hit the proverbial brick wall. I am willing to organize any who have hit this brick wall and hope to forge some links. At one time I informed my Gardner/Garner family I would stay with OUR family and not go out on any other limbs. But since that time I have found some limbs floundering about who have been able, thru the net and a lot of hard work, to connect. My only desire is to try to help these Gardners connect. That is why I am limiting it to the south. And after 40 years, I sure don't want to start over! Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lois" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: [GARDNER] Suggestion > I strongly suggest that you all go to http://www.rootsweb.com/~vaaugust/cook.htm and read the article on Internet Genealogy, then "fall back and start over". > > Lois Gardner Scully > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Forest Grove is in Oregon near Portland.

Right on Darrell ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [GARDNER] Suggestion > Hi, all: > > The article on RootsWeb that was suggested for reading at the > beginning of this thread has many good points, but in my opinion it > makes three fundamental errors. First is the error in tone, which at > times seems much more testy than the situation warrants. Second is the > misunderstanding of what a query board or mailing list is all about. > Third is the assumption that the transmission of errors over time is a > new, Internet-specific, phenomenon. It is NOT. > > It is very important for any serious researcher, whether gathering > information for a family reunion or preparing for publication, to > properly document the sources of any statement. But one does not need > to adhere to standards set by NEHGS or TAG or any other group to be > involved in an online discussion. Once an interesting tidbit has > surfaced, *that* is the time to request the originator's evidence; and > yes, that question *should* be asked. Otherwise you might as well make > it all up. But you don't need to footnote your QUERIES, for heaven's sake. > > My vision for GARDNER-L is that it will be a community, focused on > finding out as much as possible about the family of folks who carry or > carried the surname GARDNER, however they came about it. There will be > a few off-topic posts, and some of the messages will be sloppy in > accuracy, spelling, even thought processes. Some of the queries will > confidently assert things that just ain't so. We can deal with those, > we are family here. We can share questions without slaving over the > format or citations, although clarity always helps. So keep asking, > and throw in what you heard from who-knows-where if you think it might > help. > > And when you have gathered whatever you can from this list, get > yourself to a library or Family History Center and *verify* it from > contemporary credible documents. Failure to do so puts you squarely in > the ranks of the gullible, or the careless. But whatever you do, > please don't start over <grin>. > > Darrell > GARDNER list admin > [email protected] > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Marion (or Marian) Gardner (or Gardiner) married Robert McNair about 24 October 1859 at New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland. Their son, William McNair was born about 18 July 1862 at New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland and married Sarah Shankland. This couple came to America in about 1885 with their older children. They settled in Bellville, Essex County, New Jersey and their younger children were born there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- The following from the 1881 Census: Dwelling: 6 Forsyth St Census Place: New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203696 GRO Ref Volume 651-1 EnumDist 15 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Robt. MC NAIR M 47 M Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coal Miner Marion MC NAIR (note: maiden name GARDNER) M 54 F Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Wm. MC NAIR 18 M Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Brass Finisher Elizabeth MC NAIR 21 F Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Worker In Cotton Mill John MC NAIR 7 M Lanark, Scotland ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- The following is from LDS: Robert MCNAIR Sex: M Marriage(s): Spouse: Marian GARDNER Marriage: 24 Oct 1859 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Source Information: Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type M116511 1855-1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE Sheet: William MCNAIR Sex: M Event(s): Birth: 18 Jul 1862 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Parents: Father: Robert MCNAIR Mother: Marion GARDNER Source Information: Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type C116511 1855-1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE Sheet: Margaret MCNAIR Sex: F Event(s): Birth: 20 Nov 1864 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Parents: Father: Robert MCNAIR Mother: Marion GARDNER Source Information: Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type C116511 1855-1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE Sheet: Marion MCNAIR Sex: F Event(s): Birth: 27 Dec 1867 New Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Parents: Father: Robert MCNAIR Mother: Marion GARDNER Source Information: Batch number: Dates Source Call No. Type Printout Call No. Type C116511 1855-1875 6035516 REGISTER Film NONE Sheet: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- If you know anything of this GARDNER or GARDINER family of Lanark, please contact me. Thanks! Fredreica [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bonnie Jean" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:37 AM Subject: [Fwd: [GARDNER] Francis Gardner/Lanarkshire Scotland] > Bonnie Jean wrote: > > > > KATE wrote: > > > > > > Hi All > > > > > > I am looking for any info on my Gardner family in Scotland. > > > > > > Francis Gardner b. 1831 Newton, Lanarkshire m. Janet Steven Whyte b. 12 > > > Oct 1834, married in Cambuslang, Lanark on 24 Oct 1856. > > > > > > Samuel b. 27 Nov 1856 > > > James Whyte b. 26 Sep 1858 > > > Francis b. 16 Jan 1861 > > > John W. b. 22 Oct 1863 > > > Elizabeth Sommerville b. 25 Feb 1866 > > > William b. 29 Apr 1868 > > > > > > After the death of Janet, Francis went on to marry Martha Marshall 30 > > > Dec 1870 in Rutherglen, Lanark > > > > > > Jennie Wright > > > Martha Marshall > > > Magdelene b. 09 Sep 1871 > > > Annie b. 17 Nov 1873 > > > Alexander b. 01 Aug 1877 > > > Samuel b. 1881 > > > > > > John W. immigrated to Yale Kansas, followed by Alexander. > > > > > > Does anyone know this family? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > -- > > > KATE > > > Indiana, USA > > > > > > > > > > Kate I feel there must be some connection here but I can't see it at the > > moment. Maybe someone else on the list can help us make a connection > > here. Here is what I have. > > > > . Henry Ellis Gardiner, born 1847; died December 1, 1901 in 33 Portland > > St. Hamilton, Scotland. He married (1) Sommerville Buchanan M. S. Law > > August 17, 1875. She was the daughter of John Law and Janet. > > > > Children of Henry Gardiner and Sommerville Law are: > > i. Henry Gardiner, born 1877. > > ii. Janet B. Gardiner, born 1879. > > iii. Mary W. Gardiner, born 1881. > > iv. Harry Gardiner, born 1882. > > v. John Gardiner, born 1884. > > vi. Richard Gardiner, born 1886. > > vii. Sommerville Gardiner, born 1887. > > viii. James Waterston Gardiner, born November 30, 1888; died February > > 28, 1907 in "Hebron" of consumption. > > ix. Alexander Millar Gardiner, born February 1, 1891 in 151 Quarry St. > > Hamilton Scotland; died December 18, 1949 > > > > Alexander Millar was my maternal grandfather. He was sent to Canada at > > age 14 as an orphan and I know nothing about his siblings or their > > descendants. I do have complete info on his descendants which I am > > willing to share if it is connected to your tree. > > --

How am I going to file an "unknown" Gardner? Marilynn ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2001 1:16 PM Subject: [GARDNER] Gardners/Hendersons---Ms/Tn/NC/Ark/Ky > I know almost nothing about the Gardners I am looking for I just discovered I > have them two months ago. They are related to my Henderson family from North > Carolina/Virginia but here goes: > > As they appear on the Tunica County Mississippi census 1900: > Fannie (Frances)Leigh (nee Henderson) Gardner > born Charlotte, NC abt 1853 > > (Fannie's parents were: Malinda nee Wimbish Henderson, b. Nov. 1829, > Virginia, died Tunica, October 5, 1905, buried Oakwood cemetery. Father: Dr. > Alexander Henderson, North Carolina. Son of Col. Pleasant Henderson) > > Fannies husband's first name "unknown" Gardner. He appears to be from > Tennessee. > > Children: Minnie (or Marie) Gardner, born 5/1873, Arkansas, parents > are from Tn and NC. She married a G.W. Roycroft, in 1902, Tunica County, Ms. > Children: Irma, b. 1903, Leslie (m) born ?, and Fannie L.H. born 1909 all in > Mississippi. > > Albert Gardner, born 3/1875, Arkansas same as above > > William W. Gardner, born 5/1877, Arkansas > > Henry H. Gardner, born 11/1880, Kentucky, > > Fannie Leigh Henderson Gardner must have remarried in Kentucky to a > man named Gray, she has a daughter on the 1900 census Linnie Gray, born > 3/1890, Kentucky, her father is from Kentucky, mother NC. > > Two other Gardners buried in Oakwood Cemetery, Tunica, Ms. > > Ruth Leigh Gardner, born 1902, Tunica, died 7/12/1905 > (could be daughter of H.A. Gardner and Cora) > > Herman Aubrey Gardner, b. 11/17, 1878, died Tunica, > 7/12/1905. I think he is the husband of Cora Gardner. > > I also have an Alexander Gardner that appears on the obit for my > ggrandfather John Wimbish Henderson in Tunica in 1933, as nephew. > > I'm open to any suggestions. > > Vicki > > > > > > > > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi list: Guess I better mention my GARDNER line, since everyone is adding their's. My husband's grandfather was Elliott Ethelred GARDNER, b. 1864, Harborne, Staffordshire, later Warwickshire, England, son of William and Martha HARRISON GARDNER. He came to Philadelphia in 1892, worked as a jeweler, and attended Medical School at Temple University. He married Marion Jane BLYTHE in 1894, in Philadelphia, and came to Baltimore, Maryland to finish school and get his degree. He practised medicine in Baltimore and Deale, Maryland and died in 1938. I have his grandparents traced in England - Joseph GARDNER 1795-1852 and Hannah ROBBINS 1807-aft1851, but have gotten no farthur back. Anybody see a connection? Mary Jean