Becky, As far as collecting a pension goes, it doesn't matter where the man lived when he enlisted, where he died, or where his widow lived. She could have filed a request for a widow's pension in AL, or in another state, if she moved elsewhere. My ancestor served from AL, moved to LA, and collected a soldier's pension for a very short time, then his widow received the widow's pension until her death. The problem would be determining what state she may have filed with. It was after 1880 before they began awarding CSA pensions, but I would be surprised that she wouldn't try to collect it. I'm sure everyone in the South knew about the program back then. Maybe she also died before they were set up? I don't know if remarriage would effect her eligibility or not. Your Cardens are like my Spencer and Anna Young--they are in the Witness Protection Program!! Janell > [Original Message] > From: becky <rec@hiwaay.net> > To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/6/02 11:41:17 AM > Subject: [GAPIKE] Re: Need Ex pet Advice > > Janell, > You asked about a pension! > > I tried that, and inquired about a pension when I was trying to find info on his service during the Civil War. > > The Alabama Archives, said, they had no record of a pension request being filed for him. > > He died around Atlanta, so I don't know whether one would have been filed for Ga., but his wife Nancy, was in Al. until 1880, that we know of. We don't know where she went after that, or where she is buried. > > Again thank you for your help, and if you come up with any more ideas of where to look let me know. > > Thank you, Becky Carden > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- jjg6808@earthlink.net --- Genealogists--We Confuse the Dead & Irritate the Living !

William Perkins was b. 1818 GA d. 1892 Pike Co. married Nancy Jane Watson b. 1820 N.C. d.1896 Pike Co. received 80 acre Lot 157 Dist. 2 from Spencer Stamper by Administrtive Deed executed Nov. 7, 1859 recorded Book T page 317 Also received 190acres Lot 162 Dist. 2 from Sarah Perkins by Admin. Deed executed March 7, 1859 Book L page 370 Sarah Perkins Estate notice was posted B2 Page 77: Order Jan. 11, 1858 B2 Page 104 Trying to deternine if Sarah was William's mother and was Stamper related or an Ordinary executing the deed for the estate? Any help determining parents, or siblings of William would be greatly appreciated. Mitchell Perkins

Hi Doris, Believe me if it does, this group, and the Carden group, will be the first to know!! You know how these Carden's, and McLeod's, have given us fits!! Becky

Janelle, You asked about a pension! I tried that, and inquired about a pension when I was trying to find info on his service during the Civil War. The Alabama Archives, said, they had no record of a pension request being filed for him. He died around Atlanta, so I don't know whether one would have been filed for Ga., but his wife Nancy, was in Al. until 1880, that we know of. We don't know where she went after that, or where she is buried. Again thank you for your help, and if you come up with any more ideas of where to look let me know. Thank you, Becky Carden

Barbara, Thanks for the information on the maps. I'll have to investigate this! Janelle, Oh yes, I'm on several mailing lists, including the Carden mailing list at rootsweb, and no one on there has been able to find who he belongs to. Some feel, he has to belong to either a John Carden, or a David Carden in Pike Co., and seems as if there has to be a connection to the Andrew Jackson Carden, that he bought this land from 1839, but we just can't find any documentation! Yes, I have the regiment he was in during the Civil War, and there were two more Carden's listed for Hillard's Legion, and we thought this was a lead, but don't think they connect. I've posted to every message board I can think of, and I've joined every mailing list that I thought would help, but to no avail! I just don't know where else to look. Since I don't know who he belonged to, I don't know who his brothers or sisters were, or if he even had any. I was hoping when I got the marriage license it might have the parents names, but that didn't help. I'm just at a dead end, and I just hate to give up! Thanks for trying to help! Becky Carden

has anyone come across any dubenion from meansville and thomaston .around the early eighteen hundred..Charles, Henry !! > [Original Message] > From: DK <nightdove@prodigy.net> > To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: 6/5/2002 1:17:33 AM > Subject: Re: [GAPIKE] Welcome New Members > > Lynn, > Do you happen to have Ebenezer Methodist Church cemetery? I believe it > is in Meansville, or close to The Rock. I would love to see it, and > also - if you have it - Beulah Baptist Church in Lifsey Springs cemetery. > Thank you. > God bless... > DK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lynn B. Cunningham" <lcunnin1@bellsouth.net> > To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:57 PM > Subject: [GAPIKE] Welcome New Members > > > > We have several new members to our Pike County list. I would like to > welcome them and encourage each to post their queries or reports. > > > > Also, I will post various, smaller, cemeteries as I as I have time to > type them up from the old Pike County Cemetery list that has never been > published. This list is incomplete, since the cemeteries were transcribed > in the early 1970's, but it is better than nothing. I have completed a > couple of the larger cemeteries, and I will send those to Virginia Crilley > to put on the archives site as they are too large to send via e-mail. > > > > -Lynn > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002 > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Emory Dubenion --- mreduben@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet.

Becky, Have you looked for a message board devoted to the surname Carden on either Rootsweb or GenForum? Many of the surname boards also have mailing lists, and I've found some people searching for the same families as mine in this way. Have you posted to GenForum boards? GenCircles has info on lots of different families too, and I've searched for lost ancestors there. Do you have a list of his siblings? If so, try looking for one of them that lived longer, left more records. There is a Civil War board for AL, and that could possibly bring some answers. Several of the various well known Civil War units have their own web sites, and maybe a cousin or brother was also in Hillard's Legion. Do you have the regiment and company he was in? Do you have a pension request form for his wife? If she filed one, they contain a wealth of info, though his parents names are not likely. It should tell you where he was born though, so you could search for census reports just about that time in that county looking for candidates for his folks. Just some ideas of things I have tried that have worked at times for me! Good Luck! Janell ----- Original Message ----- From: "becky" <rec@hiwaay.net> To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: [GAPIKE] Re: Need some expert advice! > Hello everyone, > I need some advice, from all you genealogy experts! > > I have an ancestor, O.H.R. Carden, or sometimes he's listed as Owen N.K. Carden. > > I know he was born in 1820 in Ga., and I know he bought land from an Andrew Jackson Carden in Pike Co. Ga., in 1839. I know he married Nancy McLeod in 1843 in Pike Co. Ga., and I know they were listed in the 1850 census. > > I know they left Pike Co. Ga., and after 1854, when Nancy's, we believe father, Alexander McLeod died, who was in Pike Co. Ga. also. > > I know he died in 1862 in the Civil War, serving with Hillard's Legion. > > What I do not know, is who his parents were, and I've been looking for going on three years, and I have yet to find any info on who they were. > > I have a copy of his marriage license, and I have a copy of Alexander McLeod's will, and I have copies of the records of the land transactions between he and Andrew Jackson Carden, and I have some info from the Alabama archives on his service during the Civil War. > > Can anyone advice, me where to look, to try and determine who is parents were? > > I've posted to all the message boards, that I can think of, and I haven't had any luck on finding who his parents were. > > Also, another question, if I went to the Court House in Zebulon, and gave them the info on the land deeds, could they tell me where his land was located, or if I posted that info on here, is there anyone that could tell me? > > Thanks for any advice or help that anyone can give me, I'm desperate!! > > Becky Carden, rec@hiwaay.net > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Billie, I am curious as to what you meant by "The Rock" GA. Is that the name of a cemetery, or some geological feature? I'm stumped. Janell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Billie Ford" <BFORD@MO-NET.COM> To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: [GAPIKE] Need name of Cemetery? > I have visited The Rock Ga. twice in the last three years and am still > trying to learn the name of a very neglected cemetery located on PIEDMONT > ROAD, was formerly located in Pike CO.GA. Is now in Lamar CO.Ga. This > Cemetery is located about 3 miles West of "The Rock" on Piedmont Road, on > the right hand side of the road just after crossing a low water bridge. > There is no sign or name posted, but there is a drive way of about 25 foot > and a chain hangs between a very old tree that some one has painted with an > orange stripe It crosses the drive so one can not enter . This Cemetery is > very over grown and much neglected with graves and stones located in the > brush, a complete disgrace to whom ever is suppose to be in charge of it's > maintenance. This matter should be made aware of,to some one that is in > authority. If I lived in the area, I would clean it up and try to take care > of it. I am thoroughly amazed that it has been left to fall in to the shape > it is in. There is another Cemetery and Church located about 1/4 mile on > down Piedmont Road , on the same side of Piedmont and The Rock Road. (MT. > ZION BAPTIST CHURCH AND CEMETERY) I am wondering if the neglected Cemetery > was the original MT.ZION BAPTIST CHURCH AND CEMETERY? I would appreciate any > help with this offending matter. Thank You, Billie Ford. > > Billie Ford > bford@mo-net.com > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Lynn, Thank you very much! God bless... DK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn B. Cunningham" <lcunnin1@bellsouth.net> To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [GAPIKE] Cemeteries in Pike/Lamar > I can help you on this one! Go to the following URL: > > http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/lamar/cemeteries/ > > There are six files there: > > lamar001.txt > lamar002.txt > lamar003.txt > lamar004.txt > lamar005.txt > lamar006.txt > > lamar001.txt has the master list of cemetery names (including Ebenezer) then the names beginning in alpha order and are referenced back to the cemeteries which are numbered. > > Please remember that Lamar County did not exist until 1920 and was formed from a part of Pike County. So you may have relatives who lived in Pike all their lives, were buried in Pike, and ended up in a Lamar County cemetery! > > -Lynn > > > DK wrote: Lynn, Do you happen to have Ebenezer Methodist Church cemetery? I believe it is in Meansville, or close to The Rock. I would love to see it, and also - if you have it - Beulah Baptist Church in Lifsey Springs cemetery. > Thank you. God bless... DK --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

Hello everyone, I need some advice, from all you genealogy experts! I have an ancestor, O.H.R. Carden, or sometimes he's listed as Owen N.K. Carden. I know he was born in 1820 in Ga., and I know he bought land from an Andrew Jackson Carden in Pike Co. Ga., in 1839. I know he married Nancy McLeod in 1843 in Pike Co. Ga., and I know they were listed in the 1850 census. I know they left Pike Co. Ga., and after 1854, when Nancy's, we believe father, Alexander McLeod died, who was in Pike Co. Ga. also. I know he died in 1862 in the Civil War, serving with Hillard's Legion. What I do not know, is who his parents were, and I've been looking for going on three years, and I have yet to find any info on who they were. I have a copy of his marriage license, and I have a copy of Alexander McLeod's will, and I have copies of the records of the land transactions between he and Andrew Jackson Carden, and I have some info from the Alabama archives on his service during the Civil War. Can anyone advice, me where to look, to try and determine who is parents were? I've posted to all the message boards, that I can think of, and I haven't had any luck on finding who his parents were. Also, another question, if I went to the Court House in Zebulon, and gave them the info on the land deeds, could they tell me where his land was located, or if I posted that info on here, is there anyone that could tell me? Thanks for any advice or help that anyone can give me, I'm desperate!! Becky Carden, rec@hiwaay.net

I can help you on this one! Go to the following URL: http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/ga/lamar/cemeteries/ There are six files there: lamar001.txt lamar002.txt lamar003.txt lamar004.txt lamar005.txt lamar006.txt lamar001.txt has the master list of cemetery names (including Ebenezer) then the names beginning in alpha order and are referenced back to the cemeteries which are numbered. Please remember that Lamar County did not exist until 1920 and was formed from a part of Pike County. So you may have relatives who lived in Pike all their lives, were buried in Pike, and ended up in a Lamar County cemetery! -Lynn DK wrote: Lynn, Do you happen to have Ebenezer Methodist Church cemetery? I believe it is in Meansville, or close to The Rock. I would love to see it, and also - if you have it - Beulah Baptist Church in Lifsey Springs cemetery. Thank you. God bless... DK

I don't know if there is a fence. I cannot tell from the road, but I will ask. One of the Historical Society members has property that backs up to this piece of land and he will be keeping an eye on what is done there. I've seen these folks work down here tho, and you would be surprised at what they will do to get away with covering one over. I will try to keep y'all up to date on what happens and rest assured we do have an eye on the situation. Just thought there might be some Simmons who would want to make inquiries that would have more pull than the Society. Menawhile I will see what other information I can garner about the property, the developer and his plans for the entire piece. They bought a fair size tract and plan to subdivide it into 5 pieces I think. I would expect they would have trouble selling the piece containing the cemetery. I'll keep y'all up to date. Steph

I have visited The Rock Ga. twice in the last three years and am still trying to learn the name of a very neglected cemetery located on PIEDMONT ROAD, was formerly located in Pike CO.GA. Is now in Lamar CO.Ga. This Cemetery is located about 3 miles West of "The Rock" on Piedmont Road, on the right hand side of the road just after crossing a low water bridge. There is no sign or name posted, but there is a drive way of about 25 foot and a chain hangs between a very old tree that some one has painted with an orange stripe It crosses the drive so one can not enter . This Cemetery is very over grown and much neglected with graves and stones located in the brush, a complete disgrace to whom ever is suppose to be in charge of it's maintenance. This matter should be made aware of,to some one that is in authority. If I lived in the area, I would clean it up and try to take care of it. I am thoroughly amazed that it has been left to fall in to the shape it is in. There is another Cemetery and Church located about 1/4 mile on down Piedmont Road , on the same side of Piedmont and The Rock Road. (MT. ZION BAPTIST CHURCH AND CEMETERY) I am wondering if the neglected Cemetery was the original MT.ZION BAPTIST CHURCH AND CEMETERY? I would appreciate any help with this offending matter. Thank You, Billie Ford. Billie Ford bford@mo-net.com

Is there any one out there that can tell me where Robert M. Ford a Civil War Veteran, born 8/15/1841, enlisted in CO. K, 5th Ga., discharged 5/1865, died 4/05/1908 Thomaston Ga. He was married to Sarah A. Barrow Dec. 02, 1866, Pike Co. Ga. They were Methodist , so I believe they are buried in a Methodist Cemetery. Robert and Sarah had the following children. Clifford T. Married to Pernelia (Borders)? Pike Co. Ga. 1889. Robert M. Jr. Sallie P. Josephine A. Clifford T. and Pernelia ? had the following children. Clifford T. Jr. John, Thomas, Lizzie, Carl, Edward. The last census I have for these people was 1900, Upson Co. Ga. FHL microfilm #1240226, E.D. 104,sheet 25 line 11 page 140A. Thanks in advance for any information you may wish to share. Billie Ford. Billie Ford bford@mo-net.com

I am looking for information on my Allen family from Pike Co., Ga. I am from Greenberry Allen. He was born about 1826 in SC. Greenberry is on the 1850 census in Monroe Co., Ga. with his mother Nancy and siblings, Jefferson Allen, Morse Allen, Edmond S. Allen. His mother Nancy was from Va. Greenberry was in Pike Co., Ga. in 1860 and 1870 and had moved to Meriweather Co., Ga. by 1880. Greenberry married Mary Nicholson Martin, Feb. 8, 1852 in Monroe Co., Ga. Does anyone have information on this family? Thanks, Linda

Lynn, Do you happen to have Ebenezer Methodist Church cemetery? I believe it is in Meansville, or close to The Rock. I would love to see it, and also - if you have it - Beulah Baptist Church in Lifsey Springs cemetery. Thank you. God bless... DK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn B. Cunningham" <lcunnin1@bellsouth.net> To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 9:57 PM Subject: [GAPIKE] Welcome New Members > We have several new members to our Pike County list. I would like to welcome them and encourage each to post their queries or reports. > > Also, I will post various, smaller, cemeteries as I as I have time to type them up from the old Pike County Cemetery list that has never been published. This list is incomplete, since the cemeteries were transcribed in the early 1970's, but it is better than nothing. I have completed a couple of the larger cemeteries, and I will send those to Virginia Crilley to put on the archives site as they are too large to send via e-mail. > > -Lynn --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

Thank you, Margaret. Very interesting indeed. God bless... DK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey@worldnet.att.net> To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: [GAPIKE] History of Georgia > This is a very interesting web page. > http://georgiahistory.i-found-it.net/timeline.html > > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, TX --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/2002

Wow! Lanny, this has more intermarriages between first cousins than I have ever run across. Thanks for the breakdown, although it makes it more difficult to track which groups of kids belong to which parents--so many Pyron grandkids! Janell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lanny Cauthen" <lcauthen@mindspring.com> To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [GAPIKE] Re: Abraham S. Allen ? - Allen Family Cemetery > I am a Pyron descendant and have several instances of the Pyrons and Allens > being related. > > William Pyron, son of Charles Pyron who died in Jackson Co., Ga. about 1823, > was born on Feb. 10, 1770 in Va. and died in Greene Co., Ga. on Sept. 29, > 1853. William's first wife was Martha Allen who was born July 28, 1780 and > died on Oct. 8, 1815. Martha was the daughter of Drury Allen and Elizabeth > Yarbrough. Children of William and Martha were: Susanna Pyron, Drury Pyron, > Lewis Pyron, Charles Allen Pyron, Josiah Hicks Pyron, Martha Pyron, > Elizabeth Pyron, and Nancy Pyron. After the death of Martha Allen Pyron, > William married Mrs. Elizabeth Browning Allen, widow of Josiah Allen, his > brother-in-law. William and Elizabeth had one child: Emily Pyron. > > Martha Pyron, the sixth child of William Pyron and Martha Allen, was born > abt. 1814 and married her cousin Stephen Allen, son of Stokes Allen and > Susan Fouche. Martha and Stephen were married in Greene Co., Ga. on June > 14, 1830. > > William Pyron's brother was James Pyron who was born May 25, 1776 and died > on Dec. 11, 1820. James was married to Lucy Johnson, and they lived in > Jackson Co., Ga. James and Lucy's daughter Nancy Pyron married her first > cousin Charles Allen Pyron, son of William Pyron and Martha Allen. Another > daughter Rachel Pyron married Drury Pyron in Jackson Co. in Dec. of 1822. A > third daughter of James and Lucy named Martha Pyron married Pleasant J. > Allen in Greene Co., Ga. on June 11, 1832. Pleasant was the son of Josiah > Allen and Elizabeth Browning. Elizabeth Browning Allen later became the > wife of Martha Pyron's uncle William Pyron. > > Lanny Cauthen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margaret McCleskey" <mamccleskey@worldnet.att.net> > To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 9:13 PM > Subject: Re: [GAPIKE] Re: Abraham S. Allen ? - Allen Family Cemetery > > > > Janell, > > > > The will of Drewry Allen names these children: Josiah, Clement, Stokes, > Young D., > > and Nancy. It also names grandchildren with the surname "Pyron" which > would imply > > to me a daughter who married a man named Pyron. Is son, Stokes, Abraham > Stokes > > Allen? I don't know. > > > > The will names these children of Josiah Allen who was already deceased > when the will > > was written: Pleasant, Young D., Barbara, Robert (probably yours) and > Polly > > (probably my Mary Ann). > > > > Son, Clement, must have been deceased also, because the will names his > wife, Nancy. > > > > The will also names these slaves: Leath, Ferebe, Mack, Hagar, Cheny, > Sherwood, Big > > Hannah, Isaac, Caleb, Charlotte, Dido, Delt, Drury, Lack, Joe, John, > Penny, Booker, > > Dinah, Winnie and Elleck. > > > > Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, TX > > > > Janell wrote: > > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > Does anyone on this list know the father of Abraham Stokes > Allen, born > > > 1811? I'm interested in whether he could be a child of Drewry Allen, > and > > > therefore an uncle of "my" Mary Ann Allen, b. 1824, daughter of Robert > A. > > > Allen. I do not have a list of Drewry's children, but would love to > have > > > that data if someone could share. Thanks, > > > Janell > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Lynn B. Cunningham" <lcunnin1@bellsouth.net> > > > > To: <GAPIKE-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 8:09 PM > > > > Subject: [GAPIKE] Allen Family Cemetery > > > > > For those who are working on Allen's in Pike County, this is the > > > > > transcription of the Allen Family Cemetery done by Jack Morgan on 26 > May > > > > > 1972: > > > > > > > > > > Allen Family Cemetery > > > > > > > > > > Allen, William Arthur, b. Nov. 10, 1872, d. Oct. 17, 1885 > > > > > Allen, Drewery Stephens, b. March 31, 1846, d. Aug. 27, 1880 > > > > > Allen, Mrs. Elizabeth, b. April 29, 1815, d. Nov. 11, 1902, She was > the > > > > > second wife of Capt. A.S. Allen > > > > > Allen, Abraham Stokes, b. Sept. 24, 1811, d. July 3, 1893 > > > > > Allen, Martha C., b. May 13, 1818, d. Sept. 24, 1857, Consort of > Abraham > > > > > S. Allen & second daughter of John & Elizabeth Marshall > > > > > Allen, Infants, No Dates, Two daughters of A. S. & Martha Allen > > > > > Reid, Infant, Born & Died Aug. 13, 1852, Son of Robert V. & Virginia > T. > > > > > Reid > > > > > > > > > > -Lynn > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

This is a very interesting web page. http://georgiahistory.i-found-it.net/timeline.html Margaret McCleskey, Arlington, TX

FYI THe cemetery at Reidsboro Rd and Williamson/Zebulon Rd--I think it is the Simmons family-has been bought by a developer. Interested family members might want to keep an eye on what happens there in the near future. The sign marking the cemetery has already been taken down. Stephanie