In a message dated 7/10/02 2:37:39 PM Central Daylight Time, rick81348@yahoo.com writes: > my ggggg grandfather dempsey tyner(tiner) worked for james vann Just a curious question? I have 2 sisters, one married a Tyner, the other married a Tiner. They have never thought about their names just being variations of the same name. Wonder which came first? Does anyone know? Wylene