Considering the time period, it would be very unlikely to have two Ralph Ellisons in the county at the same time, unless they were closely related, such as father and son, or close cousins. If the 1840 census only shows one Ralph Ellison, I would consider him to be the signer. Of course, the 1840 census doesn't give you the children's names, but if your Ralph and the listed children were listed in subsequent Murray County census, I would feel pretty confident on using the petition as an additional source. It might be worthwhile for you to search next a microfilm of Murray County Superior Court minutes in the earliest days of the formation of the county. As I recall, there were some cases involving disputes and incidences of violence between parties who had had disputes around the time of the removal. It may be a long shot, but we are talking about an era where there were only a handful of white settlers already inside the Cherokee Nation before the removal, which brought an influx of new settlers. The microfilms are at Dalton Regional Library (also called Northwest Georgia Regional Library). Also, some LDS centers probably have the microfilm or will rent it cheaply for you if you locate it in the LDS catalog. Other large libraries or good history/research libraries might also have these. It is time-consuming to search them--I can't remember if they are indexed in any way. D.K. Pritchett Visit Southern Muse: http://www.southernmuse.com --- Lldurham@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 8/30/02 9:24:27 PM, > jcdeben@vvm.com writes: > > << Thanks to Leo for posting the petition. Was the > Ralph Ellison mentioned > in > the petition the father of Carolyn Ellison who > married Drury F. Hall? They > had three children: Martha Jane Hall, Thomas > Randolph Hall, and a son > Joseph A. W., who was called Whit. (pronounced with > a short i - like in > it). Carolyn Ellison was b ca 1832 in GA. She > married Drury Flurrow Hall > on 20 Sept 1849, Murray co GA. She died when the > children were young. The > census lists them in Holly Springs. Jane Debenport > >> > > Jane, except for John and Ambrose McGhee I know > nothing of the signers. Wish > > I could help. I would say, though, that unless there > was anothr Ralph > Ellison > hanging out in Murray CO in that time period, this > would be a good bet for > you. > > Leo > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com > http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: > GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Am searching for information concerning Harriett Cassandra Noblett and/or Alexander Stephen Talley. They married Feb. 9, 1868. She is the daughter of Isaac Noblett and Martha Pope. Harriett died 1878, but I'm not sure where. I'm thinking she died in Georgia, perhaps around Dalton. Any help is appreciated. Lynette

Thank you for the reply, Leo. Jane

In a message dated 8/30/02 9:24:27 PM, jcdeben@vvm.com writes: << Thanks to Leo for posting the petition. Was the Ralph Ellison mentioned in the petition the father of Carolyn Ellison who married Drury F. Hall? They had three children: Martha Jane Hall, Thomas Randolph Hall, and a son Joseph A. W., who was called Whit. (pronounced with a short i - like in it). Carolyn Ellison was b ca 1832 in GA. She married Drury Flurrow Hall on 20 Sept 1849, Murray co GA. She died when the children were young. The census lists them in Holly Springs. Jane Debenport >> Jane, except for John and Ambrose McGhee I know nothing of the signers. Wish I could help. I would say, though, that unless there was anothr Ralph Ellison hanging out in Murray CO in that time period, this would be a good bet for you. Leo

Thanks to Leo for posting the petition. Was the Ralph Ellison mentioned in the petition the father of Carolyn Ellison who married Drury F. Hall? They had three children: Martha Jane Hall, Thomas Randolph Hall, and a son Joseph A. W., who was called Whit. (pronounced with a short i - like in it). Carolyn Ellison was b ca 1832 in GA. She married Drury Flurrow Hall on 20 Sept 1849, Murray co GA. She died when the children were young. The census lists them in Holly Springs. Jane Debenport

I am trying to find out about my Wilson family. I saw a message you sent about Nancy Wilson marrying Ginn W. Isham in Murray Co. on Aug. 27, 1867. My gggrandfather, Edward Wilson b. 1827, had a daughter, Nancy Jane Wilson b. abt. 1850. Could this be the same Nancy. If so, I would like to know if there is any more info about her family. Could you please provide any thing you have about this. Thanks Mike Wilson

Thank you very much. Joan Griffin Rusk Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "joan and norm rusk" <jgrnlr@msn.com> To: <GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MURRAY] DONALDSON > Sherry, > > Could you please tell me how to find more information on the Cherokee Land > Lottery? > > Thank you, > > Joan Griffin Rusk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sherry L. Hamby > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:21 AM > To: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MURRAY] DONALDSON > > Hello, I have recently joined this list. I am researching the > Balis/Baylis/Balus (etc) DONALDSON family (b 1813 SC, d 1896 AL). He > married Nancy Katherine WILLIAMS (b 1811 NC, d 1878 AL). > They are listed in the Murray Co GA censuses of 1840 and 1850. Balis is > also listed as a winner in the 1832 Cherokee Land Lottery in the 9th > district, 2nd section. His residence at the time of that lottery is listed > as Gwinnett Co. > In the Murray County Heritage book, he is listed as a trustee in 1848 of the > Methodist campground of Ebenezer church. > > They had 12 children, Amanda Martha, James B. Zackus, John Madison, Mary > Arena, Daniel Vinson, Jefferson Taylor, Wilson B., Wiley Baxter, Claricy E., > Joab Umphrey, Columbus F C, and William Newton. Most of these were born in > Georgia, presumably in Murray Co as most born in 1840s and early 1850s. > I am related to Balis and Nancy through their son Wiley Baxter (aka Doc or > Bean). > The family moved to northern Alabama by 1860. Balis and Nancy and many of > their children died in Alabama. > > I have seen references to Murray Co marriage records that mention some of > these people on this list and would like to know how I might access those. > Am interested in any other info on this family, especially, of course, info > about Balis' or Nancy's parents. In 1840 Balis is listed next to a man > named James Donaldson who is old enough to be his father. > > Thanks! > Sherry Hamby > slhamby@carolina.net > > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Thanks Sherry for listing those two interesting sites although they weren't directed to me. Chris L.

Try: http://www.accessgenealogy.com/georgia/landlottery http://ngeorgia.com/history Both are free Sherry ----- Original Message ----- From: "joan and norm rusk" <jgrnlr@msn.com> To: <GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [MURRAY] DONALDSON > Sherry, > > Could you please tell me how to find more information on the Cherokee Land > Lottery? > > Thank you, > > Joan Griffin Rusk > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Sherry L. Hamby > Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:21 AM > To: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MURRAY] DONALDSON > > Hello, I have recently joined this list. I am researching the > Balis/Baylis/Balus (etc) DONALDSON family (b 1813 SC, d 1896 AL). He > married Nancy Katherine WILLIAMS (b 1811 NC, d 1878 AL). > They are listed in the Murray Co GA censuses of 1840 and 1850. Balis is > also listed as a winner in the 1832 Cherokee Land Lottery in the 9th > district, 2nd section. His residence at the time of that lottery is listed > as Gwinnett Co. > In the Murray County Heritage book, he is listed as a trustee in 1848 of the > Methodist campground of Ebenezer church. > > They had 12 children, Amanda Martha, James B. Zackus, John Madison, Mary > Arena, Daniel Vinson, Jefferson Taylor, Wilson B., Wiley Baxter, Claricy E., > Joab Umphrey, Columbus F C, and William Newton. Most of these were born in > Georgia, presumably in Murray Co as most born in 1840s and early 1850s. > I am related to Balis and Nancy through their son Wiley Baxter (aka Doc or > Bean). > The family moved to northern Alabama by 1860. Balis and Nancy and many of > their children died in Alabama. > > I have seen references to Murray Co marriage records that mention some of > these people on this list and would like to know how I might access those. > Am interested in any other info on this family, especially, of course, info > about Balis' or Nancy's parents. In 1840 Balis is listed next to a man > named James Donaldson who is old enough to be his father. > > Thanks! > Sherry Hamby > slhamby@carolina.net > > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Sherry, Could you please tell me how to find more information on the Cherokee Land Lottery? Thank you, Joan Griffin Rusk ----- Original Message ----- From: Sherry L. Hamby Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 8:21 AM To: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MURRAY] DONALDSON Hello, I have recently joined this list. I am researching the Balis/Baylis/Balus (etc) DONALDSON family (b 1813 SC, d 1896 AL). He married Nancy Katherine WILLIAMS (b 1811 NC, d 1878 AL). They are listed in the Murray Co GA censuses of 1840 and 1850. Balis is also listed as a winner in the 1832 Cherokee Land Lottery in the 9th district, 2nd section. His residence at the time of that lottery is listed as Gwinnett Co. In the Murray County Heritage book, he is listed as a trustee in 1848 of the Methodist campground of Ebenezer church. They had 12 children, Amanda Martha, James B. Zackus, John Madison, Mary Arena, Daniel Vinson, Jefferson Taylor, Wilson B., Wiley Baxter, Claricy E., Joab Umphrey, Columbus F C, and William Newton. Most of these were born in Georgia, presumably in Murray Co as most born in 1840s and early 1850s. I am related to Balis and Nancy through their son Wiley Baxter (aka Doc or Bean). The family moved to northern Alabama by 1860. Balis and Nancy and many of their children died in Alabama. I have seen references to Murray Co marriage records that mention some of these people on this list and would like to know how I might access those. Am interested in any other info on this family, especially, of course, info about Balis' or Nancy's parents. In 1840 Balis is listed next to a man named James Donaldson who is old enough to be his father. Thanks! Sherry Hamby slhamby@carolina.net ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Hello, I have recently joined this list. I am researching the Balis/Baylis/Balus (etc) DONALDSON family (b 1813 SC, d 1896 AL). He married Nancy Katherine WILLIAMS (b 1811 NC, d 1878 AL). They are listed in the Murray Co GA censuses of 1840 and 1850. Balis is also listed as a winner in the 1832 Cherokee Land Lottery in the 9th district, 2nd section. His residence at the time of that lottery is listed as Gwinnett Co. In the Murray County Heritage book, he is listed as a trustee in 1848 of the Methodist campground of Ebenezer church. They had 12 children, Amanda Martha, James B. Zackus, John Madison, Mary Arena, Daniel Vinson, Jefferson Taylor, Wilson B., Wiley Baxter, Claricy E., Joab Umphrey, Columbus F C, and William Newton. Most of these were born in Georgia, presumably in Murray Co as most born in 1840s and early 1850s. I am related to Balis and Nancy through their son Wiley Baxter (aka Doc or Bean). The family moved to northern Alabama by 1860. Balis and Nancy and many of their children died in Alabama. I have seen references to Murray Co marriage records that mention some of these people on this list and would like to know how I might access those. Am interested in any other info on this family, especially, of course, info about Balis' or Nancy's parents. In 1840 Balis is listed next to a man named James Donaldson who is old enough to be his father. Thanks! Sherry Hamby slhamby@carolina.net

In a message dated 8/26/02 1:43:59 PM, slhamby@carolina.net writes: << ...I have seen references in the list archives to a petition generated in Murray Co, GA, of men desiring to form a militia to fight Indians remaining in what was formerly Cherokee Co. The petition would have been circulated around 1837 or 1838. Does anyone know how I can access this list? ....>> Sherry, sorry. I didn't see your message the first time. I have a copy of the petition to which I assume you refer. It isn't a very good copy, but I've made the best transcription I can. XXXs mean I cannot make a guess, question marks represent a guess only. I should add that, even if there is no question mark, quite a bit of this is guess work, especially the names. CROSS PLAINS [note: now Dalton] west[?] part of Murray Co. Georgia, May 17th, 1838. Col. Lwasy[or maybe Swasy?] USA [?] Sir, Circumstances, with which we XXXX, you are unacquainted, cause us the undersigned citizens of the said part of Murray County and East part of Xxxxx County to present to you this petition. That - whereas there is a large space of country that is from Spring Place to Saxxxxxx a distance of about forty miles and from Xxxxxx northeasterly [?] to a greater distance there are no troops stationed for the protection of the inhabitants, and in the same lands there are several strong Indian Towns, to wit, Catoostah [Coosawattee?] Xxxx Creek and Hogwood [?] besides scattering Indian settlements - and all of the said Indians known to be of the Ross party and strongly opposed to the treaty and some of them heard to have made violent threats rather than comply with it. Wherefor we petition you, if it be consistent order of your arrangements [?], to xxxx a company of men [?] to be stationed in the aforesaid lands [?]. And we think at or near this place, that is McGhee's Store would be a location central and xxxxx [looks like obitake?]. It is twenty miles from Xxxxtown on the road leading to Calhoun and Ross' Landing. Please grant this petition and your petitioners, as in duty bound, will xxxx xxxx xx. ------ [Signed, capitalization of last names added] Absalom HOLCOMB, Wm B. MALONE, Ambrose McGHEE, Xxxxx PARKS, Ralph ELLISON, John McGHEE, Xxxxxx SMITH, Payton WADE, Asa THOMPSON, F.B. CASE[?], George CHAPPELL, Xxxxx CASE, T. NICHOLS, Xxxx MILLER, Absalom SMITH, Franklin SMITH, Washington DAVIS, Bxxxx MOBLEY, Payton MOBLEY, Charles[?] COOK, Xxxx XXXXXXX, Wm BENNETT, Wm BAUMxxxxxxx, David MAGGASSNER[?], M.[or W.] R. YOUNG, B. DONALDSON, Richard HILL, WM TIS[?]CATXXXXE, J. McELROY, A. McCURRY, H.C. BRXXXXXHAM, Andrew WATT, Thos SMITH, Wm BROOKS, Silas COOK, Gxxxxx FATTIN[?], B. MOSES, Wm WHITE, J.F.D. PARKS, Thos BLACK, T. HAYNES, D. HAYWARD[?] I. HORNDOSE[?], Jesse GEORGE, B. ELLIS, L. SPRINGFIELD. [Ambrose McGhee is my grx2grandfather, John McGhee his presumed brother.] <<Also, does anyone know about how Murray Co fit into the Trail of Tears? >> Sherry, you can order the Murray County Heritage book from the Crown Archives in Dalton, GA. You will find there the story of the grab of Murray CO, the lawlessness that prevailed there, the list of those serving with Bishop's Rangers (part of the GA militia), and much more. And there are a number of other books which, though not speaking always directly to the issue of Murray CO, will give you a wealth of information. Authors Ehle, Steele, Foreman and others. Good luck in your search! Leo

I tried Gilmer Cty. No cothrans, McClurds, or McCarsons there. Thanks anyway. I will continue to search. Peggy Louise & Larry wrote: > Try Gilmer County GA > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Sherry, Your message came thru, but I can't help you with any of the things you asked Jane

I posted this a couple of weeks ago but it never came to me--can someone let me know if this post went through? thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Sherry L. Hamby To: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: Murray Co petition asking to form militia against Indians 1837 or 1838 Hello, I have seen references in the list archives to a petition generated in Murray Co, GA, of men desiring to form a militia to fight Indians remaining in what was formerly Cherokee Co. The petition would have been circulated around 1837 or 1838. Does anyone know how I can access this list? I am curious to see if my Murray Co ancestors might be on it. Also, does anyone know about how Murray Co fit into the Trail of Tears? Thanks, Sherry Hamby slhamby@carolina.net

Has anyone heard of a place or plantation called Mount Joy, Thomas Gann married a Catherine Hicks there. Thanks, Jane

Try Gilmer County GA

Harriet Cothran married Henry McCarson. Her sister, Henrietta Cothran,(my ggrandmother) married William H. McClurd. I am trying to find information on their parents. Mary and Charles Cothran. They were originally from North Carolina. Thank you for your interest. Please keep an eye out for Charles and Mary Cothran in your own searches. Thank you. Peggy Peggy Chapman wrote: > Thank you, Brenda. Peggy > > Bcw360@aol.com wrote: > > > I try to study in my mind before I send responses. The Harriett Cochran I > > am > > familiar with married a Tye, but somewhere in the back of my mind I want > to > > say she also was married to a McClure or McClurd. Please check on the > > www.genforum site. Type in her name under search on the Cochran, Tye, and > > Cockran sites. These are the ones I look at often. Sorry I am of no more > > help. I would have checked for you, but I continue to forget. > > Brenda > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Thank you, Brenda. Peggy Bcw360@aol.com wrote: > I try to study in my mind before I send responses. The Harriett Cochran I > am > familiar with married a Tye, but somewhere in the back of my mind I want to > say she also was married to a McClure or McClurd. Please check on the > www.genforum site. Type in her name under search on the Cochran, Tye, and > Cockran sites. These are the ones I look at often. Sorry I am of no more > help. I would have checked for you, but I continue to forget. > Brenda > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I try to study in my mind before I send responses. The Harriett Cochran I am familiar with married a Tye, but somewhere in the back of my mind I want to say she also was married to a McClure or McClurd. Please check on the www.genforum site. Type in her name under search on the Cochran, Tye, and Cockran sites. These are the ones I look at often. Sorry I am of no more help. I would have checked for you, but I continue to forget. Brenda