There is an old newspaper story. There may be some truth to your family legend, though it is hard to know if is has been embellished over time. The KKK is not mentioned in the article. The MCH mentions two speculative theories about the fire, both being accidental in nature. However, KKK activity might not have been advertised, or might not have been widely known. I have the "Murray Co. Heritage," and it has the article on the 1899 fire from the "Spring Place Jimplecute" [May 12 edition] and other related facts [MCH pp.101-103]. Be prepared for a gory description if you read the article. It was written in the popular style of that era. According to the story, Dr. Bagwell was well respected, noble, friendly, etc. He must have been a member of Spring Place Lodge--the masonic fraternity conducted graveside services. [This might be worth investigating--KKK might be known to cloak their group identity under masonic legitimacy--if so that would provide a clue. I don't know any real detail about KKK history. The masons are well established and respected. They would be loath to have their name connected to the klan.] According to the article, the young doctor's wife had recently died, but it doesn't appear as if they were from "up north." It says that they had moved to Spring Place "less than six years ago" from Pickens County. If they had previously moved to Pickens County from "up north," it doesn't say so. "Mrs. Williams," the housekeeper, burned to death, with the doctor, his baby, and his two other children. Survivors of the fire were Frank Williams, who later moved to Texas, and a Dr. John Gilbert. 1000 people attended the funeral. There was no mention of a woman having escaped the fire. Of course, if she hid, she might have escaped notice. If she had been known to be living there, there would have been a search party, but maybe she was visiting instead of living there. Dr. Gilbert and Frank Williams, the survivors, probably would have known of her, though, and nothing is mentioned; so, you have a puzzle on your hands. Perhaps the fire was written up in other papers as well. dkp Visit Southern Muse: http://www.southernmuse.com --- br549 <br549@prodigy.net> wrote: > You guys have been so helpful so far, now I need > more help. An aunt has > relayed a story and I need someone who has access to > Murray Co. history to > check it out for me. > > A young doctor and his wife from "up north" moved to > Murray County around > 1897-1901. They either brought a baby with them or > the young woman gave > birth there. The young woman died and my GGGMa > Williams (?) moved in with > the young doctor to keep his house and take care of > the baby. GGGMa was a > Cherokee. A spokesman for the KKK visited the young > doctor and told him to > get rid of the Indian. He refused. The Klan > visited him 3 times and told > him to get rid of GGGMa but he refused. My GMa was > about 9 yrs old and said > she could remember hearing the horses coming up the > road. The Klan > surrounded the doctors house and again demanded that > he throw out the Indian > and again he refused. The Klan set fire to the > house and killed the doctor, > the baby and my GGGMa. She would have been 50ish. > > My GGMa was in her mid 30's and hid in a cave so the > Klan wouldn't kill her. > She hid in a barrel when they loaded up and left > Murray Co. GGMa's name was > Mary Elizabeth Williams and she was married to > Samuel James Springfield. It > appears that they were in Atlanta in June 1898 and > in Texas in 1901 but I > can't be certain. My aunt says the reason I can't > find any records on Mary > Elizabeth is because she was Cherokee and just > assumed the name to pass for > white. > > Can anyone help me verify this story? It almost > sounds so bizarre I think > it might be true. Also, I think I read somewhere > that there is a Murray > County history book. Is that so and how could I get > one? Thanks to you > all, cindy moore > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com > http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: > GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Hi Randall, Many thanks. I had one person wanting to know where it was. We knew there was one down there but didn't know if that was Murray or Gordon or if there was one in both places. I will pass the directions along on this one. For some reason we were looking for one on Spring Place Rd. What we really need is a list of the burials for our web site at http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/county/gordon/ and thought if we could find out where it was we could inventory it when the weather got cool enough. If I get a specific request I sure appreciate you being willing to check it for me. Thank you, Paula ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randall G. Brown" <rgbrown@alltel.net> To: <GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [MURRAY] Maple Grove Cemetery location > There is a Maple Grove Baptist Church Cemetery located just outside of > Murray County in Gordon County Georgia, the most simple directions are from > U. S. Highway 411 south, turn east onto Highway 136 , travel approximately > five miles turn right onto Maple Grove Church Road, the church is located on > the right about 200 yards. I have inventoried that cemetery if someone needs > a specific check I would be glad to help. > Randall

There is a Maple Grove Church South of Chatsworth that has a cemetary. Go South on GA 225 toward Calhoun. Pass Fire Station Number 5 . 1st road to your left is Maple Grove Church Road. The Church and Cemetary is at the end of the road. it is a good ways off the main highway. There is a Maple Grove Church in Bradley County Tn, I think. When you hit the state line on GA 225 it turns into Spring Place Road. If I find out i will let you know. C. Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula" <pkeith@alltel.net> To: <GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: [MURRAY] Maple Grove Cemetery location The Murray County AHGP web site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamurra2/ was sent a request for information on a Maple Grove Cemetery on Spring Place Rd. Does anyone have any idea where this cemetery is located? I need directions if anyone has them. I appreciate any help I can get. Thank you, Paula ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Upgrade Outlook® - Add COLOR to your Emails Outlook® is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Cindy write or call Crown Gardens Archives in Dalton Crown Gardens and Archives 715 Chattanooga ave. Dalton, Ga. 706-278-0217 Marcell runs the place and is most helpful. The book is 50.00 and very informative but I dont recall reading a story such as that, but the story sounds as if it very likely happened. Indians were treated then as blacks were later.

On page 101, 102, 103. "Murray County Heritage" Book Horrible Holocaust Dr. Bagwell, his three children, Emmett, Ernest, and Florence,(aged six, three years, and six month, respectively,) and Mrs. Williams, who kept house for him, went up in the flames and smoke of his burning residence - the Dr. and Mrs. Williams dying with the children in their arms, martyrs upon the cross of parental love and sublime duty. Dr. John Gilbert and Frank Williams were sleeping in another room and were awaken by the smoke and groans of the dying ones, and bravely tried to go to the rescue. The victims of the tragedy were buried next to Mrs. Bagwell who had died just a few months earlier. Dr. Gilbert, one of the fire's two survivors, went on to practice in Murray and Gordon Counties for some time. Frank Williams, who was Mrs. Williams grandson, later moved to Texas. Mrs. Williams, the former Nancy Rogers and a native of Murray County, has many relatives in the Rogers and Springfield families living in Murray County today. The North Georgia Citizen of May 11, 1899 contains some additional in formation about the fire. (There is more about this fire in the book, if you think it is the one you want, let me know.) I don't see anything about a Cherokee Indian being involved. Louise

There is a Maple Grove Baptist Church Cemetery located just outside of Murray County in Gordon County Georgia, the most simple directions are from U. S. Highway 411 south, turn east onto Highway 136 , travel approximately five miles turn right onto Maple Grove Church Road, the church is located on the right about 200 yards. I have inventoried that cemetery if someone needs a specific check I would be glad to help. Randall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paula" <pkeith@alltel.net> To: <GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: [MURRAY] Maple Grove Cemetery location > The Murray County AHGP web site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamurra2/ was > sent a request for information on a Maple Grove Cemetery on Spring Place Rd. > Does anyone have any idea where this cemetery is located? I need directions > if anyone has them. > I appreciate any help I can get. > Thank you, > Paula > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > ---- > Upgrade Outlook® - Add COLOR to your Emails > Outlook® is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation > > > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

The Murray County AHGP web site at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamurra2/ was sent a request for information on a Maple Grove Cemetery on Spring Place Rd. Does anyone have any idea where this cemetery is located? I need directions if anyone has them. I appreciate any help I can get. Thank you, Paula ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Upgrade Outlook® - Add COLOR to your Emails Outlook® is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation

You guys have been so helpful so far, now I need more help. An aunt has relayed a story and I need someone who has access to Murray Co. history to check it out for me. A young doctor and his wife from "up north" moved to Murray County around 1897-1901. They either brought a baby with them or the young woman gave birth there. The young woman died and my GGGMa Williams (?) moved in with the young doctor to keep his house and take care of the baby. GGGMa was a Cherokee. A spokesman for the KKK visited the young doctor and told him to get rid of the Indian. He refused. The Klan visited him 3 times and told him to get rid of GGGMa but he refused. My GMa was about 9 yrs old and said she could remember hearing the horses coming up the road. The Klan surrounded the doctors house and again demanded that he throw out the Indian and again he refused. The Klan set fire to the house and killed the doctor, the baby and my GGGMa. She would have been 50ish. My GGMa was in her mid 30's and hid in a cave so the Klan wouldn't kill her. She hid in a barrel when they loaded up and left Murray Co. GGMa's name was Mary Elizabeth Williams and she was married to Samuel James Springfield. It appears that they were in Atlanta in June 1898 and in Texas in 1901 but I can't be certain. My aunt says the reason I can't find any records on Mary Elizabeth is because she was Cherokee and just assumed the name to pass for white. Can anyone help me verify this story? It almost sounds so bizarre I think it might be true. Also, I think I read somewhere that there is a Murray County history book. Is that so and how could I get one? Thanks to you all, cindy moore

thanks a bunch. M Daley

1 Jolley in the 1850 Murray County Georgia census. Page 160, Family 173 M.G. Jolley 30 M Keeping Livery Stable, b: SC Serena 22 F b:GA

Hi to all the new people on the list, along with those who've been on for much longer. I've been a subscriber for over a year, and read as many posts as possible, but don't do a lot of posting. I recently read a post that referred to an annex being planned for the library in Murray County. I deleted it, and now after giving it some thought, I'd like to look into it further. Does anyone have the original post, or could you tell me who to contact (and perhaps a phone number) for more information about the annex? The post said the plans were to build an annex with much more geneological information. My mother, Sybil Ruth Richardson McLemore, a former teacher at Springplace Grammar School, was quite interested in geneological research while she was living in Chatsworth. I have been planning to do something in her memory (something involving the school, her church, or the library), and have not yet formalized my plans. I think that the library annex with its geneological section might be a good choice. Thanks for your help. Sheila McLemore Placerville, Colorado

Hello! I am looking for census information on the Jolley family from Murray County. If you have any Jolley's or William Jolley, could you please let me know? I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you Marla Daley IrishDaleycrew@aol..com

Coward's would be the militia district. Not necessarily meaning he was active in the militia. Militia district is a political subdivision of the county, somewhat like a township. In Georgia it is difficult to follow the naming of the districts. Each has a number (i.e. 175 in your other example), but generally were called after the name of the local captain. Which of course changed from time to time. Somewhere along the way, the names sort of became fixed, but without a consistency of when nor how. Sometimes a captain's name stuck, sometimes a geographic name such as Sweetwater District. -----Original Message----- From: Nimrodkiss@aol.com [mailto:Nimrodkiss@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, September 01, 2002 11:44 PM To: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MURRAY] Cherokee Land Lottery 1832 Hi Listers Can someone help me figure out what the Lottery List means? 1. 7th District First Section # 321. Samuel Carter, Coward's, Lowndes Does this mean Samuel was living Lowndes Co and he was in village of Coward's or is Cowards the name of a branch of service he was in? I notice some give 175th, Lee *. I figure they were in a military group and came from Lee Co. Is this correct? Thanks Jan ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== --- Author Retains Copyright --- -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I was excited to see your post. I am seeking a Samuel Carter who had sons John (m. Adeline); Duncan; Jesse; Daniel; and daughters Elizabeth A. (m. Hugh J. Ratcliff); Nancy (m. Joel Foster) and Sarah who married a Stephens. "My" Samuel's wife was Mary. If this is your line, please contact me off-list at jcdeben@vvm.com [that is two v's - not a w] Jane Debenport

I neglected to tell you there are also a lot of Popes living in the Tenn. and Ga. county I mentioned. Peggy James Childers wrote: > Try Towns County for Noblets. The older generation Jack Noblet passed away > 3/4 > years back and his son Ernest runs the 10 cent store there. Also Alvin > Noblet. > There are several girls there too. > > James Childers > > Peggy Chapman wrote: > > > Try the Polk County, Tenn. and Fannin County, Georgia for your Talley > link. > > There are many listed in the 1800s in those two counties. Good luck. > Peggy > > > > Lhaga123@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Am searching for information concerning Harriett Cassandra Noblett > and/or > > > Alexander Stephen Talley. They married Feb. 9, 1868. She is the daughter > > of > > > Isaac Noblett and Martha Pope. Harriett died 1878, but I'm not sure > where. > > > I'm thinking she died in Georgia, perhaps around Dalton. Any help is > > > appreciated. > > > > > > Lynette > > > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Try Towns County for Noblets. The older generation Jack Noblet passed away 3/4 years back and his son Ernest runs the 10 cent store there. Also Alvin Noblet. There are several girls there too. James Childers Peggy Chapman wrote: > Try the Polk County, Tenn. and Fannin County, Georgia for your Talley link. > There are many listed in the 1800s in those two counties. Good luck. Peggy > > Lhaga123@aol.com wrote: > > > Am searching for information concerning Harriett Cassandra Noblett and/or > > Alexander Stephen Talley. They married Feb. 9, 1868. She is the daughter > of > > Isaac Noblett and Martha Pope. Harriett died 1878, but I'm not sure where. > > I'm thinking she died in Georgia, perhaps around Dalton. Any help is > > appreciated. > > > > Lynette > > > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

Hi Listers Can someone help me figure out what the Lottery List means? 1. 7th District First Section # 321. Samuel Carter, Coward's, Lowndes Does this mean Samuel was living Lowndes Co and he was in village of Coward's or is Cowards the name of a branch of service he was in? I notice some give 175th, Lee *. I figure they were in a military group and came from Lee Co. Is this correct? Thanks Jan

Try the Polk County, Tenn. and Fannin County, Georgia for your Talley link. There are many listed in the 1800s in those two counties. Good luck. Peggy Lhaga123@aol.com wrote: > Am searching for information concerning Harriett Cassandra Noblett and/or > Alexander Stephen Talley. They married Feb. 9, 1868. She is the daughter of > Isaac Noblett and Martha Pope. Harriett died 1878, but I'm not sure where. > I'm thinking she died in Georgia, perhaps around Dalton. Any help is > appreciated. > > Lynette > > ==== GAMURRAY Mailing List ==== > --- Author Retains Copyright --- > -- Copyright 2002 Author -- All Rights Reserved > Post to List: GAMURRAY-L@rootsweb.com http://www.selfroots.com > Unsubscribe request To: GAMURRAY-L-request@rootsweb.com > ARCHIVES: http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl

I do not know that Carolyn Ellison's father is a "Ralph" Ellison. He is just the only likely father I've been able to find for her. Thank you for the suggestions. Carolyn and Drury F. Hall were married before 1850 - but I'll look over the earlier census reports to see if she might fit into an Ellison family. Again, thank you for the suggestions. Jane

Hi everyone. While I was replying to a query and once again referring people to Dalton's Library, it occurred to me that some people might not have heard the news: Murray County Library is adding a new addition. It is currently in the fundraising stage. I happened to be at the courthouse one day, searching deeds, and a library committee member was there, searching old newspapers. She said the annex will have a great history/genealogy section. I hope it's true. I told her that most, if not all, Murray County court records, deeds, newspapers, etc., had been microfilmed by the Georgia State Archives, and that Dalton Library and LDS have some of them. She said that she would check and see if the library could get copies. I thought that I might like to buy one or two microfilms myself. I searched the Georgia State Archives on-line, which referred me to Galileo (Georgia's search engine). That gave me a mouth-watering list of Murray County microfilms held by Georgia State Archives, but the it only showed catalog numbers, availability, etcetera. They weren't for sale. I've found places on-line where LDS will rent microfilms, to be sent to your nearest LDS center on a rental or even permanent-loan basis, but I've never found a single place which sells any films other than census, which I don't need. I don't like inter-library loan because most of the loan time is used up in transit. Does anyone know where an individual can buy microfilms other than census records? D.K. Pritchett Visit Southern Muse: http://www.southernmuse.com