Lee Anne, Interesting, the ALFORD name. The ALFORDS were from VA and were collateral with the KEY family and a KEY family ran a ferry in Morgan County on the old stage coach line from Charleston, as the story goes. As I understand it, Wilson LUMPKIN (1783-1870) and his first wife, Elizabeth WALKER (1786-1819), lived pretty close to the KEY family in Morgan County, GA. The KEYS, BIBBS and TANDYS were also collateral and there are a lot of interesting connections between all of this bunch. In fact, Rev. William Bibb CRAWFORD, son of William Harris CRAWFORD, married my grand uncle, William Russell DANIEL (1853-1904), to his first wife, Florence A. FISK (1852-1896) in 1879. He married a Clara VINING as his second wife after Florence's death in 1896. I have always looked pretty closely at the WALKERS of Morgan County for connections to my DANIEL bunch of Burke and Jefferson County, GA. I know Elizabeth's family was from Prince William County, VA - her father was Rev. Sanders WALKER and her mother, Sarah LAMAR. I think Sarah is out of the John LAMAR family which was originally from Queen Anne's Parish, Prince George's County, Maryland but moved to Richmond County, GA. There is another WALKER family that ties into many of these early Madison, GA families -- the WALKER family from Burke County, GA. John Byne WALKER (1805-1884) married Eliza Saffold FANNIN and his parents were from Burke County, GA and his wife out of the FANNIN family, another prominent Madison family that had come to Madison from CT via of VA. The WALKERS of Burke were originally from Ireland. George WALKER, John's grandfather, and his brother Thomas, together with their sister, Mary and her husband, John Dallas, whom she married in Ireland, came to America in 1750. John Dallas and Mary WALKER settled in Delaware. Thomas WALKER migrated to South Carolina but eventually settled in Richmond County, Georgia and reared a large family. George Walker settled in Briar Creek in Burke County Georgia and in 1756 married Mary DUHART. He was a blacksmith by trade and brought over his tools which with his bed-clothes, constituted his possessions on his arrival in Georgia. He soon relinquished his trade and purchasing a farm. He was a fine Christian gentleman, and during the revolutionary war he refused to take sides, having conscientious scruples against rebelling against England. I find this previous comment about WALKER interesting because I cannot find, anywhere, that my 2nd GGF, Robert C. DANIEL or DANIELL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) of Burke County, GA ever applied for a Revolutionary War land grant but money seemed not to be a problem for either my DANIEL bunch or these WALKERS. I know these later WALKERS of Madison became staunch Baptists and while some of my DANIEL bunch were Baptists, most were Methodist, it seems. In act, John Byne WALKER built the Baptist Church in Madison in the late 1850's and was one of the wealthiest persons in Madison. I have often wondered if there was a Quaker connection to many of this bunch because the Quakers had what everybody wanted -- "money" and a lot of them later became, Methodists. The problem I have noted with a lot of stated genealogies is that a lot of families that later joined the DAR as descendents of Revolutionary Soldiers, were in fact, not, because their ancestors did not serve. It was a real leap of faith to join the Revolution in the 1770's. A person had to be willing to just about give up everything they owned to do this and some were not willing to do it. However, many of their descendants later joined the DAR on their record. Now, the DAR makes them prove it. I do not have to worry about my daughters joining the DAR or UDC because I descend from over 20 RS on my mother's side and both my paternal grandfather and maternal great-grandfather fought for the Confederacy. However, if the ancestor of every person, who has ever joined the DAR on the record of their ancestor, had actually fought in the Revolution, we could have thrown the English Army out of North America in a couple of weeks. <grin> I have always felt that many of the families "who had money" did not fight in the Revolution because they were afraid they were loose it and its legions were composed mainly of "those that didn't and had nothing to loose" and those who were idealists and wanted a better life for themselves and their children. I have also felt that most of the long time Baptist families were probably RS but families that were early Methodists -- maybe not. John R. Clarke For some of the best in the outdoors visit www.outdoorwriter.com This message is also virus free ----- Original Message ----- From: "lacenter" <lacenter@attbi.com> To: "'John R. Clarke'" <jclarke@rose.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 10:38 PM Subject: RE: [GAMORGAN-L] marriage lookup: John A. Bates and Elizabeth Davis > John, > > Thank you for this information. This is very interesting. I had targeted > Edgefield as a candidate county for Elizabeth Davis. But her birthdate was > about 1796 in SC. I had also found a John Bates about the right age (b. abt. > 1794 in VA) in Greenville Co. SC in 1810 (age 16-25) that I'm going to look > at more closely. (There was a John J. Bates in the same county too, but not > the right age range). > > My John A. Bates was in the 1820 Greene Co. GA census. The only other Bates > in Greene county in that census was James Bates. There were other Bates in > counties close by who were contemporaries of his. I am looking at adjoining > counties because some of my ancestors in another state married in an > adjoining county to the one I was originally looking for them in. > > John married wife 1) Elizabeth Alford 26 Nov. 1818 in Greene Co. GA and wife > 2) Elizabeth Davis in 1824 (according to a Goodspeed article). (Elizabeth > Alford died after she and John had three daughters.) > > I'll try to find the Davis families you mentioned in the 1820 census and try > to determine how they might fit in. > > Thanks again. > Lee Anne > > -----Original Message----- > From: John R. Clarke [mailto:jclarke@rose.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:50 PM > To: GAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GAMORGAN-L] marriage lookup: John A. Bates and Elizabeth > Davis > > > Hi, > I do not have this DAVIS-BATES marriage but I have something, close. > George James STROTHER, Jr. of Johnston, Edgefield District, SC married > Eloise E. BATES ABT 1845. She was the d/o of John BATES and Hephzibah > Eleanor BOND of Batesburg, Lexington County, SC. > The reason I bring this up is because George and Eloise's daughter, > Georgianna E. STROTHER, married Henry HILL (b. 1825) and the HILL family of > Edgefield/Abbeville County, SC were the antecedents of the Joshua HILL > family of Madison, GA. This HILL family also seems to have floated into > Washington County, GA, at least, parts of it. > I do not know how this all breaks out, exactly, but I would I would > take a close look at this South Carolina BATES family if I were you. Your > DAVIS family may well be a part of the DAVIS family of Edgefield and > Richmond County, GA or even the one that floated with the DANIELL family to > Oconee and/or Clarke County, GA. A lot of these families in this area > migrated to Morgan County, GA in later years. > > John R. Clarke > For some of the best in the outdoors visit > www.outdoorwriter.com > This message is also virus free > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lee Anne Center" <lacenter@attbi.com> > To: <GAMORGAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:02 PM > Subject: [GAMORGAN-L] marriage lookup: John A. Bates and Elizabeth Davis > > > > If you have a marriage index, would you please tell me if you have a > marriage between Elizabeth Davis and John A. Bates in 1824 (or between 1821 > and 1825)? > > > > (Elizabeth could be Eliza, Betty/ye, Betsy/ey, Beth? Davis could be a > variation on Davis, such as Davice? Bates could be Baits?) > > > > Thanks, > > Lee Anne > > > > > > ==== GAMORGAN Mailing List ==== > > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change > the subject of a reply message. > > > > > > > > ==== GAMORGAN Mailing List ==== > Don't forget to change the Subject line of your message when you change the > subject of a reply message. > >