Ann, I do not know how that came about -- it must have been late and there were lots of Johns in all of this. Dr. John GRIMES, Jr. was the son of John GRIMES, Sr. RS-VA (1758-AFT 1804) and Elizabeth Terrell WINGFIELD (1755-1792) of Greene County, GA. Elizabeth was the d/o Thomas WINGFIELD III and Elizabeth TERRELL of Washington, Wilkes County, GA and before that Louisa County, VA. Dr. John GRIMES, Jr. married Catherine Jones GLEN (1799-1840), d/o Judge John GLEN, Esq. (1744-1799) and Sarah JONES (d. 1804) of Savannah, on 11 Feb 1806 in Savannah, Chatham County, GA. The d/o Dr. John GRIMES, Jr. and Catherine Jones GLEN, Sarah Jones GRIMES (1808-1847), married James POTTER (1793-1862) on 4 Jan 1827 in Savannah, Chatham County, GA. James was the son of John POTTER, Esq. (1765-1849) and Sarah FULLER (1769-1848) of Charleston. James POTTER and his wife, Sarah Jones GRIMES are buried with the STOCKTONS in Trinity Church, Princeton, Mercer County, New Jersey. John POTTER and his wife, Sarah FULLER, are also buried there but some of their children are buried in St. Michael's Church, Charleston, Charleston, South Carolina. Dr. John GRIMES, Jr. and his wife, Catherine Jones GLEN, are buried in Old Colonial Cemetery, Savannah, Chatham, Georgia. There seems to be a rather close connection in many Morgan County, GA families between the cities of Savannah, Charleston, Augusta, Philadelphia and various areas in NJ. You probably do not know it but the MUSTINS of Madison, whose family were big merchants in Augusta, like John POTTER were in Charleston, originally migrated from Davenport, England into Philadelphia and they had family there, too. Their MUSTIN family, there, ran cotton mills, much like the CALLOWAYS and others did in GA. Dr. GRIMES also went to medical school in Philadelphia and a lot of young ladies went to finishing school (Miss Picot's School is mentioned as one of them) there, too, in later years. This whole bunch is loaded with connections to Philadelphia in various ways. The RICHTERS also had connections to the same areas of NJ as the STOCKTONS. The mother of Anne Eliza Potter RICHTER (1808-1863) was a Margaret WHITE (1788-1849) and her father was a Captain John WHITE, USN and her mother was a Margaret HARTSHORNE, both of the Somerset, Monmouth County, NJ area before migrating to St. Croix, DWI, where he was a ship captain after the RW. Notice, also, the US Navy connection of both Captain John WHITE and Commodore Richard Field STOCKTON who married on of John POTTER's daughters. I have always assumed the RICHTERS had help and stayed with family during their migration from St. Croix to Madison. We know they were in St. Croix in Oct 1836 when Anna Maria (later Mrs. Milton Anthony MUSTIN, Esq.) was born and in Madison by August 1838 when Charles W. RICHTER, Jr. was born. We also know they were in transit to the US in April of 1837 because Anna Maria was christened on board a British man-of-war during this trip. This leaves a little over a year for Charles, Sr and Anne Eliza to be in transit from Charleston to Madison. We also know the reason that Charles, Sr. decided to stay in Madison, was because Anne Eliza was pregnant with Charles, Jr.. This tells me they had to have some help along the way and I would almost bet money they stayed with some of her family in Charleston during this migration to Madison. Who they were, has not come down to us in family lore. I am also not exactly sure all of the information provided about John POTTER, Esq. in the History of Princeton, NJ is exactly correct because I know there were POTTERS in Charleston much earlier than John's migration there in the late 1700's. A Thomas POTTER was mentioned and provided for in the 1718 will of Governor Robert DANIELL of Charleston. I also know the WATHLINGTON name is a Charleston name and one of the children of Arthur POTTER of St. Croix received this as a middle name. I also know the BOLTONS were of Charleston and one of Arthur's daughters married a George BOLTON. There are just too many ties in this overall family to the Charleston area for these two POTTER families not to be related, not to mention the later marriage of Mary Jane Reneau DANIEL (1830-1912) to Professor Winfield Montgomery RIVERS, sr. (1825-1905) whose family was from James Island, SC. Mary Jane was the mother of Alice Elizabeth DANIEL who married John RICHTER, Charles and Anne Eliza's youngest son. RIVERS was also the father of Harriett Elise RIVERS, known as Hallie, who married John's older brother, Martin L. RICHTER, Sr. in 1866. We also know the STOCKTONS of Princeton, NJ were Presbyterian but the John POTTER family of Charleston was Church of England. We also know that Anne Eliza POTTER (wife of Charles W RICHTER, Sr) was probably also Church of England because their child, Anna Maria, was christened by the English chaplain on their trip to the US in 1837. We also know from family lore that Sir Arthur POTTER, Governor General of the Dutch West Indies, was of English descent. If John POTTER of Charleston was a typical Irishman, he would not have been a member of the Church of England, would he? He would have been Catholic, so this tells me that John POTTER of Charleston was also of English descent. In fact, John POTTER founded and helped build an Episcopal Church in Princeton, NJ after he moved there from Charleston. This latter may be the reason my bunch has passed down the stories of Arthur's brother, a John POTTER, being associated with the Episcopal Church. However, John POTTER did not die in Princeton, NJ but in Anson County, NC, where more than a few of the families of Greene and Morgan County, GA had their roots, especially the BURNEYS who are tied rather closely with the WINGFIELDS. I do not know the answer to all of this but these two POTTER families sure "smell" like parts of the same family, especially with the STOCKTON connections that show up in the family of Alice Elizabeth DANIEL - her grandmother was a STOCKTON and her family was from Princeton. I also cannot say that Alice's DANIEL family of Burke and Jefferson County, GA had links to the Thomas DANIEL, Jr. and Sarah BURNEY family of Greene County, GA but that is a real possibility. It is also a possibility they descend from the Gov. Robert DANIELL family of Charleston. This latter DANIELL family has always been one of my first choices because Dr. Anne KILPATRICK (b. 1910), my cousin from Atlanta, told me that when she was a girl her mother, Eva Pauline RICHTER, told her the DANIEL family that lived behind them in Athens was related to them. I now know who this DANIEL family was and they were descendants of Gov. Robert DANIELL of Charleston. I also know the DANIELL family of Clarke County, GA was involved in some kind of probate matter with the PONDER and MALCOLM families, who were collateral in Morgan County, GA, around 1860. I also know John Harris PONDER, Sr. (1786-1864) married a Lucy CARLTON, d/o Henry CARLTON, Esq. of Madison. I also know that Henry's brother, John CARLTON, Esq. married Nancy Ann ALDERMAN of Washington County, GA and their daughter, Mary CARLTON, married John CHASTAIN of Thomas County, GA. Their daughter, Sophronia Edna CHASTAIN married Russell R. RENEAU (1832-1862) in 1855. Russell ran the newspaper in Thomasville, GA before the CW. Russell, who was killed at the Battle of South Mountain, MD in 1862, was a younger brother of Mary Jane RENEAU (1830-1912), who married Robert W. DANIEL, Esq. (1809-1865) of Bethany, Jefferson County, GA in 1852. Mary Jane and Robert were the parents of Alice Elizabeth DANIEL and remember who she married - John RICHTER of Madison. Also, Alice's youngest son, J.C. RICHTER, Jr. married Lucille PONDER (1895-1973), great granddaughter of James Harris PONDER and Lucy CARLTON. See how circular it gets. My problem is -- I cannot complete the circle on the family of Robert W. DANIEL of Jefferson County, GA but we know from historical records that his daughter, Alice E. DANIEL,.descended from one of the founding families of Morgan County, GA - so stated W. T. BACON in her 1924 obit. Who this DANIEL family was -- I have only a few clues and these are conflicting. That's one thing I know about these families -- they may bounce around from one family to another but sooner or later their descendants will come back to their main collaterals and re-establish these circular connections, once again. This is what I look for when I hit up against these stone walls, like I have with my DANIEL bunch....... John R. Clarke Feel free to visit my website at: www.outdoorwriter.com ----- Original Message ----- From: ANNTODAY@aol.com To: jclarke@rose.net Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [GAMORGAN-L] Another Circular connection Hi John I am having a little trouble following this. Could you help me out? In a message dated 6/12/03 6:57:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jclarke@rose.net writes: James POTTER married (2nd) Sarah Jones GRIMES, d/o Dr. John Wesley GRIMES, Jr. and Catherine Jones GLENN of Savannah, Chatham County, GA. One of Dr. James GRIMES, Jr. and Sarah Jones GLENN's daughters, Catherine Elizabeth POTTER (b. 1829) married Phillip POULLAIN (b. 1824) , Could you tell me how Dr. John Wesley GRIMES, Jr. and Dr. James GRIMES, Jr. are related? Did they marry sisters - Catherine Jones GLENN and Sarah Jones GLENN? Thanks so much. Ann Also, you mentioned that you have a few NICHOLSON names in your extended family names. Would you mind sharing who they are? Thanks again! ANN NICHOLSON Marietta, Georgia Researching: BOND, BOOTH, BURNS, CAREY, DILDY, EDMONDS, FOWLER, FULLER, GOBER, JORDAN, KESLER, LACKEY, MOORE, NICHOLSON, NICKELSON, PARHAM, PARR, PHILLIPS, PRATHER, SCURLOCK, STEPHENS and JAMES S. SMITH - born about 1840 immigrated from ENGLAND. "If you don't remember us daughter, who will?"