> I hope it is no inappropriate to send this to the list. I thought all > Genealogists would get a kick out of this. If I have stepped on any > toes or done something I shouldn't have, I apologize. Nancy Bedell > > <A HREF="http://deseretnews.com/edt_toon/wed.htm">Click here: > Deseret News > >Web Edition document></A>

I found a William P. Martin in the 1860 Floyd County, Georgia Census. I have listed below what I found: James N. Cooper 48 M Warehouse & Corn(?) 2000 1000 SC Sarah C. Cooper 38 F Domestic Tenn. William P. Martin 15 M Printer Ala. John D. Bradford 4 M Ala. I think the above is my William P. Martin and he is listed as living with James N. & Sarah C. Cooper. My William P. Martin(unknown birth date) married Sarah A. Martin 25 November 1869 in Clarke County Georgia and his wife, Sarah A. Mobley died March 1, 1920 in Madison County, Georgia, but I don't know of a death date for William. If this looks familiar to anyone, and you can help me make a match, please email me at nbedell@negia.net.

My grandparents were at one time residence of Madison County, Danielsville. My grandmother, Laura Minnie Lee Stephens, I believe, was born there. DOB 02/04/1883. Her parents were Dennis and Hulda Jane Payton Stephens and Dennis parents were Ervin and Nancy Stephens. Need info on where Dennis is buried and any info on the Payton's and Ervin & Nancy Stephens. Ervin's approximate year of birth is 1800 and Nancy's approximate year of birth is 1821. My grandfather, Charley Johnson Roberts, was born 1/31/1872, the son of William Asbury Roberts and Sarah Elizabeth Payton, William's parents are James and Harriet Roberts. Need to know any info on William, Sarah, James or Harriett. Thanks eversomuch! BB

Sandi I am going to respond to you but also to the list because I think some other people might like to know the same information. The Tyler Public Library does have the 1870 Madison Co, GA Census so I have started copying there. For convenience sake, I made copies of about 8 pages and brought them home - I am still working on them so you can see I haven't gone very far. I think that will get too expensive so I will probably just copy it there by hand and then bring it home and put it into my computer. The USGenWeb Project has a really wonderful software program called CART that you can download once you have made a committment to copy a county. When you put it into that program it is completely searchable by the Archives Search Engine. You can order microfilm of the census records from several different sources - one being the National Archives. The nice thing about that is that you can take them to any library that has a microfilm reader and use them. At least that is the policy where I live. I live very close to the University here so when I was copying the early Madison Co Census Records, I bought the microfilm and took it out there to be copied it. If you are lucky and have a microfilm reader then you can do it at home. Also S-K Publications has also offered to give their books to anyone who will copy the census and put it in the USGenWeb Archives. You can find out all about this on the USGenWeb Project Page http://www.usgenweb.org/census/ The Georgia Census Page is: http://www.usgenweb.org/census/states/georgia/georgia.htm Another thing you can do to help when you live far away is to put your documents in the USGenWeb Archives. Bible Records, Obituaries, Newspaper Articles, Wills, Deeds, Pension Records, Cemeteries, Church Records - anything that will help to place people. I have put several items in and I have had some wonderful response from people who are looking for the same ancestors. Many times they have a piece of the puzzle that you don't have. This is the web site for the Georgia Archives http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/gafiles.htm - and don't forget to look at Madison Co! http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/madison.htm We need to build it up so it will be the best county archives in Georgia! All you have to do is save it to text and submit it. If you don't know how - this should help. http://www.rootsweb.com/~txsmith/archfile.htm Until later! Mary Love Berryman http://www.tyler.net/mlb/ -----Original Message----- From: Sandra and Larry Franklin <franklin@choicetech.net> To: Mary Love Berryman <marylove@tyler.net> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 1999 2:49 PM Subject: Census >Mary, First of all, thank-you for your two cents. Second of all, how >does one go about copying census records for way down there? I would >like to expand my horizons as well as contribute something to Madison >County. I live in SD, but if you could tell me how to go about getting >information for this kind of work, I would be grateful. Research has >gotten in my blood and I would like to be able to help somehow. Thanks. >Sandi > >

I am County Coordinator for Coke and Smith Counties, Texas. We do simple lookups in the books about our counties. In the case of Coke Co we have permission from the authors and in Smith Co most of the books were published but the East Texas Genealogical Society which is the sponsor for the Smith Co Project. You can find the stated USGenWeb policy at this address http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/lookups.htm I think part of the problem here is the fact that portions of these books have been posted to the list. If you are going to help a friend - wouldn't it be better to help them privately? I happen to be one of the authors for the 1820-1960 Madison Co Census Book which was published by Heritage Papers. The book is still in print and sells for $15 - a great buy. If you have lots of folks in Madison Co - you really should have one. My book is just about worn out and I am thinking about ordering another one. I might add that the only thing I got out of copying the 1820, 1830 and 1840 Census was a copy of the book and a lot of satisfaction that I was helping other researchers in Madison Co, GA. I doubt that Mary Warren did much more than recover the expense of printing the book. She has done much for research in Madison Co to which we all should be very grateful. Right now Jeanne Auguelles and I am working on the 1870 Madison Co Census which we hope to have on the Internet one of these days. Why? - just to help all you folks out there! Wish some of you would offer to copy the 1880, 1900, 1910 and 1920 Madison Co, GA Census. I live in Texas so you don't have to be in Georgia to do this. Just my two cents worth! :) Mary Love Berryman http://www.tyler.net/mlb/ -----Original Message----- From: Belinda & Dave Savadge <savadge@alltel.net> To: GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com <GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 11:27 PM Subject: Re: A statement to the list >Hi, > > What Karen is talking about is infringing on someone else's copyright. >They spent years researching and developing their book. It is their work and >they should be compensated for it. > > Most do not mind it you ask to use parts of their book, but they will >mind it you take all of their hard work and give it away. Most libraries >will let you copy part or pieces of books but they don't like you copying >the whole book. > > Yes genealogy is about sharing. But sharing your work and not someone >else's without their permission. I had a cousin steal ten years of my hard >work and put her name to it!! That was not fair to me. > > Anyone who has done a lot of research or put out a book knows what hard, >long and tedious work it is. Try sitting and transcribing whole census >records, marriage books, wills, land records, and birth and death records. >Not just one or two but the whole thing!! It is very time consuming and >tiring work. > > Try researching to write a book about the Civil War, WWI, or WWII, it >takes a very long time to do these things. No one would like to work that >hard and then have someone just give away all their hard work. Some people >do this for a living to feed their children, pay their bills, just like a >lot of you get up and go to your job everyday to pay these things. > > It is like working for a company for 10 years, being a dedicated and >loyal employee, doing your job well and to the best of your ability, and >then showing up to work one day to find out you no longer have a job because >you were replayed by someone who could do the work cheaper than what you >were being paid and with less benefits. You would not like that very much at >all considering all the time you spent doing this job and now someone is >doing it cheaper. Now you have to figure where your next paycheck is coming >from. Now put yourself in the authors place. > > So let's be fair to everyone. If you use someone else's research check >with them first. It is the only descent thing to do. > > Sorry if I offended anyone or upset anyone for that was not my >intentions at all. Just trying to clarify what Karen is saying and I agree >with her. > >Best Regards to All, >Belinda >savadge@alltel.net > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sandra and Larry Franklin <franklin@choicetech.net> >To: GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com <GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 8:11 PM >Subject: Re: A statement to the list > > >>I'm not sure what is going on here, but if we are talking about cemetery >>records and county history books those historical records belong to the >>people no matter who published them, not to mention the increase in >>sales to the historical societies because people find out that they >>exist. On the other hand, I own a family genealogy book written by a >>family member, and I offer information from it with her permission. >>After all, her goal is to increase in knowledge and the only way to do >>that in genealogy is to let people know what you know and vice versa. I >>don't know about the UGA Library. I do know that they allow you to copy >>material from their research books because I have done it. We're not >>talking about famous classic novels here. This is people who research >>people and common sense dictates that we get permission if we believe we >>should have it, otherwise, I can't think of anyone who has the corner on >>my family members. After all, my great-great grandfather doesn't just >>belong to me. Sandi >> >>"Karen T.Ledford" wrote: >>> >>> I am sorry if the statement I made the other day about copyright >>> infringements have some of you so upset. >>> >>> I wasn't trying to intimidate anyone. Go ahead and post what you want >>> to. It certainly has been under discussion on other lists about this >>> very thing and it has been a mess and caused some real confusion. >>> >>> I still believe if you start posting information to a public list out of >>> a copyrighted book that you are breaking the copyright. I will let the >>> author of the book that it happens to take their own course of action. >>> As long as it isn't my book, I won't concern myself. >>> >>> I certainly can tell you that someone on another list offered to do >>> lookups out of a book she had to the public and the University of Ga. >>> Library stepped in on the list and said, "hey we own the copyright on >>> this book you are offering to do lookups out of and they were saying >>> you can't do this. You can argue this with them if you wish. I figure >>> the >>> certainly know what they are talking about. >>> >>> I must add here if researchers and authors who spend years compiling >>> this information that you use for your work wanted to give it away they >>> would post it themselves to the internet. If you would sometime go and >>> price what it takes to publish a book. Thousands of dollars and years >>> and years of research will certainly make any author very unhappy to >>> see their work made public in the way that we are talking about here. I >>> am not the only one who thinks in this way so don't put me in the >>> minority of ONE. >>> >>> It was NOT my book, that was being offered, I was only trying to tell >>> the list what I know and understand to be the case. I certainly had >>> nothing to gain or to loose by what I said. >>> >>> So don't let me stand in the way of anything here. Go ahead and do what >>> you want to. Post what you want to. You certainly won't get any >>> oppostion from me. >>> >>> I assure you my post was with the best intentions and not meant to harm >>> anyone but to be helpful. >>> >>> Karen T. Ledford/Toccoa, Ga. >> > > >

Hi, What Karen is talking about is infringing on someone else's copyright. They spent years researching and developing their book. It is their work and they should be compensated for it. Most do not mind it you ask to use parts of their book, but they will mind it you take all of their hard work and give it away. Most libraries will let you copy part or pieces of books but they don't like you copying the whole book. Yes genealogy is about sharing. But sharing your work and not someone else's without their permission. I had a cousin steal ten years of my hard work and put her name to it!! That was not fair to me. Anyone who has done a lot of research or put out a book knows what hard, long and tedious work it is. Try sitting and transcribing whole census records, marriage books, wills, land records, and birth and death records. Not just one or two but the whole thing!! It is very time consuming and tiring work. Try researching to write a book about the Civil War, WWI, or WWII, it takes a very long time to do these things. No one would like to work that hard and then have someone just give away all their hard work. Some people do this for a living to feed their children, pay their bills, just like a lot of you get up and go to your job everyday to pay these things. It is like working for a company for 10 years, being a dedicated and loyal employee, doing your job well and to the best of your ability, and then showing up to work one day to find out you no longer have a job because you were replayed by someone who could do the work cheaper than what you were being paid and with less benefits. You would not like that very much at all considering all the time you spent doing this job and now someone is doing it cheaper. Now you have to figure where your next paycheck is coming from. Now put yourself in the authors place. So let's be fair to everyone. If you use someone else's research check with them first. It is the only descent thing to do. Sorry if I offended anyone or upset anyone for that was not my intentions at all. Just trying to clarify what Karen is saying and I agree with her. Best Regards to All, Belinda savadge@alltel.net -----Original Message----- From: Sandra and Larry Franklin <franklin@choicetech.net> To: GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com <GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 8:11 PM Subject: Re: A statement to the list >I'm not sure what is going on here, but if we are talking about cemetery >records and county history books those historical records belong to the >people no matter who published them, not to mention the increase in >sales to the historical societies because people find out that they >exist. On the other hand, I own a family genealogy book written by a >family member, and I offer information from it with her permission. >After all, her goal is to increase in knowledge and the only way to do >that in genealogy is to let people know what you know and vice versa. I >don't know about the UGA Library. I do know that they allow you to copy >material from their research books because I have done it. We're not >talking about famous classic novels here. This is people who research >people and common sense dictates that we get permission if we believe we >should have it, otherwise, I can't think of anyone who has the corner on >my family members. After all, my great-great grandfather doesn't just >belong to me. Sandi > >"Karen T.Ledford" wrote: >> >> I am sorry if the statement I made the other day about copyright >> infringements have some of you so upset. >> >> I wasn't trying to intimidate anyone. Go ahead and post what you want >> to. It certainly has been under discussion on other lists about this >> very thing and it has been a mess and caused some real confusion. >> >> I still believe if you start posting information to a public list out of >> a copyrighted book that you are breaking the copyright. I will let the >> author of the book that it happens to take their own course of action. >> As long as it isn't my book, I won't concern myself. >> >> I certainly can tell you that someone on another list offered to do >> lookups out of a book she had to the public and the University of Ga. >> Library stepped in on the list and said, "hey we own the copyright on >> this book you are offering to do lookups out of and they were saying >> you can't do this. You can argue this with them if you wish. I figure >> the >> certainly know what they are talking about. >> >> I must add here if researchers and authors who spend years compiling >> this information that you use for your work wanted to give it away they >> would post it themselves to the internet. If you would sometime go and >> price what it takes to publish a book. Thousands of dollars and years >> and years of research will certainly make any author very unhappy to >> see their work made public in the way that we are talking about here. I >> am not the only one who thinks in this way so don't put me in the >> minority of ONE. >> >> It was NOT my book, that was being offered, I was only trying to tell >> the list what I know and understand to be the case. I certainly had >> nothing to gain or to loose by what I said. >> >> So don't let me stand in the way of anything here. Go ahead and do what >> you want to. Post what you want to. You certainly won't get any >> oppostion from me. >> >> I assure you my post was with the best intentions and not meant to harm >> anyone but to be helpful. >> >> Karen T. Ledford/Toccoa, Ga. >

I'm not sure what is going on here, but if we are talking about cemetery records and county history books those historical records belong to the people no matter who published them, not to mention the increase in sales to the historical societies because people find out that they exist. On the other hand, I own a family genealogy book written by a family member, and I offer information from it with her permission. After all, her goal is to increase in knowledge and the only way to do that in genealogy is to let people know what you know and vice versa. I don't know about the UGA Library. I do know that they allow you to copy material from their research books because I have done it. We're not talking about famous classic novels here. This is people who research people and common sense dictates that we get permission if we believe we should have it, otherwise, I can't think of anyone who has the corner on my family members. After all, my great-great grandfather doesn't just belong to me. Sandi "Karen T.Ledford" wrote: > > I am sorry if the statement I made the other day about copyright > infringements have some of you so upset. > > I wasn't trying to intimidate anyone. Go ahead and post what you want > to. It certainly has been under discussion on other lists about this > very thing and it has been a mess and caused some real confusion. > > I still believe if you start posting information to a public list out of > a copyrighted book that you are breaking the copyright. I will let the > author of the book that it happens to take their own course of action. > As long as it isn't my book, I won't concern myself. > > I certainly can tell you that someone on another list offered to do > lookups out of a book she had to the public and the University of Ga. > Library stepped in on the list and said, "hey we own the copyright on > this book you are offering to do lookups out of and they were saying > you can't do this. You can argue this with them if you wish. I figure > the > certainly know what they are talking about. > > I must add here if researchers and authors who spend years compiling > this information that you use for your work wanted to give it away they > would post it themselves to the internet. If you would sometime go and > price what it takes to publish a book. Thousands of dollars and years > and years of research will certainly make any author very unhappy to > see their work made public in the way that we are talking about here. I > am not the only one who thinks in this way so don't put me in the > minority of ONE. > > It was NOT my book, that was being offered, I was only trying to tell > the list what I know and understand to be the case. I certainly had > nothing to gain or to loose by what I said. > > So don't let me stand in the way of anything here. Go ahead and do what > you want to. Post what you want to. You certainly won't get any > oppostion from me. > > I assure you my post was with the best intentions and not meant to harm > anyone but to be helpful. > > Karen T. Ledford/Toccoa, Ga.

Hi, I am trying to find information on James Nicholas COILE b. 1828 in Madison Co. He md. Susan Elvira MCCURDY 1849. His parents were Warren COILE and Matilda WEBB. I have been unable to find any siblings for James Nicholas. Any help will be appreciated. Shirley Flynt

I am sorry if the statement I made the other day about copyright infringements have some of you so upset. I wasn't trying to intimidate anyone. Go ahead and post what you want to. It certainly has been under discussion on other lists about this very thing and it has been a mess and caused some real confusion. I still believe if you start posting information to a public list out of a copyrighted book that you are breaking the copyright. I will let the author of the book that it happens to take their own course of action. As long as it isn't my book, I won't concern myself. I certainly can tell you that someone on another list offered to do lookups out of a book she had to the public and the University of Ga. Library stepped in on the list and said, "hey we own the copyright on this book you are offering to do lookups out of and they were saying you can't do this. You can argue this with them if you wish. I figure the certainly know what they are talking about. I must add here if researchers and authors who spend years compiling this information that you use for your work wanted to give it away they would post it themselves to the internet. If you would sometime go and price what it takes to publish a book. Thousands of dollars and years and years of research will certainly make any author very unhappy to see their work made public in the way that we are talking about here. I am not the only one who thinks in this way so don't put me in the minority of ONE. It was NOT my book, that was being offered, I was only trying to tell the list what I know and understand to be the case. I certainly had nothing to gain or to loose by what I said. So don't let me stand in the way of anything here. Go ahead and do what you want to. Post what you want to. You certainly won't get any oppostion from me. I assure you my post was with the best intentions and not meant to harm anyone but to be helpful. Karen T. Ledford/Toccoa, Ga.

Dennis: Thanks for the kind offer to do look-ups on GA marriages. I'm looking for marriage dates for Sarah (nee) TOLBERT and Sarah___ to Tolbert (there were 2 of them) in Madison and Jackson Co., GA. Jane -----Original Message----- From: dennis e. gueth [mailto:dgueth@athens.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 1:15 PM To: GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: GA Marriages: 1811-1820 I just received a copy of "Georgia Marriages: 1811-1820" compiled by Mary B. Warren (1988). I am willing to do lookups for specific persons. Please provide as much info as possible. Dennis E. Gueth

Carol - yes, you're right it would be a likely post for the Ayers group. Stokes list? To my knowledge this is not just a Sokes list - it is the Madison Co., GA list. A request for Hemphill information came to me within this Madison Co., GA list. Jane -----Original Message----- From: Evergreen [mailto:76143.252@compuserve.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 1999 8:19 PM To: GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Hemphill/Ayers - Long Post This is certainly a most interesting family history file, but wouldn't you be more likely to get the results you want in a HEMPHILL or AYERS discussion group than here on a STOKES list? Carol Stokes ______________________________

I don't have CARRUTH but do have a CARUTHERS, William who marr. Betty Frances Parks b.1931. The had children but I don't have names or other Caruthers info. Betty is the child of Horace Newton Parks b.1906 and Mattie Lee McCormack. I have the Parks back to 1658 and their arrival in VA. STEPHENS: I have STEPHENS folks in the following lines: Hightower, Holland, Miller, Tolbert, Garth, French, Ayers, Hill, Goad, Skinner STEVENS: I have 34 names, most of which are in my WHITEHEAD lines in Stephens/Habersham Co. Some were in other counties. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <AtlsShrggd@aol.com> To: <GAMADISO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 1999 10:21 AM Subject: 1850 Madison County Census > I have just received a copy of the 1850 Census for Madison County that has > been transcribed and alphabetized. It also contains an index of those with > different last names living in the households of others. Parts of it have > been cross-referenced to marriage and birth records and those comments added. > > > I'd be happy to do look-ups for list-members as time permits, I just ask for > your patience - I read quickly but type poorly. > > My own query for the list is regarding the CARRUTH and/or STEPHENS families. > > My Elmira A. CARRUTH married Zadoc D. STEPHENS in November 1836. I am > seeking parents for both of them. There are a couple of 'candidates' in the > 1850 Census: > > Does any list-member have add'l information about a William CARRUTH married > in 1798 in Oglethorpe County, GA to an Elizabeth McENDER? William and > Elizabeth are 73 and 72 (both born in NC) respectively in the 1850 Census and > could be Elmira's parents.... I don't have any other leads at this point. > > Candidates for Zadoc STEPHENS' parents: > > Not in the 1850 Census for Madison County, but there is a marriage record for > a Stephen STEPHENS to a Ruthy BRAGG in Madison County on May 3, 1813 (Zadoc > was born ABT 1815 in GA) - this could fit... > > There is a James STEPHENS (b in VA, age 61 in 1850) married to Sarah SORROW > (b. in GA, age 56 in 1850) married "Oglethorpe County, 1815-16?... also a > possibility. > > Any insight, suggestions, leads greatly appreciated. Happy to share > descendants if any interest. > > Nikki Neal ALLEN > AtlsShrggd@aol.com > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ ______________________________

I wonder if we might make ourselves aware that posting information from another person's published works is an infringement on their copyright. An author has no control over what you do by private e-mail but I still think that it is not right to give away that person's work. I am an author myself and I would very much resent my book being used in this way. YOu might consider turning around the situation and thinking about it this way....you have spent 8 to 10 years compiling information and publishing at great expense the efforts of your labor then someone buys the book or books and makes it public information. This isn't right. This is food for thought. Consider carefully before you do it. Karen T. Ledford/Toccoa, Ga. "http://www.hartcom.net/~scv935/grey"

I just received a copy of "Georgia Marriages: 1811-1820" compiled by Mary B. Warren (1988). I am willing to do lookups for specific persons. Please provide as much info as possible. Dennis E. Gueth

Good Grief! You're absolutely right! Don't know how I got on this thing by mistake. Would somebody please tell me how to unsubscribe from this list? TIA, Carol

Oops! Looks like my mistake -- sorry. :-( Seems I need a little guidance here. I thought this was a discussion list for the STOKES surname, no? Is this a Madison County discussion list? TIA, Carol

Jane, I have James H. Tolbert married Sivilia Owen (my great aunt) 20 Feb 1887 Madison County. They were listed in the 1900 census with five children. OABernsen Jane wrote: > Nikki: > > Thanks for the offer to do look-ups. Were there any TOLBERT/TALBERTs still > in Madison Co. in 1850 - most of them moved on to Jackson Co., GA. > > Jane

This is certainly a most interesting family history file, but wouldn't you be more likely to get the results you want in a HEMPHILL or AYERS discussion group than here on a STOKES list? Carol Stokes

I'm sure there were a good many Stokes people in Madison County ..... but that doesn't make the Madison County list a Stokes' List ..... *g*

Nikki: Thanks for the offer to do look-ups. Were there any TOLBERT/TALBERTs still in Madison Co. in 1850 - most of them moved on to Jackson Co., GA. Jane