Gordon Owen wrote: > Linda: > * Since they were mostly Scots who had spent a generation in Ireland I > can see the strong protestantism, but how did they all get to be > Baptists? Churches were originally built in the hill just to get togther and worship God - no denominations, no preachers. The denomination came from the first preacher to ride through. - Around here that was usually Baptist or Methodist. > * Regarding the split of a couple decades later, and the idea that half > the congregation were getting tired of the constant pro-slavery sermons, > is this based on something as nifty as diary entries or sermon notes or > is it passed-down information from oldtimers? info from "Beginnings: A History of the Baptist Church in Transylvania County 1795-1865 by Alse Franklin Gavin. A very well researched book with solid documentation. Keep in mind, that means it also has the bias of the documentation. So That of Cathey's Creek records claim that they were the first church and New Prospect split off becuase they were currently involved in a nasty feud, the bias would be carried into her book. Ray Von is they one who started speculating that the split might have gone the other direction. > * There's got to be a great novel or screenplay lurking under surface > of your the last paragraph. Nope - no shooting <g> . Go to Pinhook - the church has been burned down three times, the cemetery vandalizaed twice, and local houses have bullet holes over some sort of family feud. I have't been daring enough as to enquire about the specifics. > * You say that "Of course, Ray Von Galloway was the cause of the split > between Macedonia & Mtn View Baptist Churches...." Who the heck was Ray, > how does he fit in, and could "Von" be just a variant of "Vaughn"? I hadn't thought about that. This Ray Von got his name from another Ray Von. Ray Von Galloway was the person who dared to preach Pentacostal doctrine from a Baptist pulpit. You have to admire him for sticking with his beliefs. He is a really nice guy, and his Mother and Step-Father are the oldest folks in the community and were the ones who finally told me where Ninive was (Tanasee gap Road aboutish where Woods memorial church is +/- two three miles or so if you ever find it listed in your documents). > I'm new enough to all this that I've been assuming that everyone > involved in tracking down their McCall/Galloway/Owen ancestors in or > from Transylvania county already knows everyone else involved. NOBODY has ever sorted out ALL the Owens, Galloways, McCalls, or any other family which settled in the area before 1850. If any one ever makes this claim, run away quickly and guard your wallet. Also look around upper SC for Galloways - they settled on the state line just to make research more difficult. > Could it be that the readers of the Galloway list aren't generally familiar > with Shawna's database and related xxxx.rtf files? If so, the current > Galloways of Fannin County, Georgia, (who cite Transylvania County as > the place where their ancestor was born) would likely be as fascinated > by Shawna's data as I was in learning about previously unknown cousins > in Georgia. Ditto for the bunch in Texas and the Pacific Northwest. This is a New e-mail list - we are all punching in cousins as fast as we can swap them. Still, very incomplete. > Two questions for either Linda or Shawna: > > 1. Several miles down 64 from the Rosman/Brevard area there's a village > of mostly Owens who are potters. Can't remember the name of the town, > but in the late 80s National Geographic had a great article with > pictures of them and their pottery. They've got to be relatives partly > because they're so close and (more convincing to me) the photos of their > kids look like they could have been me or my brother. Do either of you > know of a tie in to these people? (i.e., which g- g- g- grand uncle Owen > packed up and took his Galloway/Parker/McCall bride two wagon greasings > downn the road?) Don't know about pottery, but... James "Jimmie" Owen (04APR1817-23MAR1899) m. Elizabeth Parker (04OCT1816-23MAR1899). They were first cousins. Jimmie accidently shot a "Cherokee Cheif" while serving on the military side of "The Trail of Tears". fearing that the remaining Cherokee would kill him, he fled with his family to towns Co, GA. One of his sons (not sure which), did manage to lope with his girlfriend on the way. Jimmie was the brother of Andrew Jackson Owen. > 2. I've grown up hearing about being 1/4 or 5/16 Cherokee. Yet the > records show nothing to speak of. Maybe I'm just being dense, but can > either of you give me a clue? Is it just shying away from the fact that > bureaucrats in the eastern part of the state kept inter-racial marriage > illegal until 1953? The threat of one drop of Cherokee blood earning you a one way trip to Oklahoma was very real until the late 1800's. So everyone falsified documents all over the place. The victors write the history, and now everyone tends to interpret these documents from a european perspective. Keep in mind it may be only one side of the story. As for inter-racial marriage. If you were a teenager living here before say 1805, unless you wanted to take a vow of chastity, you had no problem with inter-racial marriage. I'm sure your research has already prooved that chastity was not widely practiced. The result is that we are a bunch of mutts. For you case specifically, there are a lot of Cherokee rumors about the Parker family in particular so you might want to look there and let me know if you find anything. > Linda, please use your own judgment on whether any of this or your > responses should go to the Galloway list. For my own part, race, > religion, illegitimacy or even horsethieving aren't offensive subjects. > The Galloway list was formed to finally get at the truth about our ancestors. If our Ancestors were great people, let us continue their greatness. If our Ancestors had human faults as we do, let us work to overcome them for the future. -- Linda Hoxit Raxter lraxter@citcom.net See Indexed Western North Carolina Cemetery Surveys http://www.geocities.com/~alextreehouse related to at least half the county - at least once ; )