Hello Nick Story time: As a boy, an ancestor of mine grabbed and baptized a Jewish playmate in Grabinka Creek on the way home from school. He intentions were innocent enough; he figured Heaven wouldn't be much fun unless his buddy Moishe was with him there too. However, upon hearing of the event, his parents and the parish priest immediately rushed over to the offended parents home offering apologies and words of comfort. That's just one example of the respect shown by Poles to Jews (and vice versa) for another person's religion in Galicia. Respect and tolerance were important ingredients in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And that's the tradition that was passed down to me. End of story. My ancestor got a good scolding and a couple of swats on his bottom for his misdeed. What should be done with a large organization which knows that its practice of secret proxy baptisms offends others, has promised not to do so, and is caught doing it again and again? In this case, it appears that only litigation in a court of law will halt the Mormon practice. Anne Frank and David Ben-Gurion are among the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were posthumously forcibly "baptized" by the Mormons. To you it might be a joke, but it is not at all amusing to Holocaust survivors, their families, and others. Have you no compassion for them and their feelings? You keep missing the point. It's really not about religion, God, or Heaven. It is about us - our conduct and relationships with our fellow men. Your concept of respect and tolerance differs greatly from mine. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick bulka" <nick@bulka.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Catholic church to keep records from Mormons > Hi Dennis! > > Yes, it is hilarious to me. After all, what difference does it make if > they > baptize people that God has already judged? Do you think God will change > his > mind? > > And no, I don't find it disrespectful if the Mormons truly think they are > helping people get into heaven. Actually, it shows quite a bit of > respect. > > How many thousands (or millions) of people have Catholics "converted" over > the centuries through force, humiliation, and downright deception? Isn't > that disrespectful? > > nick > > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> No Nick, it is not hilarious. It is all about respect, respect for your >> word >> and respect for others. The Church of Latter Day Saints secretly and >> unilaterally abrogated an agreement reached in May 1995 to stop >> performing >> "proxy baptisms" and they are now being held accountable. This is a very >> serious issue for Catholics and Jews. >> >> Don't you find it disrespectful and insulting to Jews that the Church of >> Latter Day Saints surreptitiously performed proxy baptisms for nearly a >> half >> million Jewish holocaust victims? >> >> By the way, your view of Vatican doctrine is skewed. The Catholic Church >> does not hold the Mormon baptism of the living, much less the dead, to be >> a >> valid form of baptism. Like I said, the real issue here is respect. >> >> Dennis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nick bulka" <nick@bulka.com> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Catholic church to keep records from Mormons >> >> >> > This is hilarious. This means the Vatican actually believes that the >> > Mormon >> > "rebaptisms" actually mean something to God. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ken Sigmund <cub2544@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> [Also posted to LDS-GENEALOGY] >> >> >> >> The following is from the 16 May 2008 issue of *The Catholic Witness*. >> >> The >> >> story was also covered by the *Deseret Morning News* on 04 May. >> >> >> >> I am flabbergasted... >> >> ----- >> >> >> >> *Bishops to Keep Records from Mormons* >> >> In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus >> >> Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world >> >> have >> >> been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish >> >> registers >> >> to >> >> the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the >> >> Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by *Catholic News Service* >> >> in >> >> late >> >> April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the >> >> Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information >> >> contained >> >> in >> >> those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" >> >> expressed >> >> in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of >> the >> >> Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, >> >> executive >> >> director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and >> >> Interreligious >> >> Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from >> >> using >> >> records - such as baptismal documentation - to posthumously baptize by >> >> proxy >> >> the ancestors of Church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have >> >> been >> >> a >> >> common practice for the Latter-day Saints - commonly known as >> >> Mormons - >> >> for >> >> more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their >> >> ancestors >> >> baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said >> >> Mike >> >> Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters. >> >> ********************************* >> >> Need to contact the list manager? >> >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ********************************* >> > Need to contact the list manager? >> > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dennis, You didn't answer my question, buddy. Here it is again (rephrased): Which shows more respect: baptizing people posthumously in the hope of saving their soul (Mormons), or murder, deceit, forced conversions, religious wars, and child abuse (Catholics)? Was the Spanish Inquisition respectful? How about the Crusades? And how about all the poor children that were abused by Catholic priests? Every pope since Pope Pius XII, including the current one, were complicit in child abuse because they were aware of the abusive priests, and when they found out about a priest abusing kids, all they did was send him to a new parish (where he had lots of new victims). Very respectful. You shouldn't expect respect when you don't respect others. That's why I find this whole thing hilarious. The Catholic Church is falling apart, dealing with legal issues resulting from not only child abuse but also the cover-ups, going bankrupt, losing members left and right, and they choose to spend their time on silly issues like proxy baptism, which mean absolutely nothing when it comes to salvation, which is the purpose of the Church, isn't it? -nick