Hi Dennis, Thanks very much for all the info. Do you you about what time period Germanic settlements began appearing. the families I am researching were all Roman Catholic. I am hoping that there might be church records going back to the origins of the villages, but don't know what time frame that might be. Again, thank you! --Karen On May 6, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Dennis Benarz wrote: > Karen > > Yes, and "die deutschen Siedlungen" (the Germanic settlements) near > Mielec > were: Hohenbach, Padew Kolonia, Josefsdorf, Tuszow Kolonia, > Schonanger, > Czermin, Preppendorf, Deutsche Ostrau, and Goleschau. > > A Germanic digression: The owner of one of the noble estates in my > ancestral > parish, SSW of Mielec, was a Stubenvoll. While he had a Germanic > name, he > remained a Polish patriot. During WWII, he told his farm hands to > simply > turned their backs and say nothing when Jews, fugitives of the > Nazis, took > food from his fields or slept in his barns. He also regularly > invited German > officers from Debica to dine and party at his manorhouse, then > dutifully > reported whatever they said to the AK (Polish underground army). > However, > the communist Polish puppet government seized all of his property > without > compensation at the conclusion of the war anyway. I think there's > an old > communist saying: No good deeds go unpunished. > > For a good map of the Germanic settlements in Galicia, visit: > http://www.semanchuk.com/gen/maps/unterschutz.html It is an > extremely large > download. Please be patient. > > A much earlier campaign of recruiting Germanic (and other) > immigrants to > settle SE Poland was conducted by King Kazimierz Wielki in the > 1350s. The > Kingdom of Poland was still under-populated following the Mongol > Invasions > in the 13th Century. And the legacy of those early Germanic > settlers is > still detectable in certain local surnames and place names. You > merely need > a keen eye and good ear to rediscover them. > > Good luck in your research. > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Preston" <vegaskaren@gmail.com> > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:33 PM > Subject: [GALICIA] Germans in Galicia > > > I am new to the list and to research in Poland/Galicia. I am tracing > my husband's family who came from the small towns of Tuszow, > Josephdorf, Schönanger & Padew in the Mielec area. > > I was surprised to find so many German surnames. > > I am familiar with Austrian State sponsored settlement of Germanic > people from the Rheinland and Pfalz into Hungary, from researching my > mother's family. Was the same State sponsored settlement done in > Galicia? When did this start? Can you point me to a good source for > more info? > > I am researching Malczynski, Trautmann, Wertz & Krupska. > > Many thanks for any help! > --Karen

Hi Karen There was no single "Big Bang" event regarding the Germanic settlements in Galicia; it was a ongoing, continuous process. Following the First Partition of Poland in 1772, Austrian Empress Maria Theresa issued the first settlement document in 1774, followed by another one issued in 1781 by Emperor Joseph II. So, you'd really have to research the history of each village to determine when Germanic settlers arrived there, but Hohenbach and Schonanger (both near Mielec) were among the early ones coming into existence (i.e., before 1800). Tuszow Kolonia was chartered by Emperor Joseph II between 1783-85 and settled by a number of Bavarians while Padew Kolonia was chartered by Emperor Joseph II in 1786, I think. Besides, the reality of the situation was this. The Austrians were afraid that, in the event of a war, their Crownland of Galicia was indefensible and would quickly be occupied by any invader. Hence, the Austrian government made little or no financial investments in it. They made the decision to invest their money elsewhere in the Empire. However, if Germanic folks thought they could make a living by settling there at their own expense, then that was certainly in the best interests of Emperor of Austria. The Roman Catholic parishes (and addresses) that your ancestors attended follow: Padew Kolonia - at Padew Narodowa (Diocese of Sandomierz) Swietego Bartlomieja Apostola (Saint Bartholomew, Apostle) 39-340 Padew Narodowa 225 Podkarpackie POLAND Josefsdorf and Tuszow Kolonia - at Jaslany (Diocese of Sandomierz) Niepokalananego Poczecia Najswietszej Maryi Panny (Immaculate Conception of the BVM) Jaslany 395 39-332 Tuszow Narodowy Podkarpackie POLAND Shonanger - at Borowa (Diocese of Tarnow) Sw. Mikolaja B. (St. Nicholas, Bishop) 39-305 Borowa k. Mielka 273 Podkarpackie POLAND Padew Kolonia is mentioned in "Special Orts Repertorium v. Galizien" (Vienna, 1886) as having 62 homes and 392 residents. But the further statistical breakdowns are interesting. Of these, 187 were male and 205 female. Of these, 180 were Roman Catholic, 25 Jewish, and 185 Protestant. Of these, 321 were "Polish" and 67 were "Germanic". So, although it may have been chartered as a Germanic settlement, Padew Kolonia certainly wasn't exclusively Germanic. Jaslany Parish is a rather recent addition, founded in 1888 and the current church built in 1904. Before that, it was a part of Chorzelow Parish. Alas, my eyes are growing tired and my crystal ball is fading. You'll have to check the online LDS library catalog yourself for the availability and catalog numbers for microfilms of the parish parish. Cheers and good luck! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Preston" <vegaskaren@gmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Germans in Galicia Hi Dennis, Thanks very much for all the info. Do you you about what time period Germanic settlements began appearing. the families I am researching were all Roman Catholic. I am hoping that there might be church records going back to the origins of the villages, but don't know what time frame that might be. Again, thank you! --Karen On May 6, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Dennis Benarz wrote: > Karen > > Yes, and "die deutschen Siedlungen" (the Germanic settlements) near > Mielec > were: Hohenbach, Padew Kolonia, Josefsdorf, Tuszow Kolonia, > Schonanger, > Czermin, Preppendorf, Deutsche Ostrau, and Goleschau. > > A Germanic digression: The owner of one of the noble estates in my > ancestral > parish, SSW of Mielec, was a Stubenvoll. While he had a Germanic > name, he > remained a Polish patriot. During WWII, he told his farm hands to > simply > turned their backs and say nothing when Jews, fugitives of the > Nazis, took > food from his fields or slept in his barns. He also regularly > invited German > officers from Debica to dine and party at his manorhouse, then > dutifully > reported whatever they said to the AK (Polish underground army). > However, > the communist Polish puppet government seized all of his property > without > compensation at the conclusion of the war anyway. I think there's > an old > communist saying: No good deeds go unpunished. > > For a good map of the Germanic settlements in Galicia, visit: > http://www.semanchuk.com/gen/maps/unterschutz.html It is an > extremely large > download. Please be patient. > > A much earlier campaign of recruiting Germanic (and other) > immigrants to > settle SE Poland was conducted by King Kazimierz Wielki in the > 1350s. The > Kingdom of Poland was still under-populated following the Mongol > Invasions > in the 13th Century. And the legacy of those early Germanic > settlers is > still detectable in certain local surnames and place names. You > merely need > a keen eye and good ear to rediscover them. > > Good luck in your research. > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Preston" <vegaskaren@gmail.com> > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:33 PM > Subject: [GALICIA] Germans in Galicia > > > I am new to the list and to research in Poland/Galicia. I am tracing > my husband's family who came from the small towns of Tuszow, > Josephdorf, Schönanger & Padew in the Mielec area. > > I was surprised to find so many German surnames. > > I am familiar with Austrian State sponsored settlement of Germanic > people from the Rheinland and Pfalz into Hungary, from researching my > mother's family. Was the same State sponsored settlement done in > Galicia? When did this start? Can you point me to a good source for > more info? > > I am researching Malczynski, Trautmann, Wertz & Krupska. > > Many thanks for any help! > --Karen ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? 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Hi Dennis, And, again, thank you very much for all the additional info; especially the parish addresses. I will check for microfilm first, and then contact the parishes to fill-in the gaps. I found the info on the colonizations under Maria Theresa and Joseph II very interesting and very familiar. In completely unrelated family lines, I have been doing a lot of research on the ethnic Germans that colonized the Hungarian plains after the Austrian Empire defeated the Turks. In this case, the Austrian government poured a lot of money into the support of the colonies, including provisions for housing, farm land, and providing tools for craftsman like cabinetmakers and masons. They also received exemptions from taxes and military service for some number of years in return for settling the land. I guess that the government looked at this part of Hungary as the first line of defense against a re-invasion by the Turks. It is interesting to see that the 2 geographic regions would be regarded so differently. Ahh, politics! I really appreciate all of your help!!! --Karen On May 6, 2008, at 7:12 PM, Dennis Benarz wrote: > Hi Karen > > There was no single "Big Bang" event regarding the Germanic > settlements in > Galicia; it was a ongoing, continuous process. Following the First > Partition > of Poland in 1772, Austrian Empress Maria Theresa issued the first > settlement document in 1774, followed by another one issued in 1781 by > Emperor Joseph II. So, you'd really have to research the history of > each > village to determine when Germanic settlers arrived there, but > Hohenbach and > Schonanger (both near Mielec) were among the early ones coming into > existence (i.e., before 1800). Tuszow Kolonia was chartered by Emperor > Joseph II between 1783-85 and settled by a number of Bavarians > while Padew > Kolonia was chartered by Emperor Joseph II in 1786, I think. > > Besides, the reality of the situation was this. The Austrians were > afraid > that, in the event of a war, their Crownland of Galicia was > indefensible and > would quickly be occupied by any invader. Hence, the Austrian > government > made little or no financial investments in it. They made the > decision to > invest their money elsewhere in the Empire. However, if Germanic folks > thought they could make a living by settling there at their own > expense, > then that was certainly in the best interests of Emperor of Austria. > > The Roman Catholic parishes (and addresses) that your ancestors > attended > follow: > > Padew Kolonia - at Padew Narodowa (Diocese of Sandomierz) > > Swietego Bartlomieja Apostola (Saint Bartholomew, Apostle) > 39-340 Padew Narodowa 225 > Podkarpackie > POLAND > > Josefsdorf and Tuszow Kolonia - at Jaslany (Diocese of Sandomierz) > > Niepokalananego Poczecia Najswietszej Maryi Panny (Immaculate > Conception of > the BVM) > Jaslany 395 > 39-332 Tuszow Narodowy > Podkarpackie > POLAND > > Shonanger - at Borowa (Diocese of Tarnow) > > Sw. Mikolaja B. (St. Nicholas, Bishop) > 39-305 Borowa k. Mielka 273 > Podkarpackie > POLAND > > Padew Kolonia is mentioned in "Special Orts Repertorium v. Galizien" > (Vienna, 1886) as having 62 homes and 392 residents. But the further > statistical breakdowns are interesting. Of these, 187 were male and > 205 > female. Of these, 180 were Roman Catholic, 25 Jewish, and 185 > Protestant. > Of these, 321 were "Polish" and 67 were "Germanic". So, although > it may > have been chartered as a Germanic settlement, Padew Kolonia > certainly wasn't > exclusively Germanic. > > Jaslany Parish is a rather recent addition, founded in 1888 and the > current > church built in 1904. Before that, it was a part of Chorzelow Parish. > > Alas, my eyes are growing tired and my crystal ball is fading. > You'll have > to check the online LDS library catalog yourself for the > availability and > catalog numbers for microfilms of the parish parish. > > Cheers and good luck! > > Dennis > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Preston" <vegaskaren@gmail.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:39 PM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Germans in Galicia > > > Hi Dennis, > > Thanks very much for all the info. Do you you about what time period > Germanic settlements began appearing. the families I am researching > were all Roman Catholic. I am hoping that there might be church > records going back to the origins of the villages, but don't know > what time frame that might be. > > Again, thank you! > --Karen > > On May 6, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Dennis Benarz wrote: > >> Karen >> >> Yes, and "die deutschen Siedlungen" (the Germanic settlements) near >> Mielec >> were: Hohenbach, Padew Kolonia, Josefsdorf, Tuszow Kolonia, >> Schonanger, >> Czermin, Preppendorf, Deutsche Ostrau, and Goleschau. >> >> A Germanic digression: The owner of one of the noble estates in my >> ancestral >> parish, SSW of Mielec, was a Stubenvoll. While he had a Germanic >> name, he >> remained a Polish patriot. During WWII, he told his farm hands to >> simply >> turned their backs and say nothing when Jews, fugitives of the >> Nazis, took >> food from his fields or slept in his barns. He also regularly >> invited German >> officers from Debica to dine and party at his manorhouse, then >> dutifully >> reported whatever they said to the AK (Polish underground army). >> However, >> the communist Polish puppet government seized all of his property >> without >> compensation at the conclusion of the war anyway. I think there's >> an old >> communist saying: No good deeds go unpunished. >> >> For a good map of the Germanic settlements in Galicia, visit: >> http://www.semanchuk.com/gen/maps/unterschutz.html It is an >> extremely large >> download. Please be patient. >> >> A much earlier campaign of recruiting Germanic (and other) >> immigrants to >> settle SE Poland was conducted by King Kazimierz Wielki in the >> 1350s. The >> Kingdom of Poland was still under-populated following the Mongol >> Invasions >> in the 13th Century. And the legacy of those early Germanic >> settlers is >> still detectable in certain local surnames and place names. You >> merely need >> a keen eye and good ear to rediscover them. >> >> Good luck in your research. >> >> Dennis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Karen Preston" <vegaskaren@gmail.com> >> To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:33 PM >> Subject: [GALICIA] Germans in Galicia >> >> >> I am new to the list and to research in Poland/Galicia. I am tracing >> my husband's family who came from the small towns of Tuszow, >> Josephdorf, Schönanger & Padew in the Mielec area. >> >> I was surprised to find so many German surnames. >> >> I am familiar with Austrian State sponsored settlement of Germanic >> people from the Rheinland and Pfalz into Hungary, from researching my >> mother's family. Was the same State sponsored settlement done in >> Galicia? When did this start? Can you point me to a good source for >> more info? >> >> I am researching Malczynski, Trautmann, Wertz & Krupska. >> >> Many thanks for any help! >> --Karen > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GALICIA- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message