Hi Jeff My offer still stands. Give us the place name of your grandmother's village and I'll research it for you. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almrauscher" <almrauscher1@comcast.net> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Thanks. I do understand and am having enough trouble learning about my > polish roots. My point is that what ever I find is that much more for me > to > be proud of. > I know I have German, Scot/Irish and Polish heritage. My grandmother told > me > there was also some chek as well. If I find Jewish or anything I will > just > have that much more learning to do and be greatful. > Thanks > Jeff > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:23 PM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > >> In this matter, you can only speak for yourself. And only thorough >> research >> will reveal just how "mixed up" you are. >> >> Please keep in mind that the average resident of the Kingdom of Poland >> and >> the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth did not move around a lot. That is >> pretty >> true of most farmers everywhere in the 11th through 18th Centuries. >> >> With regards to the Poles of SE Poland (descendants of the West Slavic >> Wislanie tribe aka Vistulans) there is surprising homogeneity in their >> overall genetic make-up. Sure, you can find a smattering of Moravian >> here, >> some German there, and a dash of Hungarian added to the soup but not >> enough >> to call folks there ethnically "mixed". >> >> There are really only two ways to determine the likelihood of ethnic >> mixing >> in a particular family or geographic area. One is a careful study, going >> back a score of generations, of the genealogies of the persons involved >> with >> particular attention to the etymology of given names, surnames, and place >> names together with a thorough understanding of the local history of the >> geographic location. The other would be to undertake non-invasive genetic >> samplings of all the possible ethnic groups suspected to have been >> involved >> in any way with a particular locale. The results of either method are >> likely to produce only probabilities and not conclusive evidence. >> >> My research of my ancestral parish along the Wisloka River near Debica >> reveals evidence of some Germanic, Hungarian, and Roma mixing having >> occurred some centuries ago. It is apparent by merely looking at the >> names >> of the parishioners from an etymological viewpoint - you'll find the >> presence of folks named "Niemiec" (meaning "German") and Cygan (meaning >> "Roma") and "Ferenc" (meaning "Francis" in Hungarian) and others. From a >> historical viewpoint, you'll discover that our locale was raided by >> Moravians around 925 AD and by Hungarians around 1474 AD and by Swedes >> around 1655 AD. This might have provided an opportunity for ethnic >> "mixing". >> You'll find that King Casimir the Great invited immigrants from many >> lands >> to settle and pioneer our area in 1350 AD and many Saxons arrived shortly >> thereafter and eventually became part of our ethnic mix . And you'll find >> that in 1241 AD six Mongols were captured and forced to do farm work in >> our >> parish and they too might have added to our genetic soup. But the results >> of >> those mixings are hardly enough to call us, the descendants of the >> parish, >> anything but Poles. >> >> The point that I am trying to make is quite simple: Do your homework >> first, >> dream romantic fantasies later. Start with the village of your Polish >> grandmother and become the expert on that one place. What's the name of >> her >> village? I'll lend you a hand. >> >> Cheers! >> >> Dennis Benarz >> http://spuscizna.org/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Almrauscher" <almrauscher1@comcast.net> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >> >> >>>I do understand but also recognize that those countries peoples are so >>>mixed >>> up over the generations. we poles from the se area of galicia may have >>> chek, >>> ukraine or God knows what nationalities. I just know the more I learn >>> and >>> the more mixed up I am nationality wise the more I have to be proud of >>> and >>> more research over traditions, foods, drink way of life etc etc etc... I >>> am >>> happy about it >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> >>> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:06 AM >>> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >>> >>>

Really! Great! Ok here is what I have so far. My grandmothers maiden name was Helen Wrobel. I found a ship manifest that lists her as Hella Wrobel. Another document lists her as Helena Wrobel. She came to the US according to family stories in 1906. Also on a census it lists her as coming in 1906. The story is she came to the US in 1906 with her mother Mary, Maria,or Maryanna- Wrobel. Then returned to Poland to bring back her younger sister Fannie-I believe is Stephania born in 1903. I found as stated above a ship manifest on March 10,1907 from Bremen to New York. Next to her name is stamped return. next to her sister is stamped admitted. (another person has deported stamped next to their name) This indicates to me that she was here and this was a return trip to the US validating census info on arrival date and family oral tradition. Home is listed as Novy Lacz. But it is hard to read it may say NovySacz. Her application for Social Security lists home as Novy Sonch. I understand Novy Sacz,Novy Sonch has about 40 variant spellings. I would like to find Anton Wrobel's initial arrival in the us prior to 1/25/1901. I would like to find Mary Wrobel and Helen Wrobel arriving in 1906 I would like to find Victoria Lesaks initial arrival in US I would like to find Charles (Carl) Richard Wurzburg of Germany arrival in US I would like to find Elizabeth Lesak's arrival in US I would like to find her husband Sanislaw Nowak's arrival in US I would like to find Felix Lesaks arrival in US I would like to find Kazimierz(Casimir) Lesak's arrival in US (and wife Josephine) I would like to find Jan Lesak and wife Salameja arrival in US. Any information more on the Lesak and Wrobel family would be appreciated. 1/25/1901-I have found Maria (Lesak) Wrobel coming to the US ,NY,on SS LAHN, to visit Husband Anton Wrobel in Waterbury Conneticut. She has Jan andStanislava(may be Stella born 1900) with her. Lists Stanislava as 8 months. from Dorozce 1904/5- Casimir Lesak and wife Josephine come o US March 1906- oral tradition- Helen Wrobel comes to US with Mother Mary 1906 - Census of 1920 indicates initial immigration of Helen Wrobel in 1906, Citizenship papers indicate March 1906 as well. March 10,1907- Helen and Stanislava come to NY on SS Brandenburg from Bremen 7/13/1908 I find Charles Richard Wurzburg and Wife Victoria (Lesak) Wurzburg coming to the US with Stella on Graf Waldersee from Cuxhaven to NY 7/13/1908 I find Johann Wrobel coming to US on Graf Waldersee to NY to visit Uncle Richard Wurzburg. last in US 1902 Waterbury Connecticut visiting Father Anton Wrobel Johann was listed as Jan in 1901 May 20, 1909 -Maria Wrobel and Stephania from Bremen to Galveston on SS Koln from Kaduk Galicy. previous in US 1901/1908 1/11/1910 - Antoni Wrobel arrives from Bremen Germany to Galveston on Chemnitz from Dabrowka Galicy wih Weronika and Joseph May 3 1911- Franciszek and Michal arrive Galveston they are from Dabrowka Here is the family tree as I know it. Franciszek Lesak- Maria Domanski -Children -Maria, Victoria,Elizabeth,Felix,Franciszek,Kazimier,Jan,Karol Franciszek and Maria remained in Poland US MARIA LESAK ANTON WROBEL \ Helena Weronika(Winnie) Stanislava(Stella) Michal Franciszek John Jozeph Maria- Remained in Nysa , Husband; ____Kisza, 5/6 sons Jan,Jozef,Adam,Jerzy,Szezepan US Victoria Lesak Charles Richard Wurzburg US Elizabeth Lesak Stanislaw Nowak US Felix Lesak US Kazimir (Casimir)Lesak Josephine_____ US Jan Lesak Salameja_____ Poland-Krakow Karol Lesak Regina Szczep \Childern Karoline Lesak Husband Wincenty Mitka- 2 sons died WWII Marian Lesak Wife Weronika Garnalzi- son Janusz died in Childhood, Daughter Eva Lesak married Kazimierz Glowacki Poland-Novy Sacz Franciszek Lesak Maria ___(Krol?) / daughter Janina Lesak (Krol) Janina Lesak (Krol)/Tadeusz Zaranek- /Children Maria, Tadeusz, Karol, Edmund, Irena, Marta, Stamistawa - son Jozef Keller Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 6:48 AM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Hi Jeff > > My offer still stands. Give us the place name of your grandmother's > village > and I'll research it for you. > > Dennis