Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it. But, alas, it doesn't help anyone trying to decipher the nationalities given on the manifests at Ellis Island and the term "Austrian-Hungarian" as a nationality nor ethnicity ("race or people") never appears on the manifests. (And for this, we give thanks.) You will notice that "Austria-Hungary" is hyphenated and there's a reason for that. The two separate political entities became joined as a monarchic union in 1867 under the rule of the Hapsburgs. But, as dual monarchies, they each retained their own separate governments and territories. Galicia was Austrian. Slovakia was Hungarian. And Laurence was right. If this "monarchic union" concept is new or foreign to you, just wait until you begin researching the Union of Krewo or the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. In such unions, you will find that only some things are "united". Cheers! Dennis Benarz http://spuscizna.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almrauscher" <almrauscher1@comcast.net> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Laurence you are in error. Galicia was part of Austria-Hungary the > Hapsburg > empire. > Arch Duke France Ferdinand was assassinated in Boznia... He was a member > of > the Hapsburg family the rulers of Austria Hungary. Galicia was part of > Austria Hungary. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:22 AM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > >> Hometown for Remaks entering through Ellis Island was Zeteny, Hungary. >> Microfilm available from LDS. Links to message boards sent to Lou. >> >> Mary >> >> Laurence Krupnak wrote: >>> >>> Louis, >>> >>> Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. >>> Galicia was never part of Hungary. >>> >>> Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to >>> explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. >>> >>> _______ >>> >>> Lavrentiy Krupniak >>>

all of us of ancestors of galicia region of what is today poland.. ie Poland did not exist when my grandmother was living there. She was a citizen of austria hungary. I can calaim austriahungary along with my german irish scott- and yes polish ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it. But, alas, it doesn't > help > anyone trying to decipher the nationalities given on the manifests at > Ellis > Island and the term "Austrian-Hungarian" as a nationality nor ethnicity > ("race or people") never appears on the manifests. (And for this, we give > thanks.) > > You will notice that "Austria-Hungary" is hyphenated and there's a reason > for that. The two separate political entities became joined as a > monarchic > union in 1867 under the rule of the Hapsburgs. But, as dual monarchies, > they > each retained their own separate governments and territories. Galicia was > Austrian. Slovakia was Hungarian. And Laurence was right. > > If this "monarchic union" concept is new or foreign to you, just wait > until > you begin researching the Union of Krewo or the Polish-Lithuanian > Commonwealth. In such unions, you will find that only some things are > "united". > > Cheers! > > Dennis Benarz > http://spuscizna.org/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Almrauscher" <almrauscher1@comcast.net> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > >> Laurence you are in error. Galicia was part of Austria-Hungary the >> Hapsburg >> empire. >> Arch Duke France Ferdinand was assassinated in Boznia... He was a member >> of >> the Hapsburg family the rulers of Austria Hungary. Galicia was part of >> Austria Hungary. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >> >> >>> Hometown for Remaks entering through Ellis Island was Zeteny, Hungary. >>> Microfilm available from LDS. Links to message boards sent to Lou. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Laurence Krupnak wrote: >>>> >>>> Louis, >>>> >>>> Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. >>>> Galicia was never part of Hungary. >>>> >>>> Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to >>>> explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. >>>> >>>> _______ >>>> >>>> Lavrentiy Krupniak >>>> > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

oh forgot and have claimed austrohungarian as well as my Polish roots due to this political situation under the Hapsburgs just one more thing for me to be proud of... and if I find jewish roots that too just more to be proud of. Jeff just a different view of the same thing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it. But, alas, it doesn't > help > anyone trying to decipher the nationalities given on the manifests at > Ellis > Island and the term "Austrian-Hungarian" as a nationality nor ethnicity > ("race or people") never appears on the manifests. (And for this, we give > thanks.) > > You will notice that "Austria-Hungary" is hyphenated and there's a reason > for that. The two separate political entities became joined as a > monarchic > union in 1867 under the rule of the Hapsburgs. But, as dual monarchies, > they > each retained their own separate governments and territories. Galicia was > Austrian. Slovakia was Hungarian. And Laurence was right. > > If this "monarchic union" concept is new or foreign to you, just wait > until > you begin researching the Union of Krewo or the Polish-Lithuanian > Commonwealth. In such unions, you will find that only some things are > "united". > > Cheers! > > Dennis Benarz > http://spuscizna.org/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Almrauscher" <almrauscher1@comcast.net> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > >> Laurence you are in error. Galicia was part of Austria-Hungary the >> Hapsburg >> empire. >> Arch Duke France Ferdinand was assassinated in Boznia... He was a member >> of >> the Hapsburg family the rulers of Austria Hungary. Galicia was part of >> Austria Hungary. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >> >> >>> Hometown for Remaks entering through Ellis Island was Zeteny, Hungary. >>> Microfilm available from LDS. Links to message boards sent to Lou. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Laurence Krupnak wrote: >>>> >>>> Louis, >>>> >>>> Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. >>>> Galicia was never part of Hungary. >>>> >>>> Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to >>>> explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. >>>> >>>> _______ >>>> >>>> Lavrentiy Krupniak >>>> > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I do understand but also recognize that those countries peoples are so mixed up over the generations. we poles from the se area of galicia may have chek, ukraine or God knows what nationalities. I just know the more I learn and the more mixed up I am nationality wise the more I have to be proud of and more research over traditions, foods, drink way of life etc etc etc... I am happy about it ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it. But, alas, it doesn't > help > anyone trying to decipher the nationalities given on the manifests at > Ellis > Island and the term "Austrian-Hungarian" as a nationality nor ethnicity > ("race or people") never appears on the manifests. (And for this, we give > thanks.) > > You will notice that "Austria-Hungary" is hyphenated and there's a reason > for that. The two separate political entities became joined as a > monarchic > union in 1867 under the rule of the Hapsburgs. But, as dual monarchies, > they > each retained their own separate governments and territories. Galicia was > Austrian. Slovakia was Hungarian. And Laurence was right. > > If this "monarchic union" concept is new or foreign to you, just wait > until > you begin researching the Union of Krewo or the Polish-Lithuanian > Commonwealth. In such unions, you will find that only some things are > "united". > > Cheers! > > Dennis Benarz > http://spuscizna.org/ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Almrauscher" <almrauscher1@comcast.net> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 10:04 PM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > >> Laurence you are in error. Galicia was part of Austria-Hungary the >> Hapsburg >> empire. >> Arch Duke France Ferdinand was assassinated in Boznia... He was a member >> of >> the Hapsburg family the rulers of Austria Hungary. Galicia was part of >> Austria Hungary. > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 10:22 AM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >> >> >>> Hometown for Remaks entering through Ellis Island was Zeteny, Hungary. >>> Microfilm available from LDS. Links to message boards sent to Lou. >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Laurence Krupnak wrote: >>>> >>>> Louis, >>>> >>>> Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. >>>> Galicia was never part of Hungary. >>>> >>>> Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to >>>> explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. >>>> >>>> _______ >>>> >>>> Lavrentiy Krupniak >>>> > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In this matter, you can only speak for yourself. And only thorough research will reveal just how "mixed up" you are. Please keep in mind that the average resident of the Kingdom of Poland and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth did not move around a lot. That is pretty true of most farmers everywhere in the 11th through 18th Centuries. With regards to the Poles of SE Poland (descendants of the West Slavic Wislanie tribe aka Vistulans) there is surprising homogeneity in their overall genetic make-up. Sure, you can find a smattering of Moravian here, some German there, and a dash of Hungarian added to the soup but not enough to call folks there ethnically "mixed". There are really only two ways to determine the likelihood of ethnic mixing in a particular family or geographic area. One is a careful study, going back a score of generations, of the genealogies of the persons involved with particular attention to the etymology of given names, surnames, and place names together with a thorough understanding of the local history of the geographic location. The other would be to undertake non-invasive genetic samplings of all the possible ethnic groups suspected to have been involved in any way with a particular locale. The results of either method are likely to produce only probabilities and not conclusive evidence. My research of my ancestral parish along the Wisloka River near Debica reveals evidence of some Germanic, Hungarian, and Roma mixing having occurred some centuries ago. It is apparent by merely looking at the names of the parishioners from an etymological viewpoint - you'll find the presence of folks named "Niemiec" (meaning "German") and Cygan (meaning "Roma") and "Ferenc" (meaning "Francis" in Hungarian) and others. From a historical viewpoint, you'll discover that our locale was raided by Moravians around 925 AD and by Hungarians around 1474 AD and by Swedes around 1655 AD. This might have provided an opportunity for ethnic "mixing". You'll find that King Casimir the Great invited immigrants from many lands to settle and pioneer our area in 1350 AD and many Saxons arrived shortly thereafter and eventually became part of our ethnic mix . And you'll find that in 1241 AD six Mongols were captured and forced to do farm work in our parish and they too might have added to our genetic soup. But the results of those mixings are hardly enough to call us, the descendants of the parish, anything but Poles. The point that I am trying to make is quite simple: Do your homework first, dream romantic fantasies later. Start with the village of your Polish grandmother and become the expert on that one place. What's the name of her village? I'll lend you a hand. Cheers! Dennis Benarz http://spuscizna.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Almrauscher" <almrauscher1@comcast.net> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >I do understand but also recognize that those countries peoples are so >mixed > up over the generations. we poles from the se area of galicia may have > chek, > ukraine or God knows what nationalities. I just know the more I learn and > the more mixed up I am nationality wise the more I have to be proud of and > more research over traditions, foods, drink way of life etc etc etc... I > am > happy about it > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2009 10:06 AM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > >> Well, that's certainly one way of looking at it. But, alas, it doesn't >> help >> anyone trying to decipher the nationalities given on the manifests at >> Ellis >> Island and the term "Austrian-Hungarian" as a nationality nor ethnicity >> ("race or people") never appears on the manifests. (And for this, we give >> thanks.) >> >> You will notice that "Austria-Hungary" is hyphenated and there's a reason >> for that. The two separate political entities became joined as a >> monarchic >> union in 1867 under the rule of the Hapsburgs. But, as dual monarchies, >> they >> each retained their own separate governments and territories. Galicia was >> Austrian. Slovakia was Hungarian. And Laurence was right. >> >> If this "monarchic union" concept is new or foreign to you, just wait >> until >> you begin researching the Union of Krewo or the Polish-Lithuanian >> Commonwealth. In such unions, you will find that only some things are >> "united". >> >> Cheers! >> >> Dennis Benarz >> http://spuscizna.org/ >> >>