Does anyone know anything about the past in the towns of Wadowice Dolne and Wampierzow. My Grandparents came from those towns on 1905 and 1907. My Grandfather's family (Morytko) I can trace to 1781. My Grandmother's family (Gula) to 1722.

Hi Carol Both Wadowice Dolne and Wampierzow were part of Wadowice Gorne Parish until 1911, when Wadowice Dolne became an independent parish. The parish at Wadowice Gorne maintains an auxiliary church at Wampierzow and the general area of the parish is just west of Mielec. For our unofficial parish website, see: http://spuscizna.org/spuscizna/wadowice-gorne.html . Parish records for the years 1777-1883 were microfilmed at the Archives of the Diocese of Tarnow in 1995. The LDS catalog numbers are 1980467 and 1980469. However, it sounds like you have already viewed these microfilms. The entries for these three particular villages in "Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego" are pretty interesting and detailed. I have seldom seen so many "wolki" attached to villages before. "Wolki" is a form of "Wola" and was used to described settlements which were planned and sanctioned. There was nothing accidental or by chance in their coming into being. You might want to view the entries yourself, starting at Volume 12, page 887. WADOWICE GORNE - 19th Century totals: 127 homes and 843 residents of which 802 were Roman Catholic and 41 were Jewish. However, it further stipulates that Wadowice Gorne had three "wolki" and there were 67 homes in Piaski, 3 in Podlesie, and 73 in Zadworze. I used to presume that any balance were in the village itself, but the numbers here don't add up. WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 homes in Wadowice Dolne itself. WAMPIERZOW - 19th Century totals: 343 homes and 2070 residents. The religious breakdown was 1965 Roman Catholics and 105 Jews. This village had six "wolki" and there were 16 homes in Cegielnia, 53 in Gorki, 3 in Kasale, 40 in Podbudzyn, 40 in Podlesie, and 36 in Zabrnie plus 37 more at the noble estate "Prebendow". In this entry, an ethnic breakdown was also provided: 1930 Poles and 130 Germanics. Since Jewish Poles and ethnic Poles are counted as "Poles" in these figures, it becomes pretty clear that at least several of the several "wolki" were established to accommodate Germanic settlers. This information might be of use to you should you visit your ancestral villages in the future. My paternal grandfather was born on our ancestral family homestead in a place called "Karolowka" which is seldom on maps and whose name is argued by local residents as actually being Karalowka or Kalarowka and a couple of other variants. Those few folks who still live there call such unknowledgeable outsiders "duffuses". Since sometime in the 17th or 18th Century, the place lost its official status and has been part of the larger village of Glowaczowa. Just yesterday my co-editor, Karen Wisniewski, found it fairly easy to find my ancestral family farm even though it was completely destroyed in 1944. She was able to walk through the fields and take some updated photos. Why so easy? She knew the place name "Karolowka" and was in the company of an 80-years old gentleman from Debica who as a youth used to stroll the woods in the area. (Plus, she knocked on the door of the Grych family who live next door to where the farm used to be just to confirm its location.) A cute footnote: The 80-year old gentleman from Debica bragged to everyone who passed near him, "Hey, I visited the old Bieniasz farm today!" This resulted in most passers-by rolling their eyes and responding, "You crazy old coot. There's nothing left of it but a bit of cellar. The Bieniasz farm was destroyed years ago. You should visit a doctor." Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol King" <cking007@maine.rr.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM Subject: [GALICIA] (no subject) > Does anyone know anything about the past in the towns of Wadowice Dolne > and Wampierzow. My Grandparents came from those towns on 1905 and 1907. My > Grandfather's family (Morytko) I can trace to 1781. My Grandmother's > family (Gula) to 1722. > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dennis, In the following paragraph you speak of “wolki”. What are they? Then Kopacz is a village or hamlet? WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 homes in Wadowice Dolne itself. Thanks, John > From: benarz@hotmail.com > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:04:56 -0500 > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > Hi Carol > > Both Wadowice Dolne and Wampierzow were part of Wadowice Gorne Parish until > 1911, when Wadowice Dolne became an independent > parish. The parish at Wadowice Gorne maintains an auxiliary church at > Wampierzow and the general area of the parish is just west of Mielec. > > For our unofficial parish website, see: > http://spuscizna.org/spuscizna/wadowice-gorne.html . > > Parish records for the years 1777-1883 were microfilmed at the Archives of > the Diocese of Tarnow in 1995. The LDS catalog numbers are 1980467 and > 1980469. However, it sounds like you have already viewed these microfilms. > > The entries for these three particular villages in "Slownik Geograficzny > Krolestwa Polskiego" are pretty interesting and detailed. I have seldom seen > so many "wolki" attached to villages before. "Wolki" is a form of "Wola" and > was used to described settlements which were planned and sanctioned. There > was nothing accidental or by chance in their coming into being. You might > want to view the entries yourself, starting at Volume 12, page 887. > > WADOWICE GORNE - 19th Century totals: 127 homes and 843 residents of which > 802 were Roman Catholic and 41 were Jewish. However, it further stipulates > that Wadowice Gorne had three "wolki" and there were 67 homes in Piaski, 3 > in Podlesie, and 73 in Zadworze. I used to presume that any balance were in > the village itself, but the numbers here don't add up. > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 homes > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > > WAMPIERZOW - 19th Century totals: 343 homes and 2070 residents. The > religious breakdown was 1965 Roman Catholics and 105 Jews. > This village had six "wolki" and there were 16 homes in Cegielnia, 53 in > Gorki, 3 in Kasale, 40 in Podbudzyn, 40 in Podlesie, and 36 in Zabrnie plus > 37 more at the noble estate "Prebendow". > > In this entry, an ethnic breakdown was also provided: 1930 Poles and 130 > Germanics. Since Jewish Poles and ethnic Poles are counted as "Poles" in > these figures, it becomes pretty clear that at least several of the several > "wolki" were established to accommodate Germanic settlers. > > This information might be of use to you should you visit your ancestral > villages in the future. My paternal grandfather was born on our ancestral > family homestead in a place called "Karolowka" which is seldom on maps and > whose name is argued by local residents as actually being Karalowka or > Kalarowka and a couple of other variants. Those few folks who still live > there call such unknowledgeable outsiders "duffuses". Since sometime in the > 17th or 18th Century, the place lost its official status and has been part > of the larger village of Glowaczowa. Just yesterday my co-editor, Karen > Wisniewski, found it fairly easy to find my ancestral family farm even > though it was completely destroyed in 1944. She was able to walk through the > fields and take some updated photos. Why so easy? She knew the place name > "Karolowka" and was in the company of an 80-years old gentleman from Debica > who as a youth used to stroll the woods in the area. (Plus, she knocked on > the door of the Grych family who live next door to where the farm used to be > just to confirm its location.) > > A cute footnote: The 80-year old gentleman from Debica bragged to everyone > who passed near him, "Hey, I visited the old Bieniasz farm today!" This > resulted in most passers-by rolling their eyes and responding, "You crazy > old coot. There's nothing left of it but a bit of cellar. The Bieniasz farm > was destroyed years ago. You should visit a doctor." > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > Dennis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol King" <cking007@maine.rr.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM > Subject: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > Does anyone know anything about the past in the towns of Wadowice Dolne > > and Wampierzow. My Grandparents came from those towns on 1905 and 1907. My > > Grandfather's family (Morytko) I can trace to 1781. My Grandmother's > > family (Gula) to 1722. > > ********************************* > > Need to contact the list manager? 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Hi John "Wolki" were neither villages nor hamlets in any legal sense. They were considered to be a legitimate part of the larger political entity - the village - although they were usually geographically unattached to it. I have never found a dictionary with a suitable definition, but perhaps that's because "wolki" is a rather specialized and/or archaic legal or real estate term in Polish. In today's world, "wolki" would probably be akin to a subdivision or perhaps a neighborhood in North America.. "Wolki" were not settlements that just happened to come into being haphazardly because folks simply decided to settle there. They were planned and sanctioned and someone had some sort of rights to them, at least for a time. I live in the village of Niles IL and you'll find areas of it referred to as Grennan Heights, Oakton Manor, Jonquil Terrace, Chesterfield Commons, etc. These names do not appear on any maps (not lately) and are now meaningless to the country and state governmental agencies. Even official publications of the village seldom contain these place names any more. At one time, these areas were planned and built by developers and at that time the names might have had some legal ramifications as homes were built, but today they only provide a bit of descriptive assistance to the local folks here, "Hey, there was a serious traffic accident today in Grennan Heights right across from the park." Locals would know exactly where that is. It is precisely that "descriptive assistance" that might come in handy during a trip to an ancestral Polish village. Plus, some list members might benefit from this discussion because they will finally be able to make sense of an old family tale that mentions the name of a "wolka" instead of the proper name of a village. They'll discover that the "wolka" place name was mentioned only to provide a more precise location. The overwhelming majority of villages in SE Poland did not have "wolki", but some did. Cheers! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T Mielnik" <jtmielnik@hotmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) Dennis, In the following paragraph you speak of “wolki”. What are they? Then Kopacz is a village or hamlet? WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 homes in Wadowice Dolne itself. Thanks, John > From: benarz@hotmail.com > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:04:56 -0500 > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > Hi Carol > > Both Wadowice Dolne and Wampierzow were part of Wadowice Gorne Parish > until > 1911, when Wadowice Dolne became an independent > parish. The parish at Wadowice Gorne maintains an auxiliary church at > Wampierzow and the general area of the parish is just west of Mielec. > > For our unofficial parish website, see: > http://spuscizna.org/spuscizna/wadowice-gorne.html . > > Parish records for the years 1777-1883 were microfilmed at the Archives of > the Diocese of Tarnow in 1995. The LDS catalog numbers are 1980467 and > 1980469. However, it sounds like you have already viewed these microfilms. > > The entries for these three particular villages in "Slownik Geograficzny > Krolestwa Polskiego" are pretty interesting and detailed. I have seldom > seen > so many "wolki" attached to villages before. "Wolki" is a form of "Wola" > and > was used to described settlements which were planned and sanctioned. There > was nothing accidental or by chance in their coming into being. You might > want to view the entries yourself, starting at Volume 12, page 887. > > WADOWICE GORNE - 19th Century totals: 127 homes and 843 residents of which > 802 were Roman Catholic and 41 were Jewish. However, it further stipulates > that Wadowice Gorne had three "wolki" and there were 67 homes in Piaski, 3 > in Podlesie, and 73 in Zadworze. I used to presume that any balance were > in > the village itself, but the numbers here don't add up. > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 > homes > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > > WAMPIERZOW - 19th Century totals: 343 homes and 2070 residents. The > religious breakdown was 1965 Roman Catholics and 105 Jews. > This village had six "wolki" and there were 16 homes in Cegielnia, 53 in > Gorki, 3 in Kasale, 40 in Podbudzyn, 40 in Podlesie, and 36 in Zabrnie > plus > 37 more at the noble estate "Prebendow". > > In this entry, an ethnic breakdown was also provided: 1930 Poles and 130 > Germanics. Since Jewish Poles and ethnic Poles are counted as "Poles" in > these figures, it becomes pretty clear that at least several of the > several > "wolki" were established to accommodate Germanic settlers. > > This information might be of use to you should you visit your ancestral > villages in the future. My paternal grandfather was born on our ancestral > family homestead in a place called "Karolowka" which is seldom on maps and > whose name is argued by local residents as actually being Karalowka or > Kalarowka and a couple of other variants. Those few folks who still live > there call such unknowledgeable outsiders "duffuses". Since sometime in > the > 17th or 18th Century, the place lost its official status and has been part > of the larger village of Glowaczowa. Just yesterday my co-editor, Karen > Wisniewski, found it fairly easy to find my ancestral family farm even > though it was completely destroyed in 1944. She was able to walk through > the > fields and take some updated photos. Why so easy? She knew the place name > "Karolowka" and was in the company of an 80-years old gentleman from > Debica > who as a youth used to stroll the woods in the area. (Plus, she knocked on > the door of the Grych family who live next door to where the farm used to > be > just to confirm its location.) > > A cute footnote: The 80-year old gentleman from Debica bragged to everyone > who passed near him, "Hey, I visited the old Bieniasz farm today!" This > resulted in most passers-by rolling their eyes and responding, "You crazy > old coot. There's nothing left of it but a bit of cellar. The Bieniasz > farm > was destroyed years ago. You should visit a doctor." > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > Dennis > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carol King" <cking007@maine.rr.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM > Subject: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > Does anyone know anything about the past in the towns of Wadowice Dolne > > and Wampierzow. My Grandparents came from those towns on 1905 and 1907. > > My > > Grandfather's family (Morytko) I can trace to 1781. My Grandmother's > > family (Gula) to 1722. > > *********************************

Some help from: http://www.orbikfamily.com/orbik/tajno_history.htm Tax breaks for Royal Service: The voyts of NETTA, Barglow, Rutki and TAJNO each had 2 wolki which were free from taxes. One free wolka in Barglow belonged to "sluzka", a servant who took care about the delivery of correspondance. This was a stranger from Mazovia named Wojciech Pomaska. Other taxe-free wloki belonged to the miller and to the "wybrancy " (peasants in military service). These wybrancy could cut down trees, collect wood, build houses, brew beer, and produce vodka without paying taxes. The other inhabitants were jealous, and didn't like the wybrancy. All the "wybrancy " were absent from their houses for a dozen weeks in 1595. They probably took part in Stanislaw Zolkiewski's campaign against the Cossaks. All of these wloki, free from taxes, officialy belonged to the Royal Treasury. After a time the King started to give these lands in annuity leases, mostly to yeomanry (minor nobility), local clerks, or retired employees and officers of royal service (p. 132). _______ Lavrentiy Krupniak Dennis Benarz wrote: > > Hi John > > "Wolki" were neither villages nor hamlets in any legal sense. They were > considered to be a legitimate part of the larger political entity - the > village - although they were usually geographically unattached to it. I > have never found a dictionary with a suitable definition, but perhaps that's > because "wolki" is a rather specialized and/or archaic legal or real estate > term in Polish. In today's world, "wolki" would probably be akin to a > subdivision or perhaps a neighborhood in North America.. "Wolki" were not > settlements that just happened to come into being haphazardly because folks > simply decided to settle there. They were planned and sanctioned and someone > had some sort of rights to them, at least for a time. > > I live in the village of Niles IL and you'll find areas of it referred to as > Grennan Heights, Oakton Manor, Jonquil Terrace, Chesterfield Commons, etc. > These names do not appear on any maps (not lately) and are now meaningless > to the country and state governmental agencies. Even official publications > of the village seldom contain these place names any more. At one time, > these areas were planned and built by developers and at that time the names > might have had some legal ramifications as homes were built, but today they > only provide a bit of descriptive assistance to the local folks here, "Hey, > there was a serious traffic accident today in Grennan Heights right across > from the park." Locals would know exactly where that is. > > It is precisely that "descriptive assistance" that might come in handy > during a trip to an ancestral Polish village. Plus, some list members might > benefit from this discussion because they will finally be able to make sense > of an old family tale that mentions the name of a "wolka" instead of the > proper name of a village. They'll discover that the "wolka" place name was > mentioned only to provide a more precise location. > > The overwhelming majority of villages in SE Poland did not have "wolki", but > some did. > > Cheers! > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John T Mielnik" <jtmielnik@hotmail.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 7:29 AM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > Dennis, > In the following paragraph you speak of �wolki�. What are they? Then Kopacz > is a village or hamlet? > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 homes > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > Thanks, > John > > > From: benarz@hotmail.com > > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:04:56 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > Hi Carol > > > > Both Wadowice Dolne and Wampierzow were part of Wadowice Gorne Parish > > until > > 1911, when Wadowice Dolne became an independent > > parish. The parish at Wadowice Gorne maintains an auxiliary church at > > Wampierzow and the general area of the parish is just west of Mielec. > > > > For our unofficial parish website, see: > > http://spuscizna.org/spuscizna/wadowice-gorne.html . > > > > Parish records for the years 1777-1883 were microfilmed at the Archives of > > the Diocese of Tarnow in 1995. The LDS catalog numbers are 1980467 and > > 1980469. However, it sounds like you have already viewed these microfilms. > > > > The entries for these three particular villages in "Slownik Geograficzny > > Krolestwa Polskiego" are pretty interesting and detailed. I have seldom > > seen > > so many "wolki" attached to villages before. "Wolki" is a form of "Wola" > > and > > was used to described settlements which were planned and sanctioned. There > > was nothing accidental or by chance in their coming into being. You might > > want to view the entries yourself, starting at Volume 12, page 887. > > > > WADOWICE GORNE - 19th Century totals: 127 homes and 843 residents of which > > 802 were Roman Catholic and 41 were Jewish. However, it further stipulates > > that Wadowice Gorne had three "wolki" and there were 67 homes in Piaski, 3 > > in Podlesie, and 73 in Zadworze. I used to presume that any balance were > > in > > the village itself, but the numbers here don't add up. > > > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which > > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" > > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 > > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 > > homes > > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > > > > WAMPIERZOW - 19th Century totals: 343 homes and 2070 residents. The > > religious breakdown was 1965 Roman Catholics and 105 Jews. > > This village had six "wolki" and there were 16 homes in Cegielnia, 53 in > > Gorki, 3 in Kasale, 40 in Podbudzyn, 40 in Podlesie, and 36 in Zabrnie > > plus > > 37 more at the noble estate "Prebendow". > > > > In this entry, an ethnic breakdown was also provided: 1930 Poles and 130 > > Germanics. Since Jewish Poles and ethnic Poles are counted as "Poles" in > > these figures, it becomes pretty clear that at least several of the > > several > > "wolki" were established to accommodate Germanic settlers. > > > > This information might be of use to you should you visit your ancestral > > villages in the future. My paternal grandfather was born on our ancestral > > family homestead in a place called "Karolowka" which is seldom on maps and > > whose name is argued by local residents as actually being Karalowka or > > Kalarowka and a couple of other variants. Those few folks who still live > > there call such unknowledgeable outsiders "duffuses". Since sometime in > > the > > 17th or 18th Century, the place lost its official status and has been part > > of the larger village of Glowaczowa. Just yesterday my co-editor, Karen > > Wisniewski, found it fairly easy to find my ancestral family farm even > > though it was completely destroyed in 1944. She was able to walk through > > the > > fields and take some updated photos. Why so easy? She knew the place name > > "Karolowka" and was in the company of an 80-years old gentleman from > > Debica > > who as a youth used to stroll the woods in the area. (Plus, she knocked on > > the door of the Grych family who live next door to where the farm used to > > be > > just to confirm its location.) > > > > A cute footnote: The 80-year old gentleman from Debica bragged to everyone > > who passed near him, "Hey, I visited the old Bieniasz farm today!" This > > resulted in most passers-by rolling their eyes and responding, "You crazy > > old coot. There's nothing left of it but a bit of cellar. The Bieniasz > > farm > > was destroyed years ago. You should visit a doctor." > > > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carol King" <cking007@maine.rr.com> > > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM > > Subject: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about the past in the towns of Wadowice Dolne > > > and Wampierzow. My Grandparents came from those towns on 1905 and 1907. > > > My > > > Grandfather's family (Morytko) I can trace to 1781. My Grandmother's > > > family (Gula) to 1722. > > > ********************************* > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What do the words Dolne' and Gorne' mean? I've tried Polish dictionaries and found nothing. My People (Flakus) come from Leki Dolne. Thank you. > From: jtmielnik@hotmail.com > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:29:05 -0400 > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > Dennis, > In the following paragraph you speak of “wolki”. What are they? Then Kopacz is a village or hamlet? > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 homes > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > Thanks, > John > > > > From: benarz@hotmail.com > > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:04:56 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > Hi Carol > > > > Both Wadowice Dolne and Wampierzow were part of Wadowice Gorne Parish until > > 1911, when Wadowice Dolne became an independent > > parish. The parish at Wadowice Gorne maintains an auxiliary church at > > Wampierzow and the general area of the parish is just west of Mielec. > > > > For our unofficial parish website, see: > > http://spuscizna.org/spuscizna/wadowice-gorne.html . > > > > Parish records for the years 1777-1883 were microfilmed at the Archives of > > the Diocese of Tarnow in 1995. The LDS catalog numbers are 1980467 and > > 1980469. However, it sounds like you have already viewed these microfilms. > > > > The entries for these three particular villages in "Slownik Geograficzny > > Krolestwa Polskiego" are pretty interesting and detailed. I have seldom seen > > so many "wolki" attached to villages before. "Wolki" is a form of "Wola" and > > was used to described settlements which were planned and sanctioned. There > > was nothing accidental or by chance in their coming into being. You might > > want to view the entries yourself, starting at Volume 12, page 887. > > > > WADOWICE GORNE - 19th Century totals: 127 homes and 843 residents of which > > 802 were Roman Catholic and 41 were Jewish. However, it further stipulates > > that Wadowice Gorne had three "wolki" and there were 67 homes in Piaski, 3 > > in Podlesie, and 73 in Zadworze. I used to presume that any balance were in > > the village itself, but the numbers here don't add up. > > > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which > > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" > > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 > > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 homes > > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > > > > WAMPIERZOW - 19th Century totals: 343 homes and 2070 residents. The > > religious breakdown was 1965 Roman Catholics and 105 Jews. > > This village had six "wolki" and there were 16 homes in Cegielnia, 53 in > > Gorki, 3 in Kasale, 40 in Podbudzyn, 40 in Podlesie, and 36 in Zabrnie plus > > 37 more at the noble estate "Prebendow". > > > > In this entry, an ethnic breakdown was also provided: 1930 Poles and 130 > > Germanics. Since Jewish Poles and ethnic Poles are counted as "Poles" in > > these figures, it becomes pretty clear that at least several of the several > > "wolki" were established to accommodate Germanic settlers. > > > > This information might be of use to you should you visit your ancestral > > villages in the future. My paternal grandfather was born on our ancestral > > family homestead in a place called "Karolowka" which is seldom on maps and > > whose name is argued by local residents as actually being Karalowka or > > Kalarowka and a couple of other variants. Those few folks who still live > > there call such unknowledgeable outsiders "duffuses". Since sometime in the > > 17th or 18th Century, the place lost its official status and has been part > > of the larger village of Glowaczowa. Just yesterday my co-editor, Karen > > Wisniewski, found it fairly easy to find my ancestral family farm even > > though it was completely destroyed in 1944. She was able to walk through the > > fields and take some updated photos. Why so easy? She knew the place name > > "Karolowka" and was in the company of an 80-years old gentleman from Debica > > who as a youth used to stroll the woods in the area. (Plus, she knocked on > > the door of the Grych family who live next door to where the farm used to be > > just to confirm its location.) > > > > A cute footnote: The 80-year old gentleman from Debica bragged to everyone > > who passed near him, "Hey, I visited the old Bieniasz farm today!" This > > resulted in most passers-by rolling their eyes and responding, "You crazy > > old coot. There's nothing left of it but a bit of cellar. The Bieniasz farm > > was destroyed years ago. You should visit a doctor." > > > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carol King" <cking007@maine.rr.com> > > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM > > Subject: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about the past in the towns of Wadowice Dolne > > > and Wampierzow. My Grandparents came from those towns on 1905 and 1907. My > > > Grandfather's family (Morytko) I can trace to 1781. My Grandmother's > > > family (Gula) to 1722. > > > ********************************* > > > Need to contact the list manager? 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Terry, Gorne means Upper and Dolne means Lower. It is used in Poland mostly to geographic terms. Hope this helps Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "TERRY FLAKUS" <flake342@msn.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) What do the words Dolne' and Gorne' mean? I've tried Polish dictionaries and found nothing. My People (Flakus) come from Leki Dolne. Thank you. > From: jtmielnik@hotmail.com > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 08:29:05 -0400 > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > Dennis, > In the following paragraph you speak of “wolki”. What are they? Then > Kopacz is a village or hamlet? > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of which > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four "wolki" > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and 9 > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 > homes > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > Thanks, > John > > > > From: benarz@hotmail.com > > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 18:04:56 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > Hi Carol > > > > Both Wadowice Dolne and Wampierzow were part of Wadowice Gorne Parish > > until > > 1911, when Wadowice Dolne became an independent > > parish. The parish at Wadowice Gorne maintains an auxiliary church at > > Wampierzow and the general area of the parish is just west of Mielec. > > > > For our unofficial parish website, see: > > http://spuscizna.org/spuscizna/wadowice-gorne.html . > > > > Parish records for the years 1777-1883 were microfilmed at the Archives > > of > > the Diocese of Tarnow in 1995. The LDS catalog numbers are 1980467 and > > 1980469. However, it sounds like you have already viewed these > > microfilms. > > > > The entries for these three particular villages in "Slownik Geograficzny > > Krolestwa Polskiego" are pretty interesting and detailed. I have seldom > > seen > > so many "wolki" attached to villages before. "Wolki" is a form of "Wola" > > and > > was used to described settlements which were planned and sanctioned. > > There > > was nothing accidental or by chance in their coming into being. You > > might > > want to view the entries yourself, starting at Volume 12, page 887. > > > > WADOWICE GORNE - 19th Century totals: 127 homes and 843 residents of > > which > > 802 were Roman Catholic and 41 were Jewish. However, it further > > stipulates > > that Wadowice Gorne had three "wolki" and there were 67 homes in Piaski, > > 3 > > in Podlesie, and 73 in Zadworze. I used to presume that any balance were > > in > > the village itself, but the numbers here don't add up. > > > > WADOWICE DOLNE - 19th Century totals: 141 homes and 665 residents of > > which > > 639 were Roman Catholic and 26 were Jewish. This village had four > > "wolki" > > and there were 10 homes in Kopacz, 15 in Podedworze, 24 in Kopaniny, and > > 9 > > in Zarzyce. Here the numbers work out just fine because there were 83 > > homes > > in Wadowice Dolne itself. > > > > WAMPIERZOW - 19th Century totals: 343 homes and 2070 residents. The > > religious breakdown was 1965 Roman Catholics and 105 Jews. > > This village had six "wolki" and there were 16 homes in Cegielnia, 53 in > > Gorki, 3 in Kasale, 40 in Podbudzyn, 40 in Podlesie, and 36 in Zabrnie > > plus > > 37 more at the noble estate "Prebendow". > > > > In this entry, an ethnic breakdown was also provided: 1930 Poles and 130 > > Germanics. Since Jewish Poles and ethnic Poles are counted as "Poles" in > > these figures, it becomes pretty clear that at least several of the > > several > > "wolki" were established to accommodate Germanic settlers. > > > > This information might be of use to you should you visit your ancestral > > villages in the future. My paternal grandfather was born on our > > ancestral > > family homestead in a place called "Karolowka" which is seldom on maps > > and > > whose name is argued by local residents as actually being Karalowka or > > Kalarowka and a couple of other variants. Those few folks who still live > > there call such unknowledgeable outsiders "duffuses". Since sometime in > > the > > 17th or 18th Century, the place lost its official status and has been > > part > > of the larger village of Glowaczowa. Just yesterday my co-editor, Karen > > Wisniewski, found it fairly easy to find my ancestral family farm even > > though it was completely destroyed in 1944. She was able to walk through > > the > > fields and take some updated photos. Why so easy? She knew the place > > name > > "Karolowka" and was in the company of an 80-years old gentleman from > > Debica > > who as a youth used to stroll the woods in the area. (Plus, she knocked > > on > > the door of the Grych family who live next door to where the farm used > > to be > > just to confirm its location.) > > > > A cute footnote: The 80-year old gentleman from Debica bragged to > > everyone > > who passed near him, "Hey, I visited the old Bieniasz farm today!" This > > resulted in most passers-by rolling their eyes and responding, "You > > crazy > > old coot. There's nothing left of it but a bit of cellar. The Bieniasz > > farm > > was destroyed years ago. You should visit a doctor." > > > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > > > Dennis > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Carol King" <cking007@maine.rr.com> > > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 1:47 PM > > Subject: [GALICIA] (no subject) > > > > > > > Does anyone know anything about the past in the towns of Wadowice > > > Dolne > > > and Wampierzow. My Grandparents came from those towns on 1905 and > > > 1907. My > > > Grandfather's family (Morytko) I can trace to 1781. My Grandmother's > > > family (Gula) to 1722. > > > ********************************* > > > Need to contact the list manager? 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