Are there any websites that list cemeteries by village location. Main interest Pomoryany Ukraine. What information is engraved on the tombstone. Nick Ladanowski

galicia-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing list receives it, just send it to: GALICIA@rootsweb.com. It will then be sent on to everyone on the subscriber list. Please note that the address to post messages to the list is NOT the same as the address to (un)subscribe. > > Don't forget to edit the subject line to reflect the topic of your reply, and please remember NOT to include the entire digest when clicking reply! > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > There are two sending formats of the digest: plain (inline) text and MIME (attached messages). If you'd like to switch the format of your digest, write GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com to request your digest format be changed. > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > List manager: > galicia-admin@rootsweb.com > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Hawyriok Horodenka, Galicia (Helen Ginn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 09:39:14 -0400 > From: "Helen Ginn" <ginn@ebtech.net> > Subject: [GALICIA] Hawyriok Horodenka, Galicia > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001801c8c323$b75ce7d0$0301a8c0@HELEN> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1251"; > reply-type=original > > Hello Listers: > > I have checked the LDS catalogue on line to see if there might be > microfilm available for a place called Hawyriok in Horodenka but > perhaps it is a small hamlet or a parish that may not have been > mentioned on a Horodenka film? If anyone can enlighten me about this > place I would very much appreciate it. > > Helen Ginn > > > Dear Helen, In Brain Lenius' gazetteer there is a community Hawrylak mentioned...it is in Horodenka Admin District The Parish ofr this village is Obertyn for RC and Czortowiec for UC. There is a footnote for this village noting that this info may be incorrect for several reasons including spelling and incorrect entry in the Bigo(1914) gazetteer. Hope this may be of help anyway....eleanor > ------------------------------ > > > > End of GALICIA Digest, Vol 2, Issue 71 > ************************************** > >

. / Use the correct spellings .....Havryliak, or Polish name Hawrylak _______ Lavrentiy Krupniak Helen Ginn wrote: > > Hello Listers: > > I have checked the LDS catalogue on line to see if there might be > microfilm available for a place called Hawyriok in Horodenka but > perhaps it is a small hamlet or a parish that may not have been > mentioned on a Horodenka film? If anyone can enlighten me about this > place I would very much appreciate it. > > Helen Ginn

Hello Listers: I have checked the LDS catalogue on line to see if there might be microfilm available for a place called Hawyriok in Horodenka but perhaps it is a small hamlet or a parish that may not have been mentioned on a Horodenka film? If anyone can enlighten me about this place I would very much appreciate it. Helen Ginn

Folks, I think it's time to end this debate before it ventures into a flame war. :-) Let's get back to the topic of the list: researching ancestry in Galicia. Marie Galicia list admin

Dennis, You didn't answer my question, buddy. Here it is again (rephrased): Which shows more respect: baptizing people posthumously in the hope of saving their soul (Mormons), or murder, deceit, forced conversions, religious wars, and child abuse (Catholics)? Was the Spanish Inquisition respectful? How about the Crusades? And how about all the poor children that were abused by Catholic priests? Every pope since Pope Pius XII, including the current one, were complicit in child abuse because they were aware of the abusive priests, and when they found out about a priest abusing kids, all they did was send him to a new parish (where he had lots of new victims). Very respectful. You shouldn't expect respect when you don't respect others. That's why I find this whole thing hilarious. The Catholic Church is falling apart, dealing with legal issues resulting from not only child abuse but also the cover-ups, going bankrupt, losing members left and right, and they choose to spend their time on silly issues like proxy baptism, which mean absolutely nothing when it comes to salvation, which is the purpose of the Church, isn't it? -nick

Does anyone (except the Mormons) really believe a dead person can be baptized? If the Catholic Church believes only their own baptisms are valid then the whole issue is moot.

Hello Nick Story time: As a boy, an ancestor of mine grabbed and baptized a Jewish playmate in Grabinka Creek on the way home from school. He intentions were innocent enough; he figured Heaven wouldn't be much fun unless his buddy Moishe was with him there too. However, upon hearing of the event, his parents and the parish priest immediately rushed over to the offended parents home offering apologies and words of comfort. That's just one example of the respect shown by Poles to Jews (and vice versa) for another person's religion in Galicia. Respect and tolerance were important ingredients in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. And that's the tradition that was passed down to me. End of story. My ancestor got a good scolding and a couple of swats on his bottom for his misdeed. What should be done with a large organization which knows that its practice of secret proxy baptisms offends others, has promised not to do so, and is caught doing it again and again? In this case, it appears that only litigation in a court of law will halt the Mormon practice. Anne Frank and David Ben-Gurion are among the hundreds of thousands of Jews who were posthumously forcibly "baptized" by the Mormons. To you it might be a joke, but it is not at all amusing to Holocaust survivors, their families, and others. Have you no compassion for them and their feelings? You keep missing the point. It's really not about religion, God, or Heaven. It is about us - our conduct and relationships with our fellow men. Your concept of respect and tolerance differs greatly from mine. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick bulka" <nick@bulka.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Catholic church to keep records from Mormons > Hi Dennis! > > Yes, it is hilarious to me. After all, what difference does it make if > they > baptize people that God has already judged? Do you think God will change > his > mind? > > And no, I don't find it disrespectful if the Mormons truly think they are > helping people get into heaven. Actually, it shows quite a bit of > respect. > > How many thousands (or millions) of people have Catholics "converted" over > the centuries through force, humiliation, and downright deception? Isn't > that disrespectful? > > nick > > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> No Nick, it is not hilarious. It is all about respect, respect for your >> word >> and respect for others. The Church of Latter Day Saints secretly and >> unilaterally abrogated an agreement reached in May 1995 to stop >> performing >> "proxy baptisms" and they are now being held accountable. This is a very >> serious issue for Catholics and Jews. >> >> Don't you find it disrespectful and insulting to Jews that the Church of >> Latter Day Saints surreptitiously performed proxy baptisms for nearly a >> half >> million Jewish holocaust victims? >> >> By the way, your view of Vatican doctrine is skewed. The Catholic Church >> does not hold the Mormon baptism of the living, much less the dead, to be >> a >> valid form of baptism. Like I said, the real issue here is respect. >> >> Dennis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "nick bulka" <nick@bulka.com> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:09 PM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Catholic church to keep records from Mormons >> >> >> > This is hilarious. This means the Vatican actually believes that the >> > Mormon >> > "rebaptisms" actually mean something to God. >> > >> > >> > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ken Sigmund <cub2544@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> [Also posted to LDS-GENEALOGY] >> >> >> >> The following is from the 16 May 2008 issue of *The Catholic Witness*. >> >> The >> >> story was also covered by the *Deseret Morning News* on 04 May. >> >> >> >> I am flabbergasted... >> >> ----- >> >> >> >> *Bishops to Keep Records from Mormons* >> >> In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus >> >> Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world >> >> have >> >> been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish >> >> registers >> >> to >> >> the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the >> >> Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by *Catholic News Service* >> >> in >> >> late >> >> April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the >> >> Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information >> >> contained >> >> in >> >> those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" >> >> expressed >> >> in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of >> the >> >> Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, >> >> executive >> >> director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and >> >> Interreligious >> >> Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from >> >> using >> >> records - such as baptismal documentation - to posthumously baptize by >> >> proxy >> >> the ancestors of Church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have >> >> been >> >> a >> >> common practice for the Latter-day Saints - commonly known as >> >> Mormons - >> >> for >> >> more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their >> >> ancestors >> >> baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said >> >> Mike >> >> Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters. >> >> ********************************* >> >> Need to contact the list manager? >> >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ********************************* >> > Need to contact the list manager? >> > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dennis! Yes, it is hilarious to me. After all, what difference does it make if they baptize people that God has already judged? Do you think God will change his mind? And no, I don't find it disrespectful if the Mormons truly think they are helping people get into heaven. Actually, it shows quite a bit of respect. How many thousands (or millions) of people have Catholics "converted" over the centuries through force, humiliation, and downright deception? Isn't that disrespectful? nick On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> wrote: > No Nick, it is not hilarious. It is all about respect, respect for your > word > and respect for others. The Church of Latter Day Saints secretly and > unilaterally abrogated an agreement reached in May 1995 to stop performing > "proxy baptisms" and they are now being held accountable. This is a very > serious issue for Catholics and Jews. > > Don't you find it disrespectful and insulting to Jews that the Church of > Latter Day Saints surreptitiously performed proxy baptisms for nearly a > half > million Jewish holocaust victims? > > By the way, your view of Vatican doctrine is skewed. The Catholic Church > does not hold the Mormon baptism of the living, much less the dead, to be a > valid form of baptism. Like I said, the real issue here is respect. > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "nick bulka" <nick@bulka.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:09 PM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Catholic church to keep records from Mormons > > > > This is hilarious. This means the Vatican actually believes that the > > Mormon > > "rebaptisms" actually mean something to God. > > > > > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ken Sigmund <cub2544@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> [Also posted to LDS-GENEALOGY] > >> > >> The following is from the 16 May 2008 issue of *The Catholic Witness*. > >> The > >> story was also covered by the *Deseret Morning News* on 04 May. > >> > >> I am flabbergasted... > >> ----- > >> > >> *Bishops to Keep Records from Mormons* > >> In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus > >> Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have > >> been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers > >> to > >> the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the > >> Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by *Catholic News Service* in > >> late > >> April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the > >> Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained > >> in > >> those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" > >> expressed > >> in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of > the > >> Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, > >> executive > >> director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and > >> Interreligious > >> Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from > >> using > >> records - such as baptismal documentation - to posthumously baptize by > >> proxy > >> the ancestors of Church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been > >> a > >> common practice for the Latter-day Saints - commonly known as Mormons - > >> for > >> more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their > >> ancestors > >> baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said > >> Mike > >> Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters. > >> ********************************* > >> Need to contact the list manager? > >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > ********************************* > > Need to contact the list manager? > > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

No Nick, it is not hilarious. It is all about respect, respect for your word and respect for others. The Church of Latter Day Saints secretly and unilaterally abrogated an agreement reached in May 1995 to stop performing "proxy baptisms" and they are now being held accountable. This is a very serious issue for Catholics and Jews. Don't you find it disrespectful and insulting to Jews that the Church of Latter Day Saints surreptitiously performed proxy baptisms for nearly a half million Jewish holocaust victims? By the way, your view of Vatican doctrine is skewed. The Catholic Church does not hold the Mormon baptism of the living, much less the dead, to be a valid form of baptism. Like I said, the real issue here is respect. Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "nick bulka" <nick@bulka.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:09 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Catholic church to keep records from Mormons > This is hilarious. This means the Vatican actually believes that the > Mormon > "rebaptisms" actually mean something to God. > > > On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ken Sigmund <cub2544@gmail.com> wrote: > >> [Also posted to LDS-GENEALOGY] >> >> The following is from the 16 May 2008 issue of *The Catholic Witness*. >> The >> story was also covered by the *Deseret Morning News* on 04 May. >> >> I am flabbergasted... >> ----- >> >> *Bishops to Keep Records from Mormons* >> In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus >> Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have >> been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers >> to >> the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the >> Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by *Catholic News Service* in >> late >> April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the >> Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained >> in >> those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" >> expressed >> in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the >> Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, >> executive >> director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and >> Interreligious >> Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from >> using >> records - such as baptismal documentation - to posthumously baptize by >> proxy >> the ancestors of Church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been >> a >> common practice for the Latter-day Saints - commonly known as Mormons - >> for >> more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their >> ancestors >> baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said >> Mike >> Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters. >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is hilarious. This means the Vatican actually believes that the Mormon "rebaptisms" actually mean something to God. On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Ken Sigmund <cub2544@gmail.com> wrote: > [Also posted to LDS-GENEALOGY] > > The following is from the 16 May 2008 issue of *The Catholic Witness*. The > story was also covered by the *Deseret Morning News* on 04 May. > > I am flabbergasted... > ----- > > *Bishops to Keep Records from Mormons* > In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus > Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have > been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to > the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the > Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by *Catholic News Service* in > late > April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the > Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in > those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed > in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the > Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, > executive > director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious > Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from > using > records - such as baptismal documentation - to posthumously baptize by > proxy > the ancestors of Church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a > common practice for the Latter-day Saints - commonly known as Mormons - for > more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their ancestors > baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike > Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters. > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I guess that's one way to 'Keep the faith'.......ours, that is. There is always a glitch somewhere. Shirley **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

[Also posted to LDS-GENEALOGY] The following is from the 16 May 2008 issue of *The Catholic Witness*. The story was also covered by the *Deseret Morning News* on 04 May. I am flabbergasted... ----- *Bishops to Keep Records from Mormons* In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah. An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by *Catholic News Service* in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers. The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said. Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records - such as baptismal documentation - to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of Church members. Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints - commonly known as Mormons - for more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters.

Hi Greg The enumerator district (Chicago #17 in 1910) that you mention covered an area on the near northwest side of Chicago. It was bounded by Division Street on the north, Kinzie Street on the south, Ashland Avenue on the west, and the North Branch of the Chicago River on the east. This suggests to me that they may have attended one of three possible Roman Catholic churches which had services primarily in Polish: Holy Trinity Mission, Saint John Cantius Parish, or Holy Innocents Parish. You can consult "Directories" then "Find a Parish" at the Archdiocese of Chicago's website if you are really interested. However, because you already have determined their ancestral village was Wola Lubecka south of Pilzno, I'm not sure that it would be worth investing the time. My grandparents, from Straszecin Parish north of Pilzno, made their home in Saint Stanislaus Kostka Parish which is about a half mile to the north of this enumerator district, so I know the lay of the land a bit. Isn't it interesting that birds of a feather flocked together? An irrelevant observation: A number of immigrants from the Pilzno area also made new homes in western Massachusetts in various mill towns (until they saturated the job market there) and in Nebraska around Omaha. Cheers! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <GTESSE@aol.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 1:14 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Gilski, Slota > Thank you Dennis- you are a fount of knowledge. > I have been asked to place online what information I have re Joseph Gilski > and Maryanna Slota. > Joseph Gilski > Hamburg Passenger Lists 1850-1934 > Departure date: 9 May 1901, Estimated birth year abt 1876, Married, > Residence Cubecka (Wolalubecka), Ethnicity Austrian, Port of Arrival > Southampton, > Cherbourg, New York. > 1910 USA Census > Chicago, Ward 17, Cook, Illinois. Birth place Austria. Spouse's name Mary. > Occupation: House Carpenter. > > Maryanna Gilska nee Slota > Baltimore Passenger List: Arrival date 1904. Est. birth year 1879, Race: > Polish. Friend's name Joseph Gilski. Microfilm roll 43. page 78. > 1910 USA Census (as above) > 1920 USA Census. Chicago, Cook, Illinois. Widow. > Death Certificate:State of Illinois: Birthplace: Wolalubecka, Poland. DOB > 11 > Jun 1880. Father George Slota of Wolalubecka, Poland. Mother unknown but > of > Wolalubecka, Poland. > Greg > Florida, USA > > In a message dated 5/28/2008 1:30:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > benarz@hotmail.com writes: > > Hi Greg > > In 1900, Wola Lubecka was in Pilzno administrative district, Pilzno > township/gmina, and Lubcza Parish. Pilzno is one of the oldest towns in > this > area of SE Poland and its settlement probably predates the Kingdom of > Poland. Before the amalgamation of several West Slavic tribes forming the > Polish nation, this was at the very frontier of the Wislanie Tribe who, > earlier for a time, were allied with the state of Great Moravia. In > 1000-1300 AD, Pilzno was the site of a Benedictine mission whose purpose > was > to convert and educate us heathens. Your ancestors and mine probably > attended Holy Mass together there (today, Saint John the Baptist Church) > in > the days before the widespread establishment of parishes. But while my > ancestral parish in Straszecin north of Pilzno was established around > 1275 > AD, Lubcza Parish south of Pilzno was founded in 1626. The revered > geographic dictionary, Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego, has an > entry for Lubcza in Volume 5, page 394. It can be accessed online. > > The address for Sacred Heart of Jesus Parish: > > Najswietszego Serca Pana Jezusa > 33-162 Lubcza 39 > Podkarpackie > POLAND > > However, there is little or no reason to write to the parish. The Church > of > Latter Day Saints has microfilmed the parish records and they are > available > for you to view at a local Family History Center for a small fee. > > The original parish records for the period of about 1779-1923 are on LDS > #1956070, 1956071, and 1956072. These were filmed at the Diocese of > Tarnow > in 1994. Civil transcriptions of the parish records for the period of > 1801-1870 are on LDS#949124. These were filmed at the Polish Archives in > Warsaw in 1974. > > There you go. Piece of cake. Easy as pie. > > Good luck with your research! > > Dennis > > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the > body of the message > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you Dennis- you are a fount of knowledge. I have been asked to place online what information I have re Joseph Gilski and Maryanna Slota. Joseph Gilski Hamburg Passenger Lists 1850-1934 Departure date: 9 May 1901, Estimated birth year abt 1876, Married, Residence Cubecka (Wolalubecka), Ethnicity Austrian, Port of Arrival Southampton, Cherbourg, New York. 1910 USA Census Chicago, Ward 17, Cook, Illinois. Birth place Austria. Spouse's name Mary. Occupation: House Carpenter. Maryanna Gilska nee Slota Baltimore Passenger List: Arrival date 1904. Est. birth year 1879, Race: Polish. Friend's name Joseph Gilski. Microfilm roll 43. page 78. 1910 USA Census (as above) 1920 USA Census. Chicago, Cook, Illinois. Widow. Death Certificate:State of Illinois: Birthplace: Wolalubecka, Poland. DOB 11 Jun 1880. Father George Slota of Wolalubecka, Poland. Mother unknown but of Wolalubecka, Poland. Greg Florida, USA In a message dated 5/28/2008 1:30:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, benarz@hotmail.com writes: Hi Greg In 1900, Wola Lubecka was in Pilzno administrative district, Pilzno township/gmina, and Lubcza Parish. Pilzno is one of the oldest towns in this area of SE Poland and its settlement probably predates the Kingdom of Poland. Before the amalgamation of several West Slavic tribes forming the Polish nation, this was at the very frontier of the Wislanie Tribe who, earlier for a time, were allied with the state of Great Moravia. In 1000-1300 AD, Pilzno was the site of a Benedictine mission whose purpose was to convert and educate us heathens. Your ancestors and mine probably attended Holy Mass together there (today, Saint John the Baptist Church) in the days before the widespread establishment of parishes. But while my ancestral parish in Straszecin north of Pilzno was established around 1275 AD, Lubcza Parish south of Pilzno was founded in 1626. The revered geographic dictionary, Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego, has an entry for Lubcza in Volume 5, page 394. It can be accessed online. The address for Sacred Heart of Jesus Parish: Najswietszego Serca Pana Jezusa 33-162 Lubcza 39 Podkarpackie POLAND However, there is little or no reason to write to the parish. The Church of Latter Day Saints has microfilmed the parish records and they are available for you to view at a local Family History Center for a small fee. The original parish records for the period of about 1779-1923 are on LDS #1956070, 1956071, and 1956072. These were filmed at the Diocese of Tarnow in 1994. Civil transcriptions of the parish records for the period of 1801-1870 are on LDS#949124. These were filmed at the Polish Archives in Warsaw in 1974. There you go. Piece of cake. Easy as pie. Good luck with your research! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <GTESSE@aol.com> To: <Galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: [GALICIA] Gilski, Slota > Looking for information re Joseph Gilski and Marianna Slota. Both were > from Wolalubecka. He was born about 1876. She in about 1880. They were > married prior to 1900. They had a child Josephine in about 1900. He > emigrated to the USA in 1901, and she followed with their daughter in > 1903. They settled in Chicago. Greg > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

Hi Greg In 1900, Wola Lubecka was in Pilzno administrative district, Pilzno township/gmina, and Lubcza Parish. Pilzno is one of the oldest towns in this area of SE Poland and its settlement probably predates the Kingdom of Poland. Before the amalgamation of several West Slavic tribes forming the Polish nation, this was at the very frontier of the Wislanie Tribe who, earlier for a time, were allied with the state of Great Moravia. In 1000-1300 AD, Pilzno was the site of a Benedictine mission whose purpose was to convert and educate us heathens. Your ancestors and mine probably attended Holy Mass together there (today, Saint John the Baptist Church) in the days before the widespread establishment of parishes. But while my ancestral parish in Straszecin north of Pilzno was established around 1275 AD, Lubcza Parish south of Pilzno was founded in 1626. The revered geographic dictionary, Slownik Geograficzny Krolestwa Polskiego, has an entry for Lubcza in Volume 5, page 394. It can be accessed online. The address for Sacred Heart of Jesus Parish: Najswietszego Serca Pana Jezusa 33-162 Lubcza 39 Podkarpackie POLAND However, there is little or no reason to write to the parish. The Church of Latter Day Saints has microfilmed the parish records and they are available for you to view at a local Family History Center for a small fee. The original parish records for the period of about 1779-1923 are on LDS #1956070, 1956071, and 1956072. These were filmed at the Diocese of Tarnow in 1994. Civil transcriptions of the parish records for the period of 1801-1870 are on LDS#949124. These were filmed at the Polish Archives in Warsaw in 1974. There you go. Piece of cake. Easy as pie. Good luck with your research! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: <GTESSE@aol.com> To: <Galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 10:01 AM Subject: [GALICIA] Gilski, Slota > Looking for information re Joseph Gilski and Marianna Slota. Both were > from Wolalubecka. He was born about 1876. She in about 1880. They were > married prior to 1900. They had a child Josephine in about 1900. He > emigrated to the USA in 1901, and she followed with their daughter in > 1903. They settled in Chicago. Greg > > > > > > **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with > Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002) > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Greg, Describe any research that you have conducted so far so that additional sources of information can be described. ____ Lavrentiy Krupniak GTESSE@aol.com wrote: > > Looking for information re Joseph Gilski and Marianna Slota. Both were > from Wolalubecka. He was born about 1876. She in about 1880. They were > married prior to 1900. They had a child Josephine in about 1900. He > emigrated to the USA in 1901, and she followed with their daughter in > 1903. They settled in Chicago. Greg

Looking for information re Joseph Gilski and Marianna Slota. Both were from Wolalubecka. He was born about 1876. She in about 1880. They were married prior to 1900. They had a child Josephine in about 1900. He emigrated to the USA in 1901, and she followed with their daughter in 1903. They settled in Chicago. Greg **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

gerry bell wrote: > I am doing research into my grandparents, John WOLFE and Katherine DIETRICH. John was born on 07 Oct 1888 and Katherine on 06 July 1894 in Dolina. I am hoping to find out what church they may have attended in order to get birth certificates (baptism, etc.) for both and wonder if you have any ideas as how I should go about getting these details. Thanks Gerald Bell, Thunder Bay, ON, Canada ******** Some members of the Galzien German Descendants (GGD) have already fully examined Dolina and they may already have information on the genealogies of the cited families. Members of the GGD can be found at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GalizienGermanDescendants/?yguid=11747746 _______ Lavrentiy Krupniak

Hi Karen There was no single "Big Bang" event regarding the Germanic settlements in Galicia; it was a ongoing, continuous process. Following the First Partition of Poland in 1772, Austrian Empress Maria Theresa issued the first settlement document in 1774, followed by another one issued in 1781 by Emperor Joseph II. So, you'd really have to research the history of each village to determine when Germanic settlers arrived there, but Hohenbach and Schonanger (both near Mielec) were among the early ones coming into existence (i.e., before 1800). Tuszow Kolonia was chartered by Emperor Joseph II between 1783-85 and settled by a number of Bavarians while Padew Kolonia was chartered by Emperor Joseph II in 1786, I think. Besides, the reality of the situation was this. The Austrians were afraid that, in the event of a war, their Crownland of Galicia was indefensible and would quickly be occupied by any invader. Hence, the Austrian government made little or no financial investments in it. They made the decision to invest their money elsewhere in the Empire. However, if Germanic folks thought they could make a living by settling there at their own expense, then that was certainly in the best interests of Emperor of Austria. The Roman Catholic parishes (and addresses) that your ancestors attended follow: Padew Kolonia - at Padew Narodowa (Diocese of Sandomierz) Swietego Bartlomieja Apostola (Saint Bartholomew, Apostle) 39-340 Padew Narodowa 225 Podkarpackie POLAND Josefsdorf and Tuszow Kolonia - at Jaslany (Diocese of Sandomierz) Niepokalananego Poczecia Najswietszej Maryi Panny (Immaculate Conception of the BVM) Jaslany 395 39-332 Tuszow Narodowy Podkarpackie POLAND Shonanger - at Borowa (Diocese of Tarnow) Sw. Mikolaja B. (St. Nicholas, Bishop) 39-305 Borowa k. Mielka 273 Podkarpackie POLAND Padew Kolonia is mentioned in "Special Orts Repertorium v. Galizien" (Vienna, 1886) as having 62 homes and 392 residents. But the further statistical breakdowns are interesting. Of these, 187 were male and 205 female. Of these, 180 were Roman Catholic, 25 Jewish, and 185 Protestant. Of these, 321 were "Polish" and 67 were "Germanic". So, although it may have been chartered as a Germanic settlement, Padew Kolonia certainly wasn't exclusively Germanic. Jaslany Parish is a rather recent addition, founded in 1888 and the current church built in 1904. Before that, it was a part of Chorzelow Parish. Alas, my eyes are growing tired and my crystal ball is fading. You'll have to check the online LDS library catalog yourself for the availability and catalog numbers for microfilms of the parish parish. Cheers and good luck! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Preston" <vegaskaren@gmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] Germans in Galicia Hi Dennis, Thanks very much for all the info. Do you you about what time period Germanic settlements began appearing. the families I am researching were all Roman Catholic. I am hoping that there might be church records going back to the origins of the villages, but don't know what time frame that might be. Again, thank you! --Karen On May 6, 2008, at 1:12 PM, Dennis Benarz wrote: > Karen > > Yes, and "die deutschen Siedlungen" (the Germanic settlements) near > Mielec > were: Hohenbach, Padew Kolonia, Josefsdorf, Tuszow Kolonia, > Schonanger, > Czermin, Preppendorf, Deutsche Ostrau, and Goleschau. > > A Germanic digression: The owner of one of the noble estates in my > ancestral > parish, SSW of Mielec, was a Stubenvoll. While he had a Germanic > name, he > remained a Polish patriot. During WWII, he told his farm hands to > simply > turned their backs and say nothing when Jews, fugitives of the > Nazis, took > food from his fields or slept in his barns. He also regularly > invited German > officers from Debica to dine and party at his manorhouse, then > dutifully > reported whatever they said to the AK (Polish underground army). > However, > the communist Polish puppet government seized all of his property > without > compensation at the conclusion of the war anyway. I think there's > an old > communist saying: No good deeds go unpunished. > > For a good map of the Germanic settlements in Galicia, visit: > http://www.semanchuk.com/gen/maps/unterschutz.html It is an > extremely large > download. Please be patient. > > A much earlier campaign of recruiting Germanic (and other) > immigrants to > settle SE Poland was conducted by King Kazimierz Wielki in the > 1350s. The > Kingdom of Poland was still under-populated following the Mongol > Invasions > in the 13th Century. And the legacy of those early Germanic > settlers is > still detectable in certain local surnames and place names. You > merely need > a keen eye and good ear to rediscover them. > > Good luck in your research. > > Dennis > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Preston" <vegaskaren@gmail.com> > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 1:33 PM > Subject: [GALICIA] Germans in Galicia > > > I am new to the list and to research in Poland/Galicia. I am tracing > my husband's family who came from the small towns of Tuszow, > Josephdorf, Schönanger & Padew in the Mielec area. > > I was surprised to find so many German surnames. > > I am familiar with Austrian State sponsored settlement of Germanic > people from the Rheinland and Pfalz into Hungary, from researching my > mother's family. Was the same State sponsored settlement done in > Galicia? When did this start? Can you point me to a good source for > more info? > > I am researching Malczynski, Trautmann, Wertz & Krupska. > > Many thanks for any help! > --Karen ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? 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