Good Afternoon, Listmembers, I would like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who was so helpful in researching my mother's very elusive family. You gave me new insights into them. I would like to give special thanks to Mary Snow who was especially helpful to me. Thank you all for your suggestions and for inspiring me to write an article on the role of the amateur genealogist. Good Luck in your future research. Sincerely, Lou Barsi, Ph.D. Dean and Graduate Professor, Retired

Nice work, Mary. Again, I tip my hat to you. The village of Zeteny (today Zatin) is in Slovakia and about 220 miles east of Bratislava and/or 30 miles southeast of Kosice. Slovakia was part of the Kingdom of Hungary in the 19th Century, so the location given on the manifests makes complete sense. There you go, Lou. While we can't be 100% certain this is your correct ancestral village (until an actual viewing of the parish records provides confirmation), it is certainly a very good candidate and a place worth investigating. All's well that ends well. Good luck with your endeavor! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Snow" <marysnow@bellsouth.net> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Hometown for Remaks entering through Ellis Island was Zeteny, Hungary. > Microfilm available from LDS. Links to message boards sent to Lou. > > Mary > > Laurence Krupnak wrote: >> >> Louis, >> >> Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. >> Galicia was never part of Hungary. >> >> Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to >> explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. >> >> _______ >> >> Lavrentiy Krupniak >> >> >> >> LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI wrote: >> >>> Dennis, >>> >>> Thank you for your excellent suggestions. I have always wondered about >>> those >>> REMAX advertisements. John and his wife Elizabeth were married in >>> Hungary >>> before they left for America. I will check on the marriage information >>> although it will be a bit difficult since it is not until child number >>> four >>> that there was a marriage. I appreciate you help very much. >>> >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Reformed Church parish registers of baptisms, marriages, deaths and confirmations for Sv�tu�, Slovakia, formerly Szentes, Hungary. Includes affiliated towns of Vojka, Bol, Zat�n, Svinice and Rad, Slovakia, formerly V�ke, Boly, Z�t�ny, Sziny�r and R�d, Zempl�n, Hungary. Mary Snow wrote: > > Hometown for Remaks entering through Ellis Island was Zeteny, Hungary. > Microfilm available from LDS. Links to message boards sent to Lou. > > Mary > > Laurence Krupnak wrote: > > > > Louis, > > > > Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. > > Galicia was never part of Hungary. > > > > Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to > > explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. > > > > _______ > > > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > > > > > > > LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI wrote: > > > >> Dennis, > >> > >> Thank you for your excellent suggestions. I have always wondered about those > >> REMAX advertisements. John and his wife Elizabeth were married in Hungary > >> before they left for America. I will check on the marriage information > >> although it will be a bit difficult since it is not until child number four > >> that there was a marriage. I appreciate you help very much. > >> > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hometown for Remaks entering through Ellis Island was Zeteny, Hungary. Microfilm available from LDS. Links to message boards sent to Lou. Mary Laurence Krupnak wrote: > > Louis, > > Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. > Galicia was never part of Hungary. > > Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to > explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. > > _______ > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > > > LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI wrote: > >> Dennis, >> >> Thank you for your excellent suggestions. I have always wondered about those >> REMAX advertisements. John and his wife Elizabeth were married in Hungary >> before they left for America. I will check on the marriage information >> although it will be a bit difficult since it is not until child number four >> that there was a marriage. I appreciate you help very much. >> >

Shirley, Halychyna is the Rusyn (Ukrainian) name for Galicia. The term Galicia (Galicja in Polish/Galizien in German) is derived from the term Halychyna. Halychyna existed in Rus' before the area was annexed by Poland and then by Austria, etc. Halychyna is a territory, an area, a province. ________ Lavrentiy Krupniak MaeMay510@aol.com wrote: > > Can someone put this name into proper format for me? > Is Halychyna a "county" or a town or just what? > > The GARBINSKYs who immigrated to New York prior to 1900 were from that > area. > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton, VA

Louis, Your ancestors are from either Slovakia or Transcarpathian Ukraine. Galicia was never part of Hungary. Several people in the past, e.g. Mary Snow, have directed you to explore Slovakia, etc., and you have not followed the suggestions. _______ Lavrentiy Krupniak LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI wrote: > > Dennis, > > Thank you for your excellent suggestions. I have always wondered about those > REMAX advertisements. John and his wife Elizabeth were married in Hungary > before they left for America. I will check on the marriage information > although it will be a bit difficult since it is not until child number four > that there was a marriage. I appreciate you help very much. > > Sincerely, > Lou Barsi

Dennis, We have both been "otherly abled" for almost the same amount of time-- I since July 2001. Often we don't know how fortunate we are. I was supposed to die, but for some reason, I didn't. And now that summer is almost here, I can go out and do some minor things again. I tend to be very forgetful, but it's better than the alternative. Stay well. Lou On 6/18/09, LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI <4701connecticut@gmail.com> wrote: > > Dennis, > > Thank you for your excellent suggestions. I have always wondered about > those > REMAX advertisements. John and his wife Elizabeth were married in Hungary > before they left for America. I will check on the marriage information > although it will be a bit difficult since it is not until child number four > that there was a marriage. I appreciate you help very much. > > Sincerely, > Lou Barsi > > > On 6/18/09, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Lou > > > > No, but you will find REMAX signs in front yards and in business windows > in > > SE Poland. REMAX is now a global real estate firm with offices in Krakow, > > Bielsko-Biala, and Zakopane in the former Austrian Crownland of Galicia. > > > > I think the surname REMAK has been Americanized. The best way to > determine > > its original form would be to visit or contact the rectory of the parish > in > > which he married in North America and obtain a copy of his marriage > record. > > That marriage record will contain a whole bunch of interesting > information > > including his parents' names, his home village and home diocese plus the > > same information regarding his bride. It is certainly worth the price of > > the > > donation that you'll make to the parish in exchange for it. (If he didn't > > marry in North America, then obtain of their children's baptismal records > > or > > a marriage record copy of your earliest ancestor who did marry in North > > America. Keep in mind that you want a copy of the actual entry, not a > > certificate of any kind.) > > > > We could speculate on what the surname was, but that really wouldn't get > > you > > any closer to the real truth. It could have been any one of a number of > > surnames, including REMDZIAK (in 1990, 3 resided around Tarnobrzeg), > REMIEC > > (in 1990, there were 8 around Krosno) and REMSAK (in 1990, 60 around > > Bielsko-Bialy and 2 around Rzeszow). > > > > Now, if you decide not to follow my suggestion about securing that parish > > marriage record, then you might begin your search around Bielsko-Biala > > where > > there's both a REMAX office and 60 folks named REMSAK. You just might get > > lucky. But, then again, maybe not. > > > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > > > Dennis Benarz > > http://spuscizna.org/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> > > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:47 PM > > Subject: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > > > > > > Good Afternoon, List Members, > > > > > > Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great > > > Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no > idea > > > where. > > > > > > I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. > > > > > > Thank you. > > > > > > Lou Barsi > > > ********************************* > > > > ********************************* > > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 6/18/2009 19:42:29 Eastern Standard Time, benarz@hotmail.com writes: The three terms that you provided are simply its name in different languages. Gotcha. So logical I didn't even see it. Thank you. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004)

Can someone put this name into proper format for me? Is Halychyna a "county" or a town or just what? The GARBINSKYs who immigrated to New York prior to 1900 were from that area. Shirley Maynard Hampton, VA **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your fingertips. (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004)

Hi Shirley Province is probably the best answer. From about 1772 to 1918 Poland (actually, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth) was divided into three partitions and today's SE Poland and W Ukraine became the Austrian Partition. It was officially known as the Austrian Crownland of Galicia. The three terms that you provided are simply its name in different languages. That's just what. Dennis Benarz ----- Original Message ----- From: <MaeMay510@aol.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 6:54 PM Subject: [GALICIA] Galicia / Galizien / Halychyna;Austria > Can someone put this name into proper format for me? > Is Halychyna a "county" or a town or just what? > > The GARBINSKYs who immigrated to New York prior to 1900 were from that > area. > > Shirley Maynard > Hampton, VA > **************Download the AOL Classifieds Toolbar for local deals at your > fingertips. > (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolclassifieds/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000004) > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Lou, Previous posts might refresh your memory and show you where to look next. They are at this link: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GALICIA/2008-12/1230515129 Mary LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI wrote: > I'm sorry, Dennis. I would be delighted to do as you suggest. However, two > strokes have left me disabled, so I have to depend on the help of others. > This is a task complicated by the fact that this family did not want to be > discovered and were probably illiterate. > > My neurologist suggested that genealogy was good mental exercise; she was > right. > > Lou Barsi > > > On 6/18/09, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Lou >> >> I am troubled by this. It would appear that our list member Mary Snow >> provided you with the information found on the 1900 and 1910 US Census >> entries for the Remoch/Remock/Remak of Woodbridge Township NJ on 28 >> December >> 2008. This very same information was provided to you by Kathy Stevenson of >> the Rootsweb New York List on 20 December 2008. Which one of them didn't >> you >> believe? I've known and collaborated with Mary Snow for a long, long time >> and I will certainly vouch for her. >> >> No matter how many times nor on how many lists you ask the question, the >> answer is likely to always be same. Your great grandparents came from >> somewhere in the Kingdom of Hungary, not the Kingdom of Austria. Galicia >> (SE >> Poland and W Ukraine) was for a time a crownland of the Kingdom of Austria. >> Your search should focus on Slovakia and Hungary. >> >> There are no magical Polish elves eagerly waiting to jump out from behind >> your display screen and do your work for you. Sorry, but you need to roll >> up >> your sleeves and start to do some research yourself. >> >> Dennis Benarz >> http://spuscizna.org/ >> >> p.s. Thanks for the tip, Lavrentiy! >> >

Hi Lou Disability is not a good excuse. I too am disabled and have been for about 9 years now. Just as I was released from the hospital, my Aunt Betty died and I was unable to attend her wake or funeral. Aunt Betty was the person in our family who best knew our family tree and maintained the links to our relatives in Poland. Upon her death, all that information was lost. Relatives and family history are precious commodities so I took on the responsibility of rediscovering our family information and restoring communications. It wasn't easy. It took time. It took work. It took inventiveness. But I got the job done. And I put it all online to share with everyone and so that it would not be lost again. The most personally fulfilling part on my endeavor was re-establishing contact with my family in Poland. By about 6 years ago, most of my family history work was done and contact fully restored. (Well, except for a few cousins in Grabiny who, I suspect, think I want to claim their old ancestral family farm.) Today, I exchange greetings, photos, packages, laughs and tears with my Polish cousins just like with my American cousins. Here is Cousin Darek's daughter's First Communion at All Saints Church in Straszecin: http://spuscizna.org/bieniasz/communion.html Now, are you trying to tell me that I am somehow better or more talented than you? Think again. God never gives us a cross heavier than we can bear. Whenever I need help, I simply ask the Holy Spirit for some enlightenment. You'd be surprised how much we are blessed every single day. You still have talents, use them. By the way, the greatest blessing with being disabled is not having to mow the lawn. Yes, there are perks. Cheers! Dennis ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > I'm sorry, Dennis. I would be delighted to do as you suggest. However, two > strokes have left me disabled, so I have to depend on the help of others. > This is a task complicated by the fact that this family did not want to be > discovered and were probably illiterate. > > My neurologist suggested that genealogy was good mental exercise; she was > right. > > Lou Barsi > > > On 6/18/09, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Hi Lou >> >> I am troubled by this. It would appear that our list member Mary Snow >> provided you with the information found on the 1900 and 1910 US Census >> entries for the Remoch/Remock/Remak of Woodbridge Township NJ on 28 >> December >> 2008. This very same information was provided to you by Kathy Stevenson >> of >> the Rootsweb New York List on 20 December 2008. Which one of them didn't >> you >> believe? I've known and collaborated with Mary Snow for a long, long time >> and I will certainly vouch for her. >> >> No matter how many times nor on how many lists you ask the question, the >> answer is likely to always be same. Your great grandparents came from >> somewhere in the Kingdom of Hungary, not the Kingdom of Austria. Galicia >> (SE >> Poland and W Ukraine) was for a time a crownland of the Kingdom of >> Austria. >> Your search should focus on Slovakia and Hungary. >> >> There are no magical Polish elves eagerly waiting to jump out from behind >> your display screen and do your work for you. Sorry, but you need to roll >> up >> your sleeves and start to do some research yourself. >> >> Dennis Benarz >> http://spuscizna.org/ >> >> p.s. Thanks for the tip, Lavrentiy! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:16 PM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >> >> >> > Hi Lou >> > >> > No, but you will find REMAX signs in front yards and in business >> > windows >> > in >> > SE Poland. REMAX is now a global real estate firm with offices in >> > Krakow, >> > Bielsko-Biala, and Zakopane in the former Austrian Crownland of >> > Galicia. >> > >> > I think the surname REMAK has been Americanized. The best way to >> determine >> > its original form would be to visit or contact the rectory of the >> > parish >> > in >> > which he married in North America and obtain a copy of his marriage >> > record. >> > That marriage record will contain a whole bunch of interesting >> information >> > including his parents' names, his home village and home diocese plus >> > the >> > same information regarding his bride. It is certainly worth the price >> > of >> > the >> > donation that you'll make to the parish in exchange for it. (If he >> > didn't >> > marry in North America, then obtain copies of their children's >> > baptismal >> > records or >> > a marriage record copy of your earliest ancestor who did marry in North >> > America. Keep in mind that you want a copy of the actual entry, not a >> > certificate of any kind.) >> > >> > We could speculate on what the surname was, but that really wouldn't >> > get >> > you >> > any closer to the real truth. It could have been any one of a number of >> > surnames, including REMDZIAK (in 1990, 3 resided around Tarnobrzeg), >> > REMIEC >> > (in 1990, there were 8 around Krosno) and REMSAK (in 1990, 60 around >> > Bielsko-Bialy and 2 around Rzeszow). >> > >> > Now, if you decide not to follow my suggestion about securing that >> > parish >> > marriage record, then you might begin your search around Bielsko-Biala >> > where >> > there's both a REMAX office and 60 folks named REMSAK. You just might >> > get >> > lucky. But, then again, maybe not. >> > >> > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! >> > >> > Dennis Benarz >> > http://spuscizna.org/ >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> >> > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> >> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:47 PM >> > Subject: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >> > >> > >> >> Good Afternoon, List Members, >> >> >> >> Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great >> >> Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no >> >> idea >> >> where. >> >> >> >> I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. >> >> >> >> Thank you. >> >> >> >> Lou Barsi >> >> ********************************* >> > >> > ********************************* >> > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm sorry, Dennis. I would be delighted to do as you suggest. However, two strokes have left me disabled, so I have to depend on the help of others. This is a task complicated by the fact that this family did not want to be discovered and were probably illiterate. My neurologist suggested that genealogy was good mental exercise; she was right. Lou Barsi On 6/18/09, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Lou > > I am troubled by this. It would appear that our list member Mary Snow > provided you with the information found on the 1900 and 1910 US Census > entries for the Remoch/Remock/Remak of Woodbridge Township NJ on 28 > December > 2008. This very same information was provided to you by Kathy Stevenson of > the Rootsweb New York List on 20 December 2008. Which one of them didn't > you > believe? I've known and collaborated with Mary Snow for a long, long time > and I will certainly vouch for her. > > No matter how many times nor on how many lists you ask the question, the > answer is likely to always be same. Your great grandparents came from > somewhere in the Kingdom of Hungary, not the Kingdom of Austria. Galicia > (SE > Poland and W Ukraine) was for a time a crownland of the Kingdom of Austria. > Your search should focus on Slovakia and Hungary. > > There are no magical Polish elves eagerly waiting to jump out from behind > your display screen and do your work for you. Sorry, but you need to roll > up > your sleeves and start to do some research yourself. > > Dennis Benarz > http://spuscizna.org/ > > p.s. Thanks for the tip, Lavrentiy! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > > > Hi Lou > > > > No, but you will find REMAX signs in front yards and in business windows > > in > > SE Poland. REMAX is now a global real estate firm with offices in Krakow, > > Bielsko-Biala, and Zakopane in the former Austrian Crownland of Galicia. > > > > I think the surname REMAK has been Americanized. The best way to > determine > > its original form would be to visit or contact the rectory of the parish > > in > > which he married in North America and obtain a copy of his marriage > > record. > > That marriage record will contain a whole bunch of interesting > information > > including his parents' names, his home village and home diocese plus the > > same information regarding his bride. It is certainly worth the price of > > the > > donation that you'll make to the parish in exchange for it. (If he didn't > > marry in North America, then obtain copies of their children's baptismal > > records or > > a marriage record copy of your earliest ancestor who did marry in North > > America. Keep in mind that you want a copy of the actual entry, not a > > certificate of any kind.) > > > > We could speculate on what the surname was, but that really wouldn't get > > you > > any closer to the real truth. It could have been any one of a number of > > surnames, including REMDZIAK (in 1990, 3 resided around Tarnobrzeg), > > REMIEC > > (in 1990, there were 8 around Krosno) and REMSAK (in 1990, 60 around > > Bielsko-Bialy and 2 around Rzeszow). > > > > Now, if you decide not to follow my suggestion about securing that parish > > marriage record, then you might begin your search around Bielsko-Biala > > where > > there's both a REMAX office and 60 folks named REMSAK. You just might get > > lucky. But, then again, maybe not. > > > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > > > Dennis Benarz > > http://spuscizna.org/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> > > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:47 PM > > Subject: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > > > > >> Good Afternoon, List Members, > >> > >> Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great > >> Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no idea > >> where. > >> > >> I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. > >> > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Lou Barsi > >> ********************************* > > > > ********************************* > > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Lou and Dennis, Lou, using the Steve Morse search engine for Ellis Island, looks like you will find 38 surname Remak from Hungary. http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html Mary Dennis Benarz wrote: > Hi Lou > > I am troubled by this. It would appear that our list member Mary Snow > provided you with the information found on the 1900 and 1910 US Census > entries for the Remoch/Remock/Remak of Woodbridge Township NJ on 28 December > 2008. This very same information was provided to you by Kathy Stevenson of > the Rootsweb New York List on 20 December 2008. Which one of them didn't you > believe? I've known and collaborated with Mary Snow for a long, long time > and I will certainly vouch for her. > > No matter how many times nor on how many lists you ask the question, the > answer is likely to always be same. Your great grandparents came from > somewhere in the Kingdom of Hungary, not the Kingdom of Austria. Galicia (SE > Poland and W Ukraine) was for a time a crownland of the Kingdom of Austria. > Your search should focus on Slovakia and Hungary. > > There are no magical Polish elves eagerly waiting to jump out from behind > your display screen and do your work for you. Sorry, but you need to roll up > your sleeves and start to do some research yourself. > > Dennis Benarz > http://spuscizna.org/ > > p.s. Thanks for the tip, Lavrentiy! > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> >> To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:47 PM >> Subject: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME >> >> >> >>> Good Afternoon, List Members, >>> >>> Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great >>> Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no idea >>> where. >>> >>> I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. >>> >

Dennis, Thank you for your excellent suggestions. I have always wondered about those REMAX advertisements. John and his wife Elizabeth were married in Hungary before they left for America. I will check on the marriage information although it will be a bit difficult since it is not until child number four that there was a marriage. I appreciate you help very much. Sincerely, Lou Barsi On 6/18/09, Dennis Benarz <benarz@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Lou > > No, but you will find REMAX signs in front yards and in business windows in > SE Poland. REMAX is now a global real estate firm with offices in Krakow, > Bielsko-Biala, and Zakopane in the former Austrian Crownland of Galicia. > > I think the surname REMAK has been Americanized. The best way to determine > its original form would be to visit or contact the rectory of the parish in > which he married in North America and obtain a copy of his marriage record. > That marriage record will contain a whole bunch of interesting information > including his parents' names, his home village and home diocese plus the > same information regarding his bride. It is certainly worth the price of > the > donation that you'll make to the parish in exchange for it. (If he didn't > marry in North America, then obtain of their children's baptismal records > or > a marriage record copy of your earliest ancestor who did marry in North > America. Keep in mind that you want a copy of the actual entry, not a > certificate of any kind.) > > We could speculate on what the surname was, but that really wouldn't get > you > any closer to the real truth. It could have been any one of a number of > surnames, including REMDZIAK (in 1990, 3 resided around Tarnobrzeg), REMIEC > (in 1990, there were 8 around Krosno) and REMSAK (in 1990, 60 around > Bielsko-Bialy and 2 around Rzeszow). > > Now, if you decide not to follow my suggestion about securing that parish > marriage record, then you might begin your search around Bielsko-Biala > where > there's both a REMAX office and 60 folks named REMSAK. You just might get > lucky. But, then again, maybe not. > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > Dennis Benarz > http://spuscizna.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:47 PM > Subject: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > > > Good Afternoon, List Members, > > > > Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great > > Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no idea > > where. > > > > I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Lou Barsi > > ********************************* > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lou I am troubled by this. It would appear that our list member Mary Snow provided you with the information found on the 1900 and 1910 US Census entries for the Remoch/Remock/Remak of Woodbridge Township NJ on 28 December 2008. This very same information was provided to you by Kathy Stevenson of the Rootsweb New York List on 20 December 2008. Which one of them didn't you believe? I've known and collaborated with Mary Snow for a long, long time and I will certainly vouch for her. No matter how many times nor on how many lists you ask the question, the answer is likely to always be same. Your great grandparents came from somewhere in the Kingdom of Hungary, not the Kingdom of Austria. Galicia (SE Poland and W Ukraine) was for a time a crownland of the Kingdom of Austria. Your search should focus on Slovakia and Hungary. There are no magical Polish elves eagerly waiting to jump out from behind your display screen and do your work for you. Sorry, but you need to roll up your sleeves and start to do some research yourself. Dennis Benarz http://spuscizna.org/ p.s. Thanks for the tip, Lavrentiy! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Benarz" <benarz@hotmail.com> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Hi Lou > > No, but you will find REMAX signs in front yards and in business windows > in > SE Poland. REMAX is now a global real estate firm with offices in Krakow, > Bielsko-Biala, and Zakopane in the former Austrian Crownland of Galicia. > > I think the surname REMAK has been Americanized. The best way to determine > its original form would be to visit or contact the rectory of the parish > in > which he married in North America and obtain a copy of his marriage > record. > That marriage record will contain a whole bunch of interesting information > including his parents' names, his home village and home diocese plus the > same information regarding his bride. It is certainly worth the price of > the > donation that you'll make to the parish in exchange for it. (If he didn't > marry in North America, then obtain copies of their children's baptismal > records or > a marriage record copy of your earliest ancestor who did marry in North > America. Keep in mind that you want a copy of the actual entry, not a > certificate of any kind.) > > We could speculate on what the surname was, but that really wouldn't get > you > any closer to the real truth. It could have been any one of a number of > surnames, including REMDZIAK (in 1990, 3 resided around Tarnobrzeg), > REMIEC > (in 1990, there were 8 around Krosno) and REMSAK (in 1990, 60 around > Bielsko-Bialy and 2 around Rzeszow). > > Now, if you decide not to follow my suggestion about securing that parish > marriage record, then you might begin your search around Bielsko-Biala > where > there's both a REMAX office and 60 folks named REMSAK. You just might get > lucky. But, then again, maybe not. > > Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! > > Dennis Benarz > http://spuscizna.org/ > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> > To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:47 PM > Subject: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > > >> Good Afternoon, List Members, >> >> Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great >> Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no idea >> where. >> >> I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Lou Barsi >> ********************************* > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Lou No, but you will find REMAX signs in front yards and in business windows in SE Poland. REMAX is now a global real estate firm with offices in Krakow, Bielsko-Biala, and Zakopane in the former Austrian Crownland of Galicia. I think the surname REMAK has been Americanized. The best way to determine its original form would be to visit or contact the rectory of the parish in which he married in North America and obtain a copy of his marriage record. That marriage record will contain a whole bunch of interesting information including his parents' names, his home village and home diocese plus the same information regarding his bride. It is certainly worth the price of the donation that you'll make to the parish in exchange for it. (If he didn't marry in North America, then obtain of their children's baptismal records or a marriage record copy of your earliest ancestor who did marry in North America. Keep in mind that you want a copy of the actual entry, not a certificate of any kind.) We could speculate on what the surname was, but that really wouldn't get you any closer to the real truth. It could have been any one of a number of surnames, including REMDZIAK (in 1990, 3 resided around Tarnobrzeg), REMIEC (in 1990, there were 8 around Krosno) and REMSAK (in 1990, 60 around Bielsko-Bialy and 2 around Rzeszow). Now, if you decide not to follow my suggestion about securing that parish marriage record, then you might begin your search around Bielsko-Biala where there's both a REMAX office and 60 folks named REMSAK. You just might get lucky. But, then again, maybe not. Cheers and good luck in your endeavor! Dennis Benarz http://spuscizna.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "LOUIS MICHAEL BARSI" <4701connecticut@gmail.com> To: <GALICIA@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 2:47 PM Subject: [GALICIA] REMAK SURNAME > Good Afternoon, List Members, > > Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great > Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no idea > where. > > I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. > > Thank you. > > Lou Barsi > *********************************

Good Afternoon, List Members, Has anyone heard of the REMAK surname anywhere in Galicia? My Great Grandfather was born somewhere in Galicia about 1870, but I have no idea where. I would appreciate any clues or suggestions. Thank you. Lou Barsi

Dennis, Thanks, I too suspect a war-time pass and I'm not surprised as Irene is a very attractive woman. I have never had the need to consider US records so I'll need to start learning. And there are two or three other pictures of attractive ladies - more fun, more mystery. Maciej Slugocki Hobart, Australia -----Original Message----- From: galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Benarz Sent: Sunday, 14 June 2009 1:13 AM To: galicia@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GALICIA] name on manifest Hi Dee and Maciej There are commonly three relationships described as a "sister-in-law": the sister of one's spouse, the wife of one's brother, or the wife of one's brother-in-law. Less common ways of adding sisters-in-law would involve the remarriage of persons mentioned above. Given the fact that by July 1944 almost five years of war had elapsed, a good number of persons had become widows and/or widowers and some remarried. This results in new surnames entering our family trees. But, strange things can happen to familial relationships when translated and penned on documents, especially if it means a war-time pass to visit the Big Apple. I suspect that's what happened in this particular case. Maybe, maybe not. I love a mystery. Please keep us informed. Cheers! Dennis Benarz http://spuscizna.org/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dee Sager" <dsager@hughes.net> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [GALICIA] name on manifest > > To be a sister-in-law, she could have been a sister to your father's wife > as > well as wife to his brother. > > Dee > > > >> Hello Elaine, >> >> My message was one of pure speculation. I have a number of mysteries >> about >> my father and this is just one of them. >> >> I have no idea on what basis Irena could have claimed to be my father's >> sister in-law. There may be some other alternative but, had she been a >> sister in-law, she would have been Irena Slugocka. My father only had >> one >> brother and he was executed by the Soviets in 1940 so that relationship >> is >> hardly likely - in any case my parents would have mentioned that to me. >> My speculation is therefore that there was some other relationship >> between >> my father and Irene. >> >> I don't have the time to chase this story down but perhaps someone, some >> time in the future will see this exchange of messages and establish some >> sort of link. If I had the time, and the skill I would try to track this >> down. >> >> In the mean time I am appreciative of your reply and if you come across >> any information or link I would be most appreciative. >> >> Yes, Hobart Australia is where my father ended up having started life in >> Lwow. >> >> Best wishes >> >> Maciej Slugocki >> Hobart, Australia >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of elaine frey >> Sent: Friday, 12 June 2009 9:15 PM >> To: galicia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] name on manifest >> >> Hello Maciej >> I can't believe you are in Australia and we are communicating.!!! >> However, >> I >> am sorry that I do not know of an Irene Pogorzelska. My grandmother was >> a >> Pogorzelska in Poland, Antoinette. >> Three Pogorzelskas came to live in Yonkers Marya who came with my Aunt >> Karolina. Jadwiga and Josefa. I couldn't find anything on Josefa >> arriving >> and found nothing on census reports etc for any of them. >> I am going to check with a cousin from Connecticut and if she knows of an >> Irene, I will let you know. >> Regards. >> Elaine >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Maciej Slugocki" <maciej.slugocki@iinet.net.au> >> To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [GALICIA] name on manifest >> >> >>> Hi Elaine, >>> >>> I saved this message earlier because I wanted to check a letter and >>> photo >>> I found in my deceased father's papers. The content of the letter, >>> written >>> in English, from the Consul of Poland, on letterhead paper and dated >>> July >>> 26,1944 is as follows. >>> >>> "TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: >>> This is to certify that Miss Irena Pogorzelska, 41-33 Forley St., >>> Elmhurst, L.I.N.Y., is a sister in law of Adam SLUGOCKI, a cadet-squad >>> leader, M.P.O., 304 R.C.A.F., Ottawa, Canada. >>> >>> This is being issued at the request of Miss Irena Pogorzelska in support >>> of the above named Adam SLUGOCKI's request to be permitted to visit her >>> in >>> New York on important family affairs." >>> >>> The content of the letter is intriguing to say the least. My question >>> however Elaine is. Do you know of this Irene? >>> >>> Maciej Slugocki >>> Hobart, Australia >>> >>> PS Irene is a very attractive lady. The photo was taken in summer 1943 >>> in New York and Irene looks to be in her 20s. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On Behalf Of elaine frey >>> Sent: Thursday, 4 June 2009 3:21 AM >>> To: galicia@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [GALICIA] name on manifest >>> >>> Hi, I found a second cousin on a manifest: Jadwiga Pogorzelska,arrived >>> Dec >>> 18 1913, she was born 1897. >>> She is # 11 on the manifest. >>> In column 18 she states she is going to 80 Orchard st in Yonkers NY to >>> her >>> sister?????? Pogorzelska. >>> Can you make out her name, >>> Thanks, >>> Elaine >>> The house is still there >>> ********************************* >>> Need to contact the list manager? 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Thanks, I should have mentioned that the father's brother was the only alternative as I knew the relationships on my father's wife's (my mothers) side of the family. -----Original Message----- From: galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dee Sager Sent: Saturday, 13 June 2009 10:59 AM To: galicia@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GALICIA] name on manifest To be a sister-in-law, she could have been a sister to your father's wife as well as wife to his brother. Dee > Hello Elaine, > > My message was one of pure speculation. I have a number of mysteries about > my father and this is just one of them. > > I have no idea on what basis Irena could have claimed to be my father's > sister in-law. There may be some other alternative but, had she been a > sister in-law, she would have been Irena Slugocka. My father only had one > brother and he was executed by the Soviets in 1940 so that relationship is > hardly likely - in any case my parents would have mentioned that to me. > My speculation is therefore that there was some other relationship between > my father and Irene. > > I don't have the time to chase this story down but perhaps someone, some > time in the future will see this exchange of messages and establish some > sort of link. If I had the time, and the skill I would try to track this > down. > > In the mean time I am appreciative of your reply and if you come across > any information or link I would be most appreciative. > > Yes, Hobart Australia is where my father ended up having started life in > Lwow. > > Best wishes > > Maciej Slugocki > Hobart, Australia > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of elaine frey > Sent: Friday, 12 June 2009 9:15 PM > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] name on manifest > > Hello Maciej > I can't believe you are in Australia and we are communicating.!!! However, > I > am sorry that I do not know of an Irene Pogorzelska. My grandmother was a > Pogorzelska in Poland, Antoinette. > Three Pogorzelskas came to live in Yonkers Marya who came with my Aunt > Karolina. Jadwiga and Josefa. I couldn't find anything on Josefa arriving > and found nothing on census reports etc for any of them. > I am going to check with a cousin from Connecticut and if she knows of an > Irene, I will let you know. > Regards. > Elaine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Maciej Slugocki" <maciej.slugocki@iinet.net.au> > To: <galicia@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 4:35 AM > Subject: Re: [GALICIA] name on manifest > > >> Hi Elaine, >> >> I saved this message earlier because I wanted to check a letter and photo >> I found in my deceased father's papers. The content of the letter, >> written >> in English, from the Consul of Poland, on letterhead paper and dated July >> 26,1944 is as follows. >> >> "TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN: >> This is to certify that Miss Irena Pogorzelska, 41-33 Forley St., >> Elmhurst, L.I.N.Y., is a sister in law of Adam SLUGOCKI, a cadet-squad >> leader, M.P.O., 304 R.C.A.F., Ottawa, Canada. >> >> This is being issued at the request of Miss Irena Pogorzelska in support >> of the above named Adam SLUGOCKI's request to be permitted to visit her >> in >> New York on important family affairs." >> >> The content of the letter is intriguing to say the least. My question >> however Elaine is. Do you know of this Irene? >> >> Maciej Slugocki >> Hobart, Australia >> >> PS Irene is a very attractive lady. The photo was taken in summer 1943 >> in New York and Irene looks to be in her 20s. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:galicia-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of elaine frey >> Sent: Thursday, 4 June 2009 3:21 AM >> To: galicia@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [GALICIA] name on manifest >> >> Hi, I found a second cousin on a manifest: Jadwiga Pogorzelska,arrived >> Dec >> 18 1913, she was born 1897. >> She is # 11 on the manifest. >> In column 18 she states she is going to 80 Orchard st in Yonkers NY to >> her >> sister?????? Pogorzelska. >> Can you make out her name, >> Thanks, >> Elaine >> The house is still there >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at >> GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? 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