To those mailing list members who want to continue a traditional mailing list connection to fellow researchers, I'd like to share the new hosting locations for the following lists: Galicia [Poland-Ukraine] Genealogy https://groups.io/g/Galicia-Poland-Ukraine Lithuanian Genealogy https://groups.io/g/LithuanianGenealogy Polish Genius https://groups.io/g/PolishGenius Bukowsko-Triangle (Poland) https://groups.io/g/bukowsko-triangle Ukrainian Genealogy Search https://groups.io/g/ukrainian-genealogy-search Additionally, there are many Facebook groups who have grown to be an active forum for genealogical conversation: Galicia Family History Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/GaliciaFamilyHistory/ Lithuanian Global Genealogical Society https://www.facebook.com/groups/lithuanian.genealogy/ Poland & Genealogy https://www.facebook.com/groups/polandandgenealogy/ Ukrainian Genealogy: Our Ancestors -- Наші Предки https://www.facebook.com/groups/NashiPredky/ -- Michelle Chubenko "Our Ancestors -- Наші предки / Ukrainian Genealogy" https://www.facebook.com/groups/NashiPredky/ Co-Coordinator, Family History Group Ukrainian History & Education Center http://www.ukrhec.org/family-history-group

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Sorry, I am not Linda. Hope you can find the correct email address for Linda. Sandy Coughlin On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 7:04 PM <galiciaarchives@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi Linda, > I see this is an old post but guess it might still be worth a shot. My > name is Steven and I'm a part time genealogist. I have been researching > Szwejkow and the surrounding villages like Kowalowka, Olesza etc for many > years. I was in Szwejkow, documenting the village, the church and the old > Polish cemetery. I might be able to assist you if needed. You can contact > me at galiciaarchives@hotmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/galicia@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >

Hi Linda, I see this is an old post but guess it might still be worth a shot. My name is Steven and I'm a part time genealogist. I have been researching Szwejkow and the surrounding villages like Kowalowka, Olesza etc for many years. I was in Szwejkow, documenting the village, the church and the old Polish cemetery. I might be able to assist you if needed. You can contact me at galiciaarchives@hotmail.com

hi there, I wonder if this could be a resource to locate relatives from Galicia. They came from the village of Shydlivtsi near Ternopil. Their last name was Zielinski/Zelenetski/Zelenesky/Zelensky and many derivations of the same. Many thanks for any information you may have on this region. Kim -----Original Message----- From: Becky May Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:14 PM To: galicia@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALICIA] Re: Galacia I have ancestors with the name Grabowski from the Jodlowa area in Poland. > On May 25, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Michael Rose <mjrose@npgcable.com> wrote: > > Looking for the following surnames > Rzeznik and Garbowski > > _______________________________________________ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: > https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community _______________________________________________ ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/galicia@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/galicia@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have ancestors with the name Grabowski from the Jodlowa area in Poland. > On May 25, 2018, at 4:40 PM, Michael Rose <mjrose@npgcable.com> wrote: > > Looking for the following surnames > Rzeznik and Garbowski > > _______________________________________________ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Looking for the following surnames Rzeznik and Garbowski

Hi Dee The activity level on most lists dropped off dramatically over the last ten years. Most of the lists are effectively dormant. But I am also glad they have returned, and that the old membership list were retained. Otherwise,there’d probably be very little traffic at all on the restored list. Most folks these days seem to be using Facebook lists for t his kind of thing. I suppose if you’re into facebook, that’s a good way to go, but in my experience I found genealogy-based Facebook accounts not very effective. More “chat” than “genealogy”. Bill > On May 14, 2018, at 12:16 PM, Dee Sager <dees.genealogy@gmail.com> wrote: > > I did not have to re-enroll. This message just showed up in my in-box. Glad it did. Thanks. > > Dee Sager >

I did not have to re-enroll. This message just showed up in my in-box. Glad it did. Thanks. Dee Sager -----Original Message----- From: Ken Sigmund [mailto:cub2544@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 8:53 AM To: galicia@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALICIA] Re: Question 3. House numbers Hi guys -- I research in Bielcza, which, when under Austrian control, was in the Brzesko powiat not too far from Tarnow. The houses in Bielcza were all renumbered after the second war! This was the cause of some confusion between myself and another researcher until we figured it out. No clue why they would have done that, village expansion perhaps, nor any idea how many other villages around Malopolskie may have renumbered their houses -- but it's a question worth asking if your research and/or source materials extend into post-war times. Incidentally, I did not have to re-enroll in this listserv -- the message traffic just started flowing again. Cheers. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Bill Willis <genealogytales@gmail.com> wrote: > I realize that the list has just restarted, and that anyone previously a > member will have to rejoin. Hence the number people currently subscribed > is probably quite small at present. Perhaps just myself and the list > administrator! > > In anycase, I have a fair number of questions related to genealogy in > Galicia, in one way or another. I’ve already posted two, but I probably > shouldn’t expect a response until more people join the list. So I think > I’ll just post my questions individually, and look forward to any eventual > responses that I get. > > This question pertains to house numbers in Dulcza Mala. My understanding > is that the Austrian government required data for individuals to be > recorded by house numbers. That explains the reason the Tarnow baptismal > records include house numbers for each family. When I look at maps of > Galicia based on open street maps, I see that house numbers are still > shown, and at least in the case of DUlcza Mala are in the same range as > those shown for births in Dulcza Mala in the 19th century. > > I suspect that the modern house numbers more or less the same as the > numbers assigned to houses in the early 19th century. People moved around > of course, and over the years houses came and went—but I suspect that when > I look at one of the military survey maps the houses shown are probably in > roughly the same area as those today—and that the numbers roughly > correspond. > > Thus when I see that a particular person was born/baptized in house 43, > (in village of Dulcza Mala), that’s probably about where house number 43 is > located today. > > Is that a reasonable assumption? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Regards, Ken Sigmund _______________________________________________ ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/galicia@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/galicia@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Thanks very much. I’d be interested in knowing how you figured this out. While my research in Galicia doesn’t extend much past 1930, but if the house numbers in Dulza Mala were EVER changed, and there’s no relationship between the current house numbers and those in the Tarnow Baptismal Records, then I can’t easily use them to fix precisely where my line was living in Dulcza mala in the the mid to late 19th century—which is the objective underlying my question. Checking Google maps I see that Bielcza lies about halfway between Krakow and Tarnow—clearly in the part of Galicia that was returned to the re-established Poland at the end of WWI. The renumbering after WWII in Bielcza may be related to the change in government at that time. Polish bureaucrats may have thought the old system was “untidy”. If Bielcza was renumbered, then there’s a good chance that Dulcza Mala was renumbered as well. Looking at OpenStreetMap the house numbers seem much more orderly than what I see in Dulcza Mala. In Bielcza they seem to run in a clockwise pattern starting in the Northwest and continuing in sequence. In Dulcza Mala there’s something similar (numbers increase from south to north along the main roads, but there are significant areas in the south where where it looks like more recent homes have been added with relatively large house numbers (200’s) near low house numbers (low 10’s). The Bielcza pattern may represent the effects of renumbering (tidy), while the Dulcza Mala pattern may not (untidy). I’ll have to explore other areas on OpenSteetMap to see if there’s a pattern in “tidiness”. Ie, are other areas near Dulcza Mala tidy or untidy, and how far away does that extend. The tidy patter for Bielcza might, for example extend only in the Brzesko pewit. I suspect, though, that it would take a period map (late 1800’s would do) that shows house numbers in order to resolve the problem. Something like that might exist, but it will probably take a lot of scratching to find it. Bill > On May 11, 2018, at 8:53 AM, Ken Sigmund <cub2544@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi guys -- I research in Bielcza, which, when under Austrian control, was > in the Brzesko powiat not too far from Tarnow. The houses in Bielcza were > all renumbered after the second war! This was the cause of some confusion > between myself and another researcher until we figured it out. No clue why > they would have done that, village expansion perhaps, nor any idea how many > other villages around Malopolskie may have renumbered their houses -- but > it's a question worth asking if your research and/or source materials > extend into post-war times. > > Incidentally, I did not have to re-enroll in this listserv -- the message > traffic just started flowing again. > > Cheers. > > On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Bill Willis <genealogytales@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I realize that the list has just restarted, and that anyone previously a >> member will have to rejoin. Hence the number people currently subscribed >> is probably quite small at present. Perhaps just myself and the list >> administrator! >> >> In anycase, I have a fair number of questions related to genealogy in >> Galicia, in one way or another. I’ve already posted two, but I probably >> shouldn’t expect a response until more people join the list. So I think >> I’ll just post my questions individually, and look forward to any eventual >> responses that I get. >> >> This question pertains to house numbers in Dulcza Mala. My understanding >> is that the Austrian government required data for individuals to be >> recorded by house numbers. That explains the reason the Tarnow baptismal >> records include house numbers for each family. When I look at maps of >> Galicia based on open street maps, I see that house numbers are still >> shown, and at least in the case of DUlcza Mala are in the same range as >> those shown for births in Dulcza Mala in the 19th century. >> >> I suspect that the modern house numbers more or less the same as the >> numbers assigned to houses in the early 19th century. People moved around >> of course, and over the years houses came and went—but I suspect that when >> I look at one of the military survey maps the houses shown are probably in >> roughly the same area as those today—and that the numbers roughly >> correspond. >> >> Thus when I see that a particular person was born/baptized in house 43, >> (in village of Dulcza Mala), that’s probably about where house number 43 is >> located today. >> >> Is that a reasonable assumption? >> >> Bill >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ********************************* >> Need to contact the list manager? 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Hi guys -- I research in Bielcza, which, when under Austrian control, was in the Brzesko powiat not too far from Tarnow. The houses in Bielcza were all renumbered after the second war! This was the cause of some confusion between myself and another researcher until we figured it out. No clue why they would have done that, village expansion perhaps, nor any idea how many other villages around Malopolskie may have renumbered their houses -- but it's a question worth asking if your research and/or source materials extend into post-war times. Incidentally, I did not have to re-enroll in this listserv -- the message traffic just started flowing again. Cheers. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Bill Willis <genealogytales@gmail.com> wrote: > I realize that the list has just restarted, and that anyone previously a > member will have to rejoin. Hence the number people currently subscribed > is probably quite small at present. Perhaps just myself and the list > administrator! > > In anycase, I have a fair number of questions related to genealogy in > Galicia, in one way or another. I’ve already posted two, but I probably > shouldn’t expect a response until more people join the list. So I think > I’ll just post my questions individually, and look forward to any eventual > responses that I get. > > This question pertains to house numbers in Dulcza Mala. My understanding > is that the Austrian government required data for individuals to be > recorded by house numbers. That explains the reason the Tarnow baptismal > records include house numbers for each family. When I look at maps of > Galicia based on open street maps, I see that house numbers are still > shown, and at least in the case of DUlcza Mala are in the same range as > those shown for births in Dulcza Mala in the 19th century. > > I suspect that the modern house numbers more or less the same as the > numbers assigned to houses in the early 19th century. People moved around > of course, and over the years houses came and went—but I suspect that when > I look at one of the military survey maps the houses shown are probably in > roughly the same area as those today—and that the numbers roughly > correspond. > > Thus when I see that a particular person was born/baptized in house 43, > (in village of Dulcza Mala), that’s probably about where house number 43 is > located today. > > Is that a reasonable assumption? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at > GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/ > galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/ > galicia@rootsweb.com/ > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community > -- Regards, Ken Sigmund

Hello Bill, Thank you for the information. There is a good article on Family Search Wiki, which explains the house numbers in Galician records, similar to what I have experienced in my ancestral village. Google "House Numbers in Galician Records" and you will find the article. Best regards, Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Willis" <genealogytales@gmail.com> To: galicia@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2018 7:15:48 AM Subject: [GALICIA] Re: Question 3. House numbers Thanks! You may be right at least in terms of the area around Skorodynce—That area has passed back and forth between several different states over the last 200 years or so, and the system that the Austrians imposed may not have survived. See note at bottom of message. Here’s the reason why I think this numbering system may still exist at least in the Dulcza Mala area—and area that has has LARGELY been either Polish or Austrian for the last several hundred years Mapire has a very nice map series showing ALL of the the Austrian Empire including the area they annexed during the Tripartite Partition. Here’s a link to the Second Military survey conducted 1806-1869. I personally think its the most attractive of the three http://mapire.eu/en/map/secondsurvey/?layers=osm%2C5%2C42&bbox=2358939.1506927437%2C6484820.509374364%2C2363405.9395331587%2C6488714.020502641 The link zero’s in on the northern portion of the township of Dulcza Mala, and points to the village of Dulcza Mala itself—note that its not where the modern village is. (that’s the problem being addressed in another question). There are no house numbers displayed in these Military Survey Maps, but they are still very useful. They show, for instance, individual buildings. Those apparently include houses and out buildings. They also point out things like “Wirtshaus” (taverns labeled HW). Mapire has a very interesting map display system. One of the more interesting parts is that it allows you to compare in side by side views, a particularly military survey map, at a particular location, with a modern map using “Open Street Map”. That map shows house numbers. The following link takes you to a display showing the area around the modern village of Dulza Mala in Open Street Map and in the 2nd Military Survey map. To see the open street map, however you’ll need to adjust the opacity settings in one or the other of the two displays to hide the 2nd Survey map. The houses shown (and numbered) in the open street map, of course are not generally in the exactly the same locations as the ones on the military survey maps. But in the areas where there were houses in the second survey, there are houses shown today. And those houses of today are indeed numbered. The question is really “do these numbers roughly correspond to the old house numbering system”? And then “ is a house numbered today as say “43” roughly in the same location in the Military survey map—despite the changes over the last 150 years? The house numbers in the Tarnow records have proven very useful guides to figuring out family relationships, even if I don’t know for sure exactly where they are located today. But if todays numbers at least roughly correspond to the locations of the Military survey maps then I can carry this a bit further—for example point out that before their marriage two people (or at least their parens) were living relatively close together—or not—a point that helps me better understand their story. Note: With regard to your information on Skorodynce—that area is also shown in the Military Survey maps, and in the open street map. It does not look to me that the version of Open Street Map has the same level of detail as shown in the Dulcza Mala area. The Second Military Survey map does show Skorodynce, with numerous buildings, confined to a fairly discretely defined area. It is definitely more village-like than Dulcza Mala where the houses are much more dispersed. However, in open Street map no buildings are shown in the Skorodynce area today. Nor are there many buildings anywhere in the general area, except where congregated into towns. (Chortkiv, for example, shows up distinctly in both maps, with numerous buildings. Interestingly enough, if you look at the aerial view (another option on Mapire) many of the buildings in Chortkiv are in fact numbered. Outlying areas such as Skorodynce still do not show up with numbered buildings, but its clear in the aerial view that the village remains——it's just the buildings are not shown (dotted line around the village is all that appears. Perhaps the problem here is not so much that the numbering system has not survived, but that it no one has taken the time to include the numbering system in outlying areas as shown on open street map, or to depict billings in these outlying areas. Thanks again Bill > On May 9, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Ralph Harris <rharris@myaccess.ca> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > My ancestral village is Skorodynce, near Chortkiv, Western Ukraine. > > My grandfather was born in House #51. I have a Cadastral land map of the village show all the land parcels and house numbers. I sent the map to my cousin in the village, and they took a photo of the location my ancestral home was once located. My cousin in Skorodynce was not aware that such a map existed, so I don't think that numbering system still exists. > > Best regards, > > Ralph Harris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Willis" <genealogytales@gmail.com> > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:02:02 AM > Subject: [GALICIA] Question 3. House numbers > > I realize that the list has just restarted, and that anyone previously a member will have to rejoin. Hence the number people currently subscribed is probably quite small at present. Perhaps just myself and the list administrator! > > In anycase, I have a fair number of questions related to genealogy in Galicia, in one way or another. I’ve already posted two, but I probably shouldn’t expect a response until more people join the list. So I think I’ll just post my questions individually, and look forward to any eventual responses that I get. > > This question pertains to house numbers in Dulcza Mala. My understanding is that the Austrian government required data for individuals to be recorded by house numbers. That explains the reason the Tarnow baptismal records include house numbers for each family. When I look at maps of Galicia based on open street maps, I see that house numbers are still shown, and at least in the case of DUlcza Mala are in the same range as those shown for births in Dulcza Mala in the 19th century. > > I suspect that the modern house numbers more or less the same as the numbers assigned to houses in the early 19th century. People moved around of course, and over the years houses came and went—but I suspect that when I look at one of the military survey maps the houses shown are probably in roughly the same area as those today—and that the numbers roughly correspond. > > Thus when I see that a particular person was born/baptized in house 43, (in village of Dulcza Mala), that’s probably about where house number 43 is located today. > > Is that a reasonable assumption? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? 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Thanks! You may be right at least in terms of the area around Skorodynce—That area has passed back and forth between several different states over the last 200 years or so, and the system that the Austrians imposed may not have survived. See note at bottom of message. Here’s the reason why I think this numbering system may still exist at least in the Dulcza Mala area—and area that has has LARGELY been either Polish or Austrian for the last several hundred years Mapire has a very nice map series showing ALL of the the Austrian Empire including the area they annexed during the Tripartite Partition. Here’s a link to the Second Military survey conducted 1806-1869. I personally think its the most attractive of the three http://mapire.eu/en/map/secondsurvey/?layers=osm%2C5%2C42&bbox=2358939.1506927437%2C6484820.509374364%2C2363405.9395331587%2C6488714.020502641 The link zero’s in on the northern portion of the township of Dulcza Mala, and points to the village of Dulcza Mala itself—note that its not where the modern village is. (that’s the problem being addressed in another question). There are no house numbers displayed in these Military Survey Maps, but they are still very useful. They show, for instance, individual buildings. Those apparently include houses and out buildings. They also point out things like “Wirtshaus” (taverns labeled HW). Mapire has a very interesting map display system. One of the more interesting parts is that it allows you to compare in side by side views, a particularly military survey map, at a particular location, with a modern map using “Open Street Map”. That map shows house numbers. The following link takes you to a display showing the area around the modern village of Dulza Mala in Open Street Map and in the 2nd Military Survey map. To see the open street map, however you’ll need to adjust the opacity settings in one or the other of the two displays to hide the 2nd Survey map. The houses shown (and numbered) in the open street map, of course are not generally in the exactly the same locations as the ones on the military survey maps. But in the areas where there were houses in the second survey, there are houses shown today. And those houses of today are indeed numbered. The question is really “do these numbers roughly correspond to the old house numbering system”? And then “ is a house numbered today as say “43” roughly in the same location in the Military survey map—despite the changes over the last 150 years? The house numbers in the Tarnow records have proven very useful guides to figuring out family relationships, even if I don’t know for sure exactly where they are located today. But if todays numbers at least roughly correspond to the locations of the Military survey maps then I can carry this a bit further—for example point out that before their marriage two people (or at least their parens) were living relatively close together—or not—a point that helps me better understand their story. Note: With regard to your information on Skorodynce—that area is also shown in the Military Survey maps, and in the open street map. It does not look to me that the version of Open Street Map has the same level of detail as shown in the Dulcza Mala area. The Second Military Survey map does show Skorodynce, with numerous buildings, confined to a fairly discretely defined area. It is definitely more village-like than Dulcza Mala where the houses are much more dispersed. However, in open Street map no buildings are shown in the Skorodynce area today. Nor are there many buildings anywhere in the general area, except where congregated into towns. (Chortkiv, for example, shows up distinctly in both maps, with numerous buildings. Interestingly enough, if you look at the aerial view (another option on Mapire) many of the buildings in Chortkiv are in fact numbered. Outlying areas such as Skorodynce still do not show up with numbered buildings, but its clear in the aerial view that the village remains——it's just the buildings are not shown (dotted line around the village is all that appears. Perhaps the problem here is not so much that the numbering system has not survived, but that it no one has taken the time to include the numbering system in outlying areas as shown on open street map, or to depict billings in these outlying areas. Thanks again Bill > On May 9, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Ralph Harris <rharris@myaccess.ca> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > > My ancestral village is Skorodynce, near Chortkiv, Western Ukraine. > > My grandfather was born in House #51. I have a Cadastral land map of the village show all the land parcels and house numbers. I sent the map to my cousin in the village, and they took a photo of the location my ancestral home was once located. My cousin in Skorodynce was not aware that such a map existed, so I don't think that numbering system still exists. > > Best regards, > > Ralph Harris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Willis" <genealogytales@gmail.com> > To: galicia@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:02:02 AM > Subject: [GALICIA] Question 3. House numbers > > I realize that the list has just restarted, and that anyone previously a member will have to rejoin. Hence the number people currently subscribed is probably quite small at present. Perhaps just myself and the list administrator! > > In anycase, I have a fair number of questions related to genealogy in Galicia, in one way or another. I’ve already posted two, but I probably shouldn’t expect a response until more people join the list. So I think I’ll just post my questions individually, and look forward to any eventual responses that I get. > > This question pertains to house numbers in Dulcza Mala. My understanding is that the Austrian government required data for individuals to be recorded by house numbers. That explains the reason the Tarnow baptismal records include house numbers for each family. When I look at maps of Galicia based on open street maps, I see that house numbers are still shown, and at least in the case of DUlcza Mala are in the same range as those shown for births in Dulcza Mala in the 19th century. > > I suspect that the modern house numbers more or less the same as the numbers assigned to houses in the early 19th century. People moved around of course, and over the years houses came and went—but I suspect that when I look at one of the military survey maps the houses shown are probably in roughly the same area as those today—and that the numbers roughly correspond. > > Thus when I see that a particular person was born/baptized in house 43, (in village of Dulcza Mala), that’s probably about where house number 43 is located today. > > Is that a reasonable assumption? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? 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Hi Bill, My ancestral village is Skorodynce, near Chortkiv, Western Ukraine. My grandfather was born in House #51. I have a Cadastral land map of the village show all the land parcels and house numbers. I sent the map to my cousin in the village, and they took a photo of the location my ancestral home was once located. My cousin in Skorodynce was not aware that such a map existed, so I don't think that numbering system still exists. Best regards, Ralph Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Willis" <genealogytales@gmail.com> To: galicia@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2018 11:02:02 AM Subject: [GALICIA] Question 3. House numbers I realize that the list has just restarted, and that anyone previously a member will have to rejoin. Hence the number people currently subscribed is probably quite small at present. Perhaps just myself and the list administrator! In anycase, I have a fair number of questions related to genealogy in Galicia, in one way or another. I’ve already posted two, but I probably shouldn’t expect a response until more people join the list. So I think I’ll just post my questions individually, and look forward to any eventual responses that I get. This question pertains to house numbers in Dulcza Mala. My understanding is that the Austrian government required data for individuals to be recorded by house numbers. That explains the reason the Tarnow baptismal records include house numbers for each family. When I look at maps of Galicia based on open street maps, I see that house numbers are still shown, and at least in the case of DUlcza Mala are in the same range as those shown for births in Dulcza Mala in the 19th century. I suspect that the modern house numbers more or less the same as the numbers assigned to houses in the early 19th century. People moved around of course, and over the years houses came and went—but I suspect that when I look at one of the military survey maps the houses shown are probably in roughly the same area as those today—and that the numbers roughly correspond. Thus when I see that a particular person was born/baptized in house 43, (in village of Dulcza Mala), that’s probably about where house number 43 is located today. Is that a reasonable assumption? Bill _______________________________________________ ********************************* Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/postorius/lists/galicia@rootsweb.com/ Archives: https://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/hyperkitty/list/galicia@rootsweb.com/ Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

The Tarnow Baptismal records (at least as transcribed on Ancestry and Family Search, identify every baptism in "Dulcza Mala, Dulcza Mala”. I’m interpreting that to mean “in the village of Dulcza Mala, in the township/community of Dulcza Mala). he Second Military survey map of the area shows a “village” in the northern end of the Dulza Mala Township, and at some distance from where the modern village lies. My interpretation of this is that in the Tarnow Baptismal records the first Dulcza Mala is the location where the records of the township Dulcza Mala. This seems to be born out because when I look at other townships in the area, the same pattern “village, Township” is repeated, and the village is the same name as the township. In the case of Dulcza Mala the location of the “village” has changed over the years from lying in the north of the township, to a more central location. It looks like it didn’t matter where the “village” was actually located—where every the person who was recording this data lived, that location became “Dulcza Mala”. Have I got any of this right? Bill

I realize that the list has just restarted, and that anyone previously a member will have to rejoin. Hence the number people currently subscribed is probably quite small at present. Perhaps just myself and the list administrator! In anycase, I have a fair number of questions related to genealogy in Galicia, in one way or another. I’ve already posted two, but I probably shouldn’t expect a response until more people join the list. So I think I’ll just post my questions individually, and look forward to any eventual responses that I get. This question pertains to house numbers in Dulcza Mala. My understanding is that the Austrian government required data for individuals to be recorded by house numbers. That explains the reason the Tarnow baptismal records include house numbers for each family. When I look at maps of Galicia based on open street maps, I see that house numbers are still shown, and at least in the case of DUlcza Mala are in the same range as those shown for births in Dulcza Mala in the 19th century. I suspect that the modern house numbers more or less the same as the numbers assigned to houses in the early 19th century. People moved around of course, and over the years houses came and went—but I suspect that when I look at one of the military survey maps the houses shown are probably in roughly the same area as those today—and that the numbers roughly correspond. Thus when I see that a particular person was born/baptized in house 43, (in village of Dulcza Mala), that’s probably about where house number 43 is located today. Is that a reasonable assumption? Bill

Can anyone tell me whether Dulza Mala is still within the Tarnow diocese? Bill

Good afternoon I am looking for background information for the Dulza Mala area about 1850+- 30 years It is my understanding that during the above period it was a separate township/commune (gmina), but the former townships of Dulcza mala, Dulcza Wielki, Radomyśl Wielki have now been incorporated into a single township under the name of Radomyśl Wielki I’ve seen references to attacks on manorial estates in the area during the 1846 peasant uprising, but am finding it difficult to relocate my original sources. I’ve seen references to attacks in Dulza Wielki, and in Radomysil Wieki. But not in Dulcza Mala. Can someone point me to a source for what happened in the 1846 uprising in these areas? Thanks

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I haven’ received messages from this subject for sometime but glad it is back. Keep in touch. Becky S. May > On Dec 9, 2017, at 1:11 PM, Elaine Semanik <ems22@comcast.net> wrote: > > Is this still viable research forum? > > > Elaine Semanik > ********************************* > Need to contact the list manager? Write to Marie at GALICIA-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GALICIA-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message