Jim, I think they have these SMITHS all cobbled up. What I see on them makes no sense to me and I do not care how good the information seems to be. I also wonder how some have gotten their hands on wills and deeds from court houses that burned. In Jefferson there are few if any records before 1850, as I understand it. I think a lot of these are re-constructed records and not originals. In Washington you can forget it, there is nothing early, there. My problem is - I do not need information after 1850, I have all of that. I need early information and that is what is non-existent. Take for example the name of Jordan SMITH. We both know that a JORDAN was probably in his ancestry or a close collateral. Maybe some do not but I know well where the JORDANS were from, who they were tied to and how they interact with most of these other families. That is what sometimes upsets me about a lot of researchers. I can look at a set of collaterals in a certain area and say "that is possible" or "that is not possible." The reason being is these folks married over and over into the same families and they did it for generations. Take the MOYES and MOORES of Beaufort and Pitt County, NC, they supposedly followed each other for over 300 years. I feel the choice of a mate was first based on "family" and second it was based on "class" which is the reason we have so many close marriages in most of this bunch. Take for an example, if "Momma" could not find someone in the "family" for Johnny, she picked out the best choice of the same class in her extended family for her son and Johnny usually did exactly what Momma told him - he married her and they generally lived happily ever after, unlike today. One of my maternal families, the TOMLINSONS of Bulloch and Clinch County, GA, are loaded with examples of cousins marrying cousins and I do not think my paternal DANIELS were any different. Only after the CW do you start to see this tendency change and folks started marrying who they wanted to marry and by the time of WW II all of this was out the window. I thought for a long time my DANIELS were from Pitt but maybe this was not so. It was not until I found Robert DANIEL, Thomas TARVER and Noah SMITH sitting, side by side, in Greene County, NC in 1800 that I knew for sure where they came from before moving to Burke County, GA ABT 1810. The VALLOTTONS of Burke told me many years ago that Robert C. DANIEL (ABT 1765-AFT 1830) was married to a Penelope LANE but I never could confirm it until I found a 1805 deed in Wayne County, NC which listed Penny DANIEL and her husband, Robert, as heirs of Capt. Isham LANE (ABT 1730-1801) of Greene County, NC. It seems my whole bunch lived on the border of Greene and Wayne County, NC and descendants say these LANES say they migrated there from Edgecombe. I do not know where Robert DANIEL came from because Greene County, NC is a burned over county, like Burke, Jefferson and Washington County, GA The RAIFORDS are probably related to the RAIFORDS of Edgefield but Lt. John RAIFORD RS-NC (1758-1812) and Rebecca SPELL were their ancestors. I cannot put my finger on the MARSHALLS and where they came from because I do not find them around the DANIELS or LANES in Greene or Wayne County, NC in the years before 1810. According to my information the RAIFORDS were from New Bern, Craven County, NC. John and Rebecca had four children that I know of - Lucy RAIFORD married Joseph MARSHALL, Jr as his first wife, William Hamilton "Ham" RAIFORD, Esq. married a Mary WELCH, Robert RAIFORD married a WATSON and I do not know who John, Jr. married. I also cannot put my finger on the PERRY family but there were PERRYS in Greene County, NC so that was probably where they were from. The key family in this overall bunch were the TARVERS. They were from Northampton County, NC, generally but like all of these other folks they had tentacles in many of these other close counties, like Edgecombe, Greene, Wayne, etc. Samuel TARVER III (1739-1802) was married to Celia JORDAN (1739-1819) and anytime I see the Celia name, I know generally about where it came from. The Thomas I find in Greene County, NC I believe to be his brother, Thomas TARVER born ABT 1740. Their mother was a DAVIS, another name we see all around this bunch. Samuel and Thomas had a sister, Mary TARVER who married an Alexander BANKS, another name we see around this whole bunch. Celia Jordan TARVER was the d/o George JORDAN III and Patience WARREN of Northampton County, NC. Notice that "big WARREN" name sitting there. Anytime you see WARREN, look for WHITFIELDS, BRYANS and SMITHS because they will not be far away. In fact, Patience's sister, Chloe WARREN married Matthew WHITFIELD and guess who their daughter was -- Betsy WHITFIELD who married Capt. Aaron DANIEL RS-NC (1733-ABT 1800) The problem with Aaron and Betsy is there is no will or deed listing who their children were. So, every DANIEL and their uncle have claimed descent from Capt. Aaron and Betsy with not one shred of proof. Some have even cobbled up his first cousin, Enoch DANIEL RS-NC who married Sarah DELL, into his family but that is not so. We now know that Capt. Enoch DANIEL was a son of Capt. Robert Lanier DANIEL (1718-1794) and UNK of Pitt. Anytime you take an extended family of the same name, whether they be DANIEL or SMITH and you have a bunch of first cousins operating in the same general area in the same time frame it is real easy to say they were brothers and not cousins of some variety. To see the connections in most of these families, all you need to do is look at the marriage of the children of George JORDAN III. They are a key family. Celia married Samuel TARVER, III, Elizabeth married John TARVER, Hannah married Thomas VINSON, Nancy married Francis Richard FLANDERS, Josiah married Judith HILL (d/o Abraham HILL and Judith HINTON) and Benjamin married an Elizabeth HARVEY. These are all eastern NC families, primarily Northampton, whose ancestors lived in Southside, VA, primarily IOW and Surry. Worse yet, all of their chillen were first cousins and guess who they married more often than not -- first cousins. So, we have all of these first cousins and 1C1R's sitting in or around Richmond, Burke, Jefferson, Washington and Emanuel County, GA in a later time frame. My best guess on most of these families is they were originally out of Surry or IOW and then migrated to various locations in eastern NC where they would pick up a few new families in their extended family. After the RW a lot of them migrated to GA where they renewed the relationships that had begun in VA a hundred years or so, before. That's my guess and all links seem to point in that direction. The one thing I see in my bunch is the Huguenot connection in all too many of these families. We know that John LANIER and my Louis RENEAU were two of the founding settlers of Manikin Town, VA, a Huguenot settlement located south of Richmond. I think a lot of these close families of this area of GA had links to this original settlement. There was another Huguenot settlement in the French Santee area of SC, which may account for many of the links I see in my family to that area. We also know that Huguenot meant Presbyterian and Oglethorpe University in Milledgeville, GA was an extension of Princeton University in NJ, another Presbyterian institution. I am not fully convinced my DANIEL bunch were not from somewhere along the Atlantic Seaboard - Somerset County, MD or maybe along the NJ coastline. They may have even been VA folks that moved north from VA and then south after the RW, along the same path south as the CALLAWAYS, who are collateral with my bunch. . They could have also been McDANIEL, McDONALD, DONNELL or some other name at an earlier point but what I do know is where ever they went, they went there with more than pocket change in their pockets and made the best of what the situation offered. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Littlefield, Jr." <jimbo57@bellsouth.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] John Perry > John, > I didn't find any Whitfield, Bryan, Burgamy, Marshall, Quinney, or Moye > families in my Smith database. Where does the Raiford's come in? I show > a son of Ann and Thomas R. Wood that is named James Raiford Wood > (other children: Ann, Sarah, Thomas and Nancy, but no John). > > Brantley's are all over my Smith and other related lines. In fact, I have > two direct links to this same Brantley family. > > The Henry line into my Smith line is very weak for documentation. Colby > is said to have married Rebecca Anna Henry, daughter of Micajah and > Rebecca Henry. Do not know who Colsby Smith's parents are. Some > say Thomas Smith and Anita Colby but as far as I know, nobody has > any proof. > Jimbo > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:49 PM > Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] John Perry > > > > Jim, > > There are several reason I think they may be connected, not > necessarily > > close but connected in some way. > > Rev. Isaac SMITH, Colby's son, married Asneath BRANTLEY and the > > BRANTLEYS are all over the Benjamin DANIEL and Lucretia BURGAMY family of > > Washington and later, Laurens County, GA. > > Ann Colsby SMITH married a Thomas R. WOOD and a John WOOD was listed > in > > the 1845 will of Ann MARSHALL (ABt 1770-1845) of Jefferson County, GA. > She > > was the widow of Joseph MARSHALL, Sr. If you have any QUINNEY, MOYE, > > RAIFORDS or the like around you bunch, then I would say they were probably > > connected. > > However, the HENRYS are what caught my eye. Colby SMITH was married > to > > a HENRY and so was Col. Nathan JOHNSTON (1738-1807) of St. Peter's Parish, > > Beaufort County, SC. Actually Col. HENRY was not of Beaufort District, SC > > until later, originally he was of Pitt County, NC and the father of Col. > > Amos JOHNSTON (1768-1815) of Beaufort who married Elizabeth DANIEL, d/o > > Josiah DANIEL and Elizabeth MAY nee TISON. > > The noted chronicler of eastern NC families, Coy K. JOHNSTON, Esq. of > > Atlanta was a descendant of Col Amos and Elizabeth Daniel JOHNSTON of > > Danielton, Jasper County, SC. Josiah was the younger brother of Capt. > Aaron > > DANIEL who married Elizabeth WHITFIELD, whose mother was a WARREN. > Aaron's > > son, Benjamin DANIEL was the boy who married Lucretia BURGAMY and lived in > > the part of Washington County that was later cut into Laurens County, GA. > > There are three families out of the Craven/Dobbs area of Eastern NC > that > > ride together like the Three Musketeers. They are the SMITHS, the > > WHITFIELDS and the BRYANS. If you have any of these families in your > > overall bunch, you can bet your boopy these SMITHS are related...... > > > > John R. Clarke > > Thomasville, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim Littlefield, Jr." <jimbo57@bellsouth.net> > > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 7:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] John Perry > > > > > > > John, > > > Colsby Smith is my fourth great-grandfather and this line has been > > > extensively > > > documented from his generation. Unless somebody has made a connection > > > that I haven't seen, neither Noah nor Jordan Smith is in the Colsby > Smith > > > line. > > > > > > One of Colsby's sons, Micajah, had a son named David but I do not have > any > > > more info on him at the moment. Micajah was born 1786 Chatham Co., NC > > > and married Elizabeth Duty. > > > > > > I am interested in the David T. Smith of Jefferson Co. since he married > > > Frances > > > Ross, sister to my third great-grandfather, Jonathan Ross (now you know > > > where > > > one of David's son's name came from). > > > Jimbo > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> > > > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 6:50 PM > > > Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] John Perry > > > > > > > > > > I do feel that Noah SMITH of Jefferson County, GA who was married > to > > > > Wylanty WAY was related in some way to Rev. Jordan SMITH or his wife, > > Mary > > > > GAINER, because Joseph and Rev. SMITH were living side by side in 1820 > > in > > > > Jefferson County, GA. Later, Rev. SMITH moved to Washington County, > GA. > > > > All of these SMITHS may have also been related, in some way, to Colby > > > SMITH > > > > and Rebecca Ann HENRY, also of Washington County, GA because I have an > > L. > > > C. > > > > SMITH that married Julia R. DANIEL (b. ABT 1842) in 1859. She was the > > > > daughter of Robert W. DANIEL, my GGF, but by a different wife. In > 1860, > > > > this, some say Luther (Lewis is also a possibility) C. SMITH, age 24, > > Noah > > > > SMITH, age 42 and Robert W. 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