I could not agree with John more!!!! The other major problem also includes lack of records from which to put families together, not to mention errors in the transcribed records, not to mention the number of assumed connections.... In our Coats DNA project we have found at least 3 or 4 unrelated Coats lines out of SC, we thought they were all related because they were there about the same time...but without documentation how would you tell? We've also found that some connections in print form didn't match in the DNA project....so the DNA projects are really worth their while...also focuses your research!! But as John says, the old research has just made things more complex i.e. if several of the same named lived in the same area about the same time, they were all assumed to be related, but when you try to check the references or documents, there just isn't anything to support, say those 16 kids, Thomas and Mary had....so where did all those kids come from...in a lot of cases they were guessed at...but once published boy, it's hard to break that wall again...:) Also in the old research, a lot of times they didn't distinquish the difference between say, Johns, they were just lumped all together... I also had an ancestor married twice and each wife named a son William...so he had two sons named William...now without the Bible record, we'd probably never have figured that out... So the up shot is: if you don't have a DNA record, you should get one...someday, that will be the only way to determine family relationship...the records for those early years are getting so old a lot of the archives will not make microfilm copies etc....and it is really getting expensive...SS applications from $7.00 to $47.00 dollars I think it was... But for $99.00 you can plug instantly into a group!!! and then focus your research after that if you wish!!! Family Tree DNA is here: http://www.ftdna.com Charlotte Coats Digital Archive http://www.rootsquest.com/~coatsfar ----Original Message Follows---- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> Reply-To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] DNA Tests at FamilyTreeDna Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:30:35 -0400 Margie, We did it and the results surprised me. My research said my DANIEL line was probably out of the Thomas DANIEL the First of IOW County, VA line and it was not. In fact, it really surprised me with its results and it has thrown a lot of DANIEL lines in disarray because these lines were built on the research of others and this mess was all wrong. I guess you might say, my DANIEL bunch were in locations they never should have been located and with no strong links to those folks with whom they are 25/25 marker matches with - descendants of Capt. William DANIEL (1625-1698) family of Middlesex County, VA. I will tell this list the same things I told the DANIEL list -- DNA is the only definitive proof of a family relationship, these days and research not backed up with DNA is useless in my opinion. The problem is folks re-used so many given names in the early Colonial Period a lot of these folks have been assigned, incorrectly. I do not think these errors occurred in later periods (AFT 1850) but early (before 1800). Once you go down the wrong road, it is hard to get back on track, as we have all found out. I am not saying these folks that wrote these family histories did not do the best they could with the information they had in hand, they did, but there is only so much you can do with primary source information and a lot of what you do in your research is a "guess, at best." DNA takes the guesswork out of it by showing you, exactly, who you are related to. I also believe that only 25/25 marker matches should be even looked at as family in the Colonial American timeframe. I know that others will say that "one or two markers off are still family" and they are correct but they do not say "when you shared a common ancestor" and that is what you want to know. Statistically, with a 25/25 marker match to an identical surname means you have a 90% chance of sharing a common ancestor in the Colonial American time frame (14.4 generations) with someone's whose DNA matches, perfectly, that of your line. Any match less than 25/25 means you probably shared a MRCA (most recent common ancestor) before the Colonial American time frame. One marker off means you probably shared a MRCA in the 12th century and 2 markers off means you probably shared a MRCA in the Dark Ages. The actual figures used by FamilyTreeDNA is a 25/25 marker match means you have a 50% probability to share a MRCA in the past seven generations. However, statisticians will not even look at probabilities less than 90% to establish relationships, which is why I used this figure - 14.4 generations. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA _________________________________________________________________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/

Wow this connects on several lines, I'm connected to the Willoughby on my mother's side which is Hadden and on my father's side which is the Puckett is connected to the Dabney. Maybe I can find a concrete connections. Margie Puckett King ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > Hi, > I have the WILLOUGHBYS up with the MOORES and MOYES in Princess Anne > County, VA -- early. We know the MOORES and the MOYES followed each other > for 300 years, which probably means the WILLOUGHBYS were close. > Princess Anne County, VA is also the home of the CANNONS and CASONS, two > other families which followed the MOORES and MOYES to the Beaufort and Pitt > County, NC area, later. > I think the CASONS were related to my DANIEL bunch in Pitt and we know > this DANIEL bunch was related to the Capt. James DANIELL (1709-1761) and > Jenney HICKS family of Albemarle County, VA - perfect DNA matches with their > descendants. The DABNEYS, JEFFERSONS, RANDOLPHS, BLAND, WHITING, PORTER, > SWANNS and others, many from Gloucester County, VA are also in this little > group and they later roll back to Beaufort and Pitt County, NC. I have not > yet found the connections between these families but I feel they connect. > > They say this MOORE family of Princess Anne County, VA was related to > the James MOORE family of Charleston and I do not disagree with that > assignment because the Col. Maurice MOORE (1683-1743) family of New Hanover > County, NC is all over some of the direct and collaterals of the above > mentioned families. Maurice was the son of Gov. James MOORE and Margaret > BELLINGER of Charleston, Berkeley County, SC and he was also the best friend > of Gov. Robert DANIELL (1646-1718) of Charleston, SC. > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margie King" <heyred@knology.net> > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:37 PM > Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > > > > Meloney I would appreciate anything you find on a Frank E. Winslett. I'm > > having a hard time with this person. He as married to Nancy Geneva Hadden > > in 1917 and she died June 6, 1921 3 days after giving birth to Mary Edna > > Winslett. Frank gave Mary Edna to my mother and grandmother to raise and > > no > > knows what happened to him after that day. > > > > I will check my records on Willoughby. I would love to find a picture of > > Mary Hadden that married a Willoughby. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Margie > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Meloney Taylor" <smtay87@bellsouth.net> > > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:53 AM > > Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > > > > > >> > >> Margie > >> > >> I did find Frank E. Winslett in the 1930 census married living in > >> Highland > >> Park, Polk Co., Florida. > >> > >> Do you need this information? Also, I notice that you were looking for > >> Willoughby family at one time too. Do you have anything on a Asa > >> Willoughby? > >> > >> Meloney > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------Original Message------- > >> > >> From: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > >> Date: 07/24/04 09:13:29 > >> To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > >> > >> Meloney, thank you for your reply. Frank that is living in the household > > of > >> Benjamin Odom was my uncle. He was married to my aunt Nancy G. Hadden in > >> September 1917 and his wife died on June 5, 1921 after giving birth to a > >> baby girl on June 3, 1921. When his wife died my grandmother and my > >> mother > >> raised the baby girl. I would like to find out where or what happened to > >> Frank. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > >> Thanks, Margie > >> > >> > >> ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > >> NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > > messages, > > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds > > for > > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > >> > >> ============================== > >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. 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Hi, I have the WILLOUGHBYS up with the MOORES and MOYES in Princess Anne County, VA -- early. We know the MOORES and the MOYES followed each other for 300 years, which probably means the WILLOUGHBYS were close. Princess Anne County, VA is also the home of the CANNONS and CASONS, two other families which followed the MOORES and MOYES to the Beaufort and Pitt County, NC area, later. I think the CASONS were related to my DANIEL bunch in Pitt and we know this DANIEL bunch was related to the Capt. James DANIELL (1709-1761) and Jenney HICKS family of Albemarle County, VA - perfect DNA matches with their descendants. The DABNEYS, JEFFERSONS, RANDOLPHS, BLAND, WHITING, PORTER, SWANNS and others, many from Gloucester County, VA are also in this little group and they later roll back to Beaufort and Pitt County, NC. I have not yet found the connections between these families but I feel they connect. They say this MOORE family of Princess Anne County, VA was related to the James MOORE family of Charleston and I do not disagree with that assignment because the Col. Maurice MOORE (1683-1743) family of New Hanover County, NC is all over some of the direct and collaterals of the above mentioned families. Maurice was the son of Gov. James MOORE and Margaret BELLINGER of Charleston, Berkeley County, SC and he was also the best friend of Gov. Robert DANIELL (1646-1718) of Charleston, SC. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie King" <heyred@knology.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > Meloney I would appreciate anything you find on a Frank E. Winslett. I'm > having a hard time with this person. He as married to Nancy Geneva Hadden > in 1917 and she died June 6, 1921 3 days after giving birth to Mary Edna > Winslett. Frank gave Mary Edna to my mother and grandmother to raise and > no > knows what happened to him after that day. > > I will check my records on Willoughby. I would love to find a picture of > Mary Hadden that married a Willoughby. > > Thanks for your help, > Margie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Meloney Taylor" <smtay87@bellsouth.net> > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > > >> >> Margie >> >> I did find Frank E. Winslett in the 1930 census married living in >> Highland >> Park, Polk Co., Florida. >> >> Do you need this information? Also, I notice that you were looking for >> Willoughby family at one time too. Do you have anything on a Asa >> Willoughby? >> >> Meloney >> >> >> >> >> -------Original Message------- >> >> From: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >> Date: 07/24/04 09:13:29 >> To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 >> >> Meloney, thank you for your reply. Frank that is living in the household > of >> Benjamin Odom was my uncle. He was married to my aunt Nancy G. Hadden in >> September 1917 and his wife died on June 5, 1921 after giving birth to a >> baby girl on June 3, 1921. When his wife died my grandmother and my >> mother >> raised the baby girl. I would like to find out where or what happened to >> Frank. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Thanks, Margie >> >> >> ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== >> NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds > for > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM >> >> ============================== >> Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration >> Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >> >> > > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the GAJEFFER mailing list, use > GAJEFFER-l-request@rootsweb.com or GAJEFFER-d-request@rootsweb.com if you > are on the Digest list. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I would like to talk with someone that had done the DNA just to see if what results they get. Do you know if anyone is doing DNA on the HADDEN family? Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:10 PM Subject: [GAJEFFER] DNA Tests at FamilyTreeDna > John, > Its real easy to conduct a "Y" DNA test. This is a test for males, > only, and is especially beneficial for families trying to track their family > name to see if it matches another person from the same family. > > In case you did not know, the male "Y" chromosome is passed from father > to son, unchanged. So, a male's "Y" chromosome is the same as his paternal > father, grandfather, GGF and all the way back in his paternal male line. > This being the case, you can use it to find other families of your same name > that are related to you. > > In my case, my "Y" goes all the way back to my 3rd GGF, Frederick Carl > Wilhelm RICHTER (ABT 1750-AFT 1799) of Reichenbach, Liegnitz, Schlesien, > Prussia > > To take this test go to... > Go to http://www.familytreedna.com/ > > Search for the DNA Project for the name of a project covering the surname > you want. In this case, PARKER. I already have done it for your, so here > is the link. If someone does not want the name, PARKER, they can search for > some other surname project from the opening page of this website: > > http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Parker > > Contact the person who is running the list (there is a form, provided) and > join their group. The coordinator for the project will send you all the > details. > > Then, you can buy the kit and they will send it to you. All you do this > is a mouth swab, according to the instructions in the kit. Then, send it > back to them for testing. It takes about 2-3 months to get the results > back. > > After you get the results, your Project coordinator should group you > results on another website and show you who matches whom. Regardless, > FamilyTreeDNA will have a link to your test kit number and it will show you > everybody who matches within 2 markers, the results of your test. > > Some say that if you match 23/25 makers you are family but the problem > with this, they do not tell you when you shared a Most Recent Common > Ancestor (MRCA) and a drift of 2 markers means that MRCA could have > been about the time of Christ but I suggest looking at their statistical > data only after you get your results. > > Take for an example our 25/25 marker matches. This tells us we have a > 50% probability of having a MRCA in 7 generation but no statistician worth > his salt would ever consider a 50% probability as meaningful so you really > need to look at the 90% probability curves and that says we probably shared > a MRCA in the past 14 generations, which for most of us is about the time of > the Colonial American period - 1600. > > If you have any drift (23/25 or 24/25) this drift just extends the time > frame for which you shared a MRCA. I do not remember the exact 90% > probability curve for a 24/25 marker match but it was well over 20 > generations and that puts you back into the Dark Ages before the use of > surnames were even in use. BTW, surnames came into you sometime in the 12th > Century for most Europeans. > > I assume you know that you could have a 25/25 marker match with someone > named SMITH or even JONES even if your name was PARKER. This just means you > descend from a common ancestor who lived in an era before surnames were in > general use (1100 AD). > > There are three "Y" DNA tests available for males - a 12 marker, a 25 > marker and a new 37 marker. Each one generally costs more than the other. > A 12 marker is about $100, a 25 marker about $200 and a 37 marker about > $300. If you go in an already established Name Project, the costs are > generally less than those listed on their website. The prices I quoted > above are our costs for the DANIEL family project. > > Here is my opinion on the three "Y" DNA tests > > 1. A 12 marker test -- this is used to prove who you are not related to as > opposed to who you are related to. I would not use this test. > > 2. A 25 marker test - this is the first reasonable test you should consider > because a perfect 25/25 match on this test will tell you that you have a 50% > probability of sharing a MRCA within the past 7 generations and this means > in simple terms you have a good chance of having a MRCA in the Colonial > American Timeframe. > > 3. A 37 marker test -- this drops the 50% probability down to five > generations if you both have a 37/37 match. > > BTW, I am a traditionalist. I still believe in BC and AD. <grin> I am > also going to copy this to several other lists, so I have deleted your > message to me. > > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Meloney I would appreciate anything you find on a Frank E. Winslett. I'm having a hard time with this person. He as married to Nancy Geneva Hadden in 1917 and she died June 6, 1921 3 days after giving birth to Mary Edna Winslett. Frank gave Mary Edna to my mother and grandmother to raise and no knows what happened to him after that day. I will check my records on Willoughby. I would love to find a picture of Mary Hadden that married a Willoughby. Thanks for your help, Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meloney Taylor" <smtay87@bellsouth.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > > Margie > > I did find Frank E. Winslett in the 1930 census married living in Highland > Park, Polk Co., Florida. > > Do you need this information? Also, I notice that you were looking for > Willoughby family at one time too. Do you have anything on a Asa > Willoughby? > > Meloney > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Date: 07/24/04 09:13:29 > To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > > Meloney, thank you for your reply. Frank that is living in the household of > Benjamin Odom was my uncle. He was married to my aunt Nancy G. Hadden in > September 1917 and his wife died on June 5, 1921 after giving birth to a > baby girl on June 3, 1921. When his wife died my grandmother and my mother > raised the baby girl. I would like to find out where or what happened to > Frank. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Thanks, Margie > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

John, Its real easy to conduct a "Y" DNA test. This is a test for males, only, and is especially beneficial for families trying to track their family name to see if it matches another person from the same family. In case you did not know, the male "Y" chromosome is passed from father to son, unchanged. So, a male's "Y" chromosome is the same as his paternal father, grandfather, GGF and all the way back in his paternal male line. This being the case, you can use it to find other families of your same name that are related to you. In my case, my "Y" goes all the way back to my 3rd GGF, Frederick Carl Wilhelm RICHTER (ABT 1750-AFT 1799) of Reichenbach, Liegnitz, Schlesien, Prussia To take this test go to... Go to http://www.familytreedna.com/ Search for the DNA Project for the name of a project covering the surname you want. In this case, PARKER. I already have done it for your, so here is the link. If someone does not want the name, PARKER, they can search for some other surname project from the opening page of this website: http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_det.asp?group=Parker Contact the person who is running the list (there is a form, provided) and join their group. The coordinator for the project will send you all the details. Then, you can buy the kit and they will send it to you. All you do this is a mouth swab, according to the instructions in the kit. Then, send it back to them for testing. It takes about 2-3 months to get the results back. After you get the results, your Project coordinator should group you results on another website and show you who matches whom. Regardless, FamilyTreeDNA will have a link to your test kit number and it will show you everybody who matches within 2 markers, the results of your test. Some say that if you match 23/25 makers you are family but the problem with this, they do not tell you when you shared a Most Recent Common Ancestor (MRCA) and a drift of 2 markers means that MRCA could have been about the time of Christ but I suggest looking at their statistical data only after you get your results. Take for an example our 25/25 marker matches. This tells us we have a 50% probability of having a MRCA in 7 generation but no statistician worth his salt would ever consider a 50% probability as meaningful so you really need to look at the 90% probability curves and that says we probably shared a MRCA in the past 14 generations, which for most of us is about the time of the Colonial American period - 1600. If you have any drift (23/25 or 24/25) this drift just extends the time frame for which you shared a MRCA. I do not remember the exact 90% probability curve for a 24/25 marker match but it was well over 20 generations and that puts you back into the Dark Ages before the use of surnames were even in use. BTW, surnames came into you sometime in the 12th Century for most Europeans. I assume you know that you could have a 25/25 marker match with someone named SMITH or even JONES even if your name was PARKER. This just means you descend from a common ancestor who lived in an era before surnames were in general use (1100 AD). There are three "Y" DNA tests available for males - a 12 marker, a 25 marker and a new 37 marker. Each one generally costs more than the other. A 12 marker is about $100, a 25 marker about $200 and a 37 marker about $300. If you go in an already established Name Project, the costs are generally less than those listed on their website. The prices I quoted above are our costs for the DANIEL family project. Here is my opinion on the three "Y" DNA tests 1. A 12 marker test -- this is used to prove who you are not related to as opposed to who you are related to. I would not use this test. 2. A 25 marker test - this is the first reasonable test you should consider because a perfect 25/25 match on this test will tell you that you have a 50% probability of sharing a MRCA within the past 7 generations and this means in simple terms you have a good chance of having a MRCA in the Colonial American Timeframe. 3. A 37 marker test -- this drops the 50% probability down to five generations if you both have a 37/37 match. BTW, I am a traditionalist. I still believe in BC and AD. <grin> I am also going to copy this to several other lists, so I have deleted your message to me. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA

Margie I did find Frank E. Winslett in the 1930 census married living in Highland Park, Polk Co., Florida. Do you need this information? Also, I notice that you were looking for Willoughby family at one time too. Do you have anything on a Asa Willoughby? Meloney -------Original Message------- From: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Date: 07/24/04 09:13:29 To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 Meloney, thank you for your reply. Frank that is living in the household of Benjamin Odom was my uncle. He was married to my aunt Nancy G. Hadden in September 1917 and his wife died on June 5, 1921 after giving birth to a baby girl on June 3, 1921. When his wife died my grandmother and my mother raised the baby girl. I would like to find out where or what happened to Frank. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Margie

Meloney, thank you for your reply. Frank that is living in the household of Benjamin Odom was my uncle. He was married to my aunt Nancy G. Hadden in September 1917 and his wife died on June 5, 1921 after giving birth to a baby girl on June 3, 1921. When his wife died my grandmother and my mother raised the baby girl. I would like to find out where or what happened to Frank. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meloney Taylor" <smtay87@bellsouth.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > > Margie > > What kind of help are you looking for? Census? Frank is living in the > household of Benjamin Odom on the 1920 census in Richmond, Augustus, GA > > Meloney > > -------Original Message------- > > From: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Date: 07/23/04 21:16:43 > To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 > > I need help researching this family. Frank E. was married to my aunt. Any > help would be greatly appreciated. > > > 1910 Wilkes County, Georgia ED# 156 Dist 171 Pg 2b > > Winslett Carrie A head wm 36 m2 4 GA GA GA Farmer/General Farming > Sallie D wife wf 32 m1 4 3/3 GA GA GA > Berry D son mw 14 s GA GA GA Laborer > Frank E son mw 12 s GA GA GA Laborer > Horace L son mw 10 s GA GA GA Laborer > Claudie A son mw 8 s GA GA GA > Marnie N dau fw 6 s GA GA GA > Frances E dau fw 3 s GA GA GA > Walter T son mw 1 10/12 s GA GA GA > Addie D dau fw 0/12 s GA GA GA > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, > etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. > Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from > http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/ > > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Margie What kind of help are you looking for? Census? Frank is living in the household of Benjamin Odom on the 1920 census in Richmond, Augustus, GA Meloney -------Original Message------- From: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Date: 07/23/04 21:16:43 To: GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAJEFFER] Re: Need help Carrie and Sallie Winslett 1910 I need help researching this family. Frank E. was married to my aunt. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 1910 Wilkes County, Georgia ED# 156 Dist 171 Pg 2b Winslett Carrie A head wm 36 m2 4 GA GA GA Farmer/General Farming Sallie D wife wf 32 m1 4 3/3 GA GA GA Berry D son mw 14 s GA GA GA Laborer Frank E son mw 12 s GA GA GA Laborer Horace L son mw 10 s GA GA GA Laborer Claudie A son mw 8 s GA GA GA Marnie N dau fw 6 s GA GA GA Frances E dau fw 3 s GA GA GA Walter T son mw 1 10/12 s GA GA GA Addie D dau fw 0/12 s GA GA GA ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM ============================== You can manage your RootsWeb-Review subscription from http://newsletters.rootsweb.com/

I need help researching this family. Frank E. was married to my aunt. Any help would be greatly appreciated. 1910 Wilkes County, Georgia ED# 156 Dist 171 Pg 2b Winslett Carrie A head wm 36 m2 4 GA GA GA Farmer/General Farming Sallie D wife wf 32 m1 4 3/3 GA GA GA Berry D son mw 14 s GA GA GA Laborer Frank E son mw 12 s GA GA GA Laborer Horace L son mw 10 s GA GA GA Laborer Claudie A son mw 8 s GA GA GA Marnie N dau fw 6 s GA GA GA Frances E dau fw 3 s GA GA GA Walter T son mw 1 10/12 s GA GA GA Addie D dau fw 0/12 s GA GA GA

In a message dated 7/21/2004 6:49:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, heyred@knology.net writes: I would like to know who her survivors were. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Just sent them to you.

James, thank you. Do you know if she had any children? Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "james" <jemes@atlantic.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells > Hi Margie , > > The Minnie Wells at the Mount Tabor was Minnie Kennedy Wells .born > Nov.06 1890 died Oct .29 1955 . > > The church is at 739 Highway 78 west > Harlem Ga. 308014 > ph.# 706- 556-1245 > > Best regards James Deal > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Margie King" <heyred@knology.net> > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:47 AM > Subject: [GAJEFFER] Re: Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells > > > > Please need help with Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells, wife of Thomas H. Wells. > Mrs. Wells died Oct. 15, 1955 buried at Mt. Talbert Baptist Churchyard near > Harlem, GA. Also where is Mt. Talbert Baptist Church? I know it says near > Harlem, but please give directions. > > > > Margie > > > > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, > flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for > removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the GAJEFFER mailing list, use GAJEFFER-l-request@rootsweb.com or GAJEFFER-d-request@rootsweb.com if you are on the Digest list. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

I would like to know who her survivors were. Any help would be greatly appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Oldnail@aol.com> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] Re: Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells > In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:41:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > heyred@knology.net writes: > Please need help with Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells, wife of Thomas H. Wells. > Mrs. Wells died Oct. 15, 1955 buried at Mt. Talbert Baptist Churchyard near > Harlem, GA. Also where is Mt. Talbert Baptist Church? I know it says near Harlem, > but please give directions. > > Margie > What kind of help do you need? sounds like you have her obituary. > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > If you wish to unsubscribe from the GAJEFFER mailing list, use GAJEFFER-l-request@rootsweb.com or GAJEFFER-d-request@rootsweb.com if you are on the Digest list. > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

In a message dated 7/20/2004 11:41:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, heyred@knology.net writes: Please need help with Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells, wife of Thomas H. Wells. Mrs. Wells died Oct. 15, 1955 buried at Mt. Talbert Baptist Churchyard near Harlem, GA. Also where is Mt. Talbert Baptist Church? I know it says near Harlem, but please give directions. Margie What kind of help do you need? sounds like you have her obituary.

Hi Margie , The Minnie Wells at the Mount Tabor was Minnie Kennedy Wells .born Nov.06 1890 died Oct .29 1955 . The church is at 739 Highway 78 west Harlem Ga. 308014 ph.# 706- 556-1245 Best regards James Deal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie King" <heyred@knology.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2004 3:47 AM Subject: [GAJEFFER] Re: Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells > Please need help with Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells, wife of Thomas H. Wells. Mrs. Wells died Oct. 15, 1955 buried at Mt. Talbert Baptist Churchyard near Harlem, GA. Also where is Mt. Talbert Baptist Church? I know it says near Harlem, but please give directions. > > Margie > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Please need help with Mrs. Minnie Beasley Wells, wife of Thomas H. Wells. Mrs. Wells died Oct. 15, 1955 buried at Mt. Talbert Baptist Churchyard near Harlem, GA. Also where is Mt. Talbert Baptist Church? I know it says near Harlem, but please give directions. Margie

Yes there is a book on Queensborough and you can probably get it through the Jefferson County Historical Society located in Louisville. In a message dated 7/19/2004 10:04:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, jclarke@rose.net writes: Hi, There is a book on Queensborough out but I do not know who has a copy of it. Wrightsborought, too, I think..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Hadden" <christine@contentedcows.com> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: [GAJEFFER] History of Jefferson County > Can anyone recommend any books on the history of Jefferson County and/or > the > surrounding counties? I'm particularly interested in Queensborough, but I > would like to know about life in general in this area during the 1700s and > 1800s. > > Much obliged! > > Christine Hadden

I saw books yesterday at the Augusta Genealogy Society on Broad Street on Queensborough and Wrightsborought. Please let me know what you need and when I go back I will try to look for it. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "John R. Clarke" <jclarke@rose.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [GAJEFFER] History of Jefferson County > Hi, > There is a book on Queensborough out but I do not know who has a copy of > it. Wrightsborought, too, I think..... > > John R. Clarke > Thomasville, GA > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Hadden" <christine@contentedcows.com> > To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:55 PM > Subject: [GAJEFFER] History of Jefferson County > > > > Can anyone recommend any books on the history of Jefferson County and/or > > the > > surrounding counties? I'm particularly interested in Queensborough, but I > > would like to know about life in general in this area during the 1700s and > > 1800s. > > > > Much obliged! > > > > Christine Hadden > > > > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact > > GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > > > ============================== > > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, There is a book on Queensborough out but I do not know who has a copy of it. Wrightsborought, too, I think..... John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Hadden" <christine@contentedcows.com> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:55 PM Subject: [GAJEFFER] History of Jefferson County > Can anyone recommend any books on the history of Jefferson County and/or > the > surrounding counties? I'm particularly interested in Queensborough, but I > would like to know about life in general in this area during the 1700s and > 1800s. > > Much obliged! > > Christine Hadden > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact > GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi, The Thomasville, GA Genealogical Library has a copy of it but it is worthless, IMHO. It was written ABT 1920 and is a real small book with not of lot of names in it. You could probably find just about as much about your ancestors by asking someone you casually met on the street about them. <grin> It is not like most of the city of county history books you will see from other locations that contain lots of specific detail about families and dates. At least, I thought it worthless but you may feel otherwise. John R. Clarke Thomasville, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "A-T-K's Grannie" <gnw@rose.net> To: <GAJEFFER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 6:20 PM Subject: [GAJEFFER] Re: History of Jefferson County > The Georgia State Archives has publications and do most Libraries. If the > Jefferson Co., Library is on line, you might ask them. The should be > knowledgeable in this area. > http://www.sos.state.ga.us/archives/rs/grsrs.htm > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.721 / Virus Database: 477 - Release Date: 07/16/2004 > > > ==== GAJEFFER Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, > political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal > messages, flames, etc. (in other words - spam) is NOT ALLOWED and will be > grounds for removal. Consideration for exceptions, contact > GAJEFFER-ADMIN@ROOTSWEB.COM > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >