I tried to contact a lady named Carole WALKER who just posted to the list regarding the LOGGINS family. If she happens to see this list again, please contact me regarding the LOGGINS family. The message I sent was returned, her box is full. Carol --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.166 / Virus Database: 79 - Release Date: 6/20/00