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I'm not sure that my original message posted, so excuse if this is a duplicate: Here's a great resource for historical county maps at the Carl Vinson Institute of Government, University of Georgia: http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/histcountymaps/statemap.htm A map showing the Cherokee lands in GA 1830 (after the formation of Gwinnett, DeKalb, Hall, Jackson, and Walton Counties (before Barrow) - http://www.cviog.uga.edu/Projects/gainfo/histcountymaps/cherokeenation1830map.htm Pat Sabin Gwinnett Co GAGenWeb - http://www.oldplaces.org/gwinnettga/

Becky, Gwinnett County was created by acts of the Georgia Legislature on Dec 15th and 19th 1818 and is an original county. The land for the county came from the Cherokee cession of July 8, 1817 and Creek cession of Jan 22, 1818. The county was named for Button Gwinnett who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, but who never set foot in the county or the county lands. In 1789, Gwinnett was not even a thought on anyone's mind and would have been deep into Indian wilderness in any case. Georgia has the dubious distinction of having 159 counties today and more counties per square mile than any place in the world. (Way too much government!) A process of dividing existing counties and in the earliest days accessing unclaimed territory has lead to this situation. County boundaries changed frequently in the preceding centuries. It can be quite confusing to be sure since if you follow public records, it may appear that your ancestors were moving around quite a bit. Though sometimes they actually did physically move, at other times the county boundaries changed and they just appeared to have moved. When a new county was created or a boundary changed, existing records stayed with the old county. Occasionally a county would be completely absorbed by another county. An example of this is the disappearance of Milton County (county seat Roswell, GA) and Campbell County into what is today Fulton County on Jan 1, 1932. The Milton and Campbell Co records were transferred to Atlanta, the county seat of Fulton Co. But this did not happen often--hence 159 counties. You can obtain a small paperback book, "Georgia Counties: Their Changing Boundaries," from the Georgia Department of Archives and History, which can lead you through these various boundary changes and which give dates, but unfortunately does not provide maps showing how the boundaries actually moved. This book is inexpensive (less than $10) and is invaluable in trying to decipher when boundaries actually changed. I took a quick look on the internet to see if I could find if you could order this book from the Georgia Archives, but I did not see it listed in the available publications. If you are interested you might want to call the Archives and inquire if it is available. Also have a look at <http://www.sos.state.ga.us/archives/rs/gcc.htm> Walter Freeman Becky Roberts wrote: > List Members, > I was wondering if anyone knew when Gwinnett county was created. My GGGG grandfather Amos Shaw was born 12/18/1789 in what I thought Oglethorpe County. I was told just a few days ago that Amos was actually born in Gwinnett County and that the county lines were different back then. Can anyone shed some light on this confusion? > > Thanks for any help I can get. > Becky Roberts > Pilotsmom@classicnet.net > "I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y"." - Author Unknown > > > ==== GAGWINNE Mailing List ==== > Gwinnett County Historical Society web site: www.gwinnetths.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237

List Members, I wanted to Thank everyone who responded to my question and have given me so much information to work with. Thank again to everyone. Becky Roberts Pilotsmom@classicnet.net "I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y"." - Author Unknown

Gwinnett Co. was created in 1818 from Indian Land. Oglethorpe was created in 1793 from Wilkes Co. Wilkes was formed in 1777. Your best bet is to try Wilkes Co or possibly Greene formed 1786 since that also starts with a "G".

List Members, I was wondering if anyone knew when Gwinnett county was created. My GGGG grandfather Amos Shaw was born 12/18/1789 in what I thought Oglethorpe County. I was told just a few days ago that Amos was actually born in Gwinnett County and that the county lines were different back then. Can anyone shed some light on this confusion? Thanks for any help I can get. Becky Roberts Pilotsmom@classicnet.net "I only work on Genealogy on days that end in "Y"." - Author Unknown

An Ancestor of mine, ANY Information will be most appreciated! Thanks Annette James WILLIAMS was born ca 1 April 1784 VA. He died 26 September 1853 Gwinnett Co., GA, at the age of 69 yrs., 5 mos. & 26 dys.. He is buried at the'Old' Harmony Methodist Cem., Gwinnett Co., GA. James married before 1810 to Frances ?____?, born ca 1788 SC & died aft 1850. Rev. James Williams was a Methodist Minister who came from Virginia and settled near the Warbington's. White Chapel was the name of their first church, established around 1818 or 1820. Rev. James Williams served there for a while. History states they had great revivals there. Flint Hill was the name of the church after they built the second church. It stood about 1 1/2 miles from (present) Norcross on Rockbridge Rd. in Gwinnett Co., GA.. This road section is not there now. The cemetery for the church was called Harmony Cemetery. Some called it Flint Hill. One hundred and ten people are at rest there, such as the Williams, Warbingtons, Medlocks, etc.. In 1851 the church moved to area of (present) Norcross. Rev. James Williams seemed to have died in poverty, as no record of any estate has been found. children: (1)..Edwards Williams [I think he married a Langston lady] my notes not here (2)..Sarah Williams [married Jeffersonia Warbington & settled in Butler Co., MO] (3)..Malissa Ann Williams [my great-great gm, married Ellemander "E" Warbington]] (4)..Unknown Female (5)..Unknown Female (6)..Unknown Male (7)..Nancy L. Williams (8)..Ezekial Williams (9)..Unknown Female Please Help!

My grandmother had a brother: Robert 'Bob' C. White (1885 Ga - 1945 Gwinnett Co), married #1, 1902 Gwinnett Co to Mollie Hanie (1877-1911) 2 children married #2, to Julia DOLLAR (1883 Ga- 1932 Gwinnett Co. [dau of James 'Jim' Dollar & Susan Jane Burger] 1 dau Effie Mae White (1917-1947) married #3 1932 Gwinnett Co to Nettie POSEY (Posey on marriage but Elrod on tombstone) [1892-1949] no children in this marriage All are buried 'old' Buford Cem., Buford, Gwinnett Co.,Ga. ===================================== Annette's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree Andrew's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree2

Peter McKinney married 7 Dec 1891 Forsyth Co., Ga to Louise 'Lou' White (ca 1867-aft 1910) [note Peter's mother may have been named Mary. Family states Peter & Lou went to AR., where Peter died, but Lou was back in GA by the time their first child (a dau, Jessie) was born in Sept 1892. Their daughter Jessie McKinney born 28 Sep 1892 Forsyth Co., married before 1920 perhaps in Hall Co to William Thomas COLEMAN (born 1889).. Jessie died 1968 Jasper, Iowa , is buried White Chapel, Duluth,Ga. Jessie & Wm had 2 children: 1- Earl Coleman lived Suwanee was married, he was dec'd before wife 2- Lucille Coleman married Dr. Jesse L. Walker, resided Newton, Iowa ===================================== Annette's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree Andrew's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree2

Thanks for any info,in advance! Annette I have two McKinney people who married into my White family line. This is the first one: Ella McKinney (1861 Ga - 1928 Gwinnett Co., buried 'old' Buford Cem., Buford, Gwinnett Co., Ga. married 26 Mar 1892 Forsyth Co to Robert C. White (1861 SC - 1932 Ga) They had 4 children: 1- Ruth White (1894 - 1952) never married buried 'old' Buford Cem 2- Emory "Em" Clyde White (185-1987) married Pearl Jones (1899-1975) Both buried Suwanee Methodist. 3- Annie Mae White (1897-1987) married J. Luther Johnson (1896-1980) both buried Sugar Hill Bapt 4- Effie White (1903-1978) buried Suwanee Meth. She never married ===================================== Annette's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree Andrew's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree2

SUBJECT: THESE MEN WORE GREY RESEARCH SERIES If you are researching your Confederate Ancestors in: Franklin/Habersham/Stephens/Rabun/White/Banks and Jackson Co., Ga. this webpage may be of interest to you: http://home.alltel.net/ktledford/menworegrey If you have questions e-mail me. Karen Ledford/Toccoa, GA. THESE MEN WORE GREY

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Seeking ANY Information on this Family! Thanks Annette James WILLIAMS was born ca 1 April 1784 VA. He died 26 September 1853 Gwinnett Co., GA, at the age of 69 yrs., 5 mos. & 26 dys.. He is buried at the'Old' Harmony Methodist Cem., Gwinnett Co., GA. James married before 1810 to Frances ?____?, born ca 1788 SC & died aft 1850. Rev. James Williams was a Methodist Minister who came from Virginia and settled near the Warbington's. White Chapel was the name of their first church, established around 1818 or 1820. Rev. James Williams served there for a while. History states they had great revivals there. Flint Hill was the name of the church after they built the second church. It stood about 1 1/2 miles from (present) Norcross on Rockbridge Rd. in Gwinnett Co., GA.. This road section is not there now. The cemetery for the church was called Harmon Cemetery. Some called it Flint Hill. One hundred and ten people are at rest there, such as the Williams, Warbingtons, Medlocks, etc.. In 1851 the church moved to area of (present) Norcross. Rev. James Williams seemed to have died in poverty, as no record of any estate has been found. Children: [There is much research yet to do on this family line. The following is all that I know of the 'Probable' children. I.....Edwards Williams married Rebecca Langford II....Sarah Williams married Jefferson Warbington (family went to Missouri) III...Malissa Ann Williams married Ellemander Warbington II (family stayed in Georgia) IV...Unknown Female V....Unknown Female VI...Unknown Male VII..Nancy L. Williams VIII.Ezekial Williams IX...Unknown Female ===================================== Annette's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree Andrew's Ancestry http://community.webtv.net/gagenie/tree2

For several years now I have puzzled over what MARTIN family my great-great-grandmother could belong too...?? Does anyone have an empty space in their family charts...from the area could be Gwinnett, Forsyth, Hall County Martin's or where ever I suppose. I also can not find the Benjamin MARTIN mentioned below. Hanie family time line: 1840 Gwinnett Co. Ga; B.F. Hanie mentioned in History of Forsyth Co., Ga as a young pioneer doctor; not found 1850; area of Pickens Co., Ga. circa 1858; soon after Civil War removed to Hall Co., Ga...where they stayed until their deaths. [note: I also do not know B.F. Hanie's parents.] Thanks for any Ideas!! Annette (Haney) Nichols Margaret Elizabeth MARTIN married the 24th day of March 1839 in Gwinnett County, Georgia to Benjamin Franklin HANIE 'Elizabeth' was born ca December 1822 in Georgia, according to census data. It is unknown who her parents were, but census data gives their birth place as being Georgia. In 1893, when Elizabeth applied for a widows pension, for Benjamin's service in the Florida-Indian War, their marriage was attested to as being performed at the above time and place, by Henry Srickland of Duluth, Georgia, and by a Benjamn F. MARTIN, both stating as being present at the wedding. Benjamin 'Hanie' and Elizabeth 'Martin' were married, accordig to the pension applcation, by James Baxter, J.P., who was deceased by the time of Elizabeth's application (1893), according to Mr. Baxter's son. Who the Benjamin F. MARTIN was is still unknown. Surely a relative?

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Annette, I did a google search on "freedom train" documents and came up with several hits. If you go to http://www.freedomtrain.org/ft_home.htm you'll find links for many interesting articles about the train itself, its travels, and its precious cargo. There are also other sources of information such as these, many with illustrations from 1947-49: http://www.northeast.railfan.net/1947freedom.html http://www.lincoln-highway-museum.org/FT/FT-05-126Docs-Index.html http://www.americans.net/FreedomTrain.htm Hope this helps. Lowell ----- Original Message ----- From: "gagenie -" <gagenie@webtv.net> To: <GAGWINNE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 11:06 PM Subject: [GAGWINNE] Anyone Remember "Freedom Train" > I am just over age 60 and remember as a child going with my parents to > Atlanta area to see the "Freedom Train", being young then, now all I can > remember is walking through train car and viewing what were suppose to > be "important" documents and etc. > > I thought of that trip recently, but even online I have not been able to > find information about "The Freedom Train". > > Does anyone Remember or know what that special event was??? I suppose it > had something to do with the end of WW II as this was just a few years > from that era (judging by my age frame) > > Thanks!! > still Annette in Georgia > > > > > > ==== GAGWINNE Mailing List ==== > Gwinnett County Historical Society web site: www.gwinnetths.org > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 >

I am just over age 60 and remember as a child going with my parents to Atlanta area to see the "Freedom Train", being young then, now all I can remember is walking through train car and viewing what were suppose to be "important" documents and etc. I thought of that trip recently, but even online I have not been able to find information about "The Freedom Train". Does anyone Remember or know what that special event was??? I suppose it had something to do with the end of WW II as this was just a few years from that era (judging by my age frame) Thanks!! still Annette in Georgia

Gwinnett Daily Post News [Obit] 10 July 2004 BAGWELL, PAULA Paula Cannon Bagwell, age 60 of Lawrenceville, GA died July 8, 2004. She was the daughter of the late Floyd and Jewell Gilleland Cannon of Snellville, GA. She is survived by her husband of 39 years Blue Bagwell. Other survivors include: Sons: Jeffrey Bagwell, Charleston, SC, John Bagwell, Lawrenceville; Daughter & Son-in-Law: Julie & Russell Hancock, Suwanee; Sisters & Brother-in-Law: Betty & Wiley Puckett, Loganville, Violette Burrell, Lavonia; Brother & Sister-in-Law: Charles & Susan Bagwell, Brunswick; Sister-in-Law: Mary Ballard, Joaquin, TX; Uncle: Charlie Cannon, Snellville; Grandchildren: Zachary, Creedence, Miles, Forrest & Cullen Bagwell; Many Nieces, Nephews & Cousins. Mrs. Bagwell was active in youth activities such as Cub Scouts and Brownies when her children were young, arts through the Junior Woman's Club and was a founding member of the Gwinnett Council for the Arts which presented her the 1986 :Gwinnie Award". She was a 6th generation Gwinnett Countian and actively participated in preparation of "Gwinnett County Families, 1818-1968" published by the Gwinnett Historical Society. Paula was a proud mother and doting grandmother. Funeral Services will be held Monday, July 12, at 11:00 A.M. at Wages Lawrenceville Chapel. Interment Gwinnett Memorial Park. The family will receive friends Saturday from 6:00 to 8:00 P.M. and Sunday from 2:00 to 4:00 and 6:00 to 8:00 P.M. at the funeral home. Tom M. Wages Funeral Service, Inc., Lawrenceville Chapel 770/963-2411.

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If you are doing research on your Confederate ancestors and their families this webpage may be of interest to you: http://home.alltel.net/ktledford/menworegrey The webpage gives a detailed description of each volume and contents, and also each volume has a SURNAME index for your convenience. Volume I: Franklin Co., Ga. Volume II: Habersham Co., Ga. Volume III: Stephens Co., Ga. Volume IV: Rabun Co., Ga. Volume V: White Co., Ga. Volume VI: Banks Co., Ga. Volume VII: Jackson Co., Ga. Any questions please direct them to me. Thank you, Karen T. Ledford/Toccoa, Ga. >