By the way, I meant to say that the Whatleys were a pre 1700 family, not pre 1600...though there is always the occasional Cherokee here and there in most of these families. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maryellen" <mellenpatch5@cinci.rr.com> To: <GAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Greene] WHATLEY & PICKARD Families > Okay folks...I am not a Whatley expert...they just float in and out of the family..HOWEVER...I do cluster genealogy...I follow a pack of names that intermarry and swap land and move from place to place together. I'll do my best here to throw out as many names as possible that might apply....I've got some folks flopping around VA previous to 1660...I can trace a few names to Jamestown, but the whole bunch doesn't go back that far. In 1660 folks start picking up or assigning headrights in VA.About 1620 we are in Isle of Wight...by 1660 we are in AccomackCo, Va. I think a goodly number were either Quakers or argumentative as they were always in court. Accomack VA is part of the DELMARVA Peninsula. In this time period, there was no Delaware.But many of the old records are in today's Delaware ( or in PA or NJ who also claimed this territory) Any people in VA who were not Church of England were "encouraged" to leave , and did. Many ended up in Somerset Co MD.In MD are Betts, Canno! > ns, Newtons, Riggin, Broughton,Boyce,Davis, Culum, Townsend,Evans, Barnes, Hosea,Grace, Whaley, Wheatley, Cook, Atkinson, Maddox, Melson, Wood. Not all of these people went to each spot. Some skipped a state and then caught up later. Some kept dropping out and went no further. > > Here's the itinerary. About 1760, a large group left MD/DE.I can't yet pin a name on why. I am leaning toward the Nicolite movement, but it doesn't quite fit. They went to NC. They were mostly in the Granville, Bute, Orange area ( and some surrounding areas)of NC. They were Regulators. Some time around the Battle of Alamance..they left/were thrown out/land confiscated/ whatever.They next show up in Old Ninety Six district of SC.Mostly Abbeville.( A few hit TN) Here is where they fight in the Revolution. In 1784 they pack up and head for GA where free land was offered to Vets from anywhere...come and get it. Few arrive in time for Wilkes Co, most get land in Greene, Washington, or Oglethorpe Cos in GA. In 1819 Alabama is made a state and by 1820 they're off again. The difficulty with Alabama is that very few brave souls bought land before 1838 when the Trail of Tears got the Cherokee and Creeks off their own land. This leaves you with 18 years to figure what anyone was up to.! > 1830 is the first whole census here. In 1843 some of the generation that married in AL left for the new state of LA. (Yes, it was a Territory, but not everyone wanted to live in a lawless Territory)The problem here is that you don't have a reliable census till 1850, and at first, Natchitoches was THE Parish and many records stayed there though the Parish was broken up and they are in any of three languages. I have not traced dates for the big exodus to TX as my main line did not go. However, it was the younger children and grandchildren of the first Alabama settlers that went. . > > Now, I will tell you that this travelogue is more accurate on geography than it is on dates. I know where the majority of these names went and can document it. I am mostly guesstimating the dates. I am still filling in a lot of holes. > > Let me demonstrate how Cluster genealogy works.I have an ancestor, Littleton Riggins, born in 1774, I don't know where.His six children married seven people.Everywhere I seek the Riggins name, I look for these seven names.With a few exceptions, the eight families all come together across seven states and 400 years together.I have proved 2 and possibly 3 of the in-law names to early 1600's VA, or1700's MD. When I find similar names to one of mine in a state, I look for the other seven to be with them.It helps to sort out who is who. No it's not infallible and it leaves you with crazy problems. I know that the grandfather of Littleton Riggins is one of three men. This leaves me with 14 KNOWN possible fathers. Because many men left out children who had moved or children from a first marriage out of their wills, it is quite possible that there are more men from the three "grandfathers" that I am missing. BUT, these are the three men who intermarry with, and trade with, and worsh! > ip with the CLUSTER. They are the most likely candidates.Hey, it's better than searching through the 200+ men of this name who could have fathered Littleton.! > > In my data is a Richard Whatley and a Mary Whateley who each married a Giles.A Lydia Whatley who married an Eiland and I also have Elisha who was involved in a land transaction the details of which escape me at the moment I don't know if these names hit any of you. What I am actually offering is the geography. For example, everyone hops from VA headrights to NC land deeds or tax lists ignoring the gape-time hole.Look in MD folks. If your people were not C of E worshipers, chances are they "got out of Dodge" Virginia, for the dissident, was an okay place to visit, but not a place to live in peace...Maryellen---- Original Message ----- > From: Hal McCawley > To: Maryellen ; GAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:30 PM > Subject: Re: [Greene] WHATLEY & PICKARD Families > > > Hi Meryellen, I am working on the family of Michael WHATLEY & Catherine BIRD parents to your Elisha. > Do you have sightings for any WHATLEYs livng in Orange Co, NC bef 1810 - deeds, t/l, road projects, cen...? > What do you have on Michael's dau Margaret "Peggy" who m my gf John PICKARD? > I descend from John's son James > John > who went to IN ca 1820s. > Best, Hal McCawley of Foster City, CA > > Maryellen wrote: > > I have an Elisha Whateley Jr in my data born in Bibb Co AL in 1809, married > to Epsey Hayes...Parents Elisha Whatley Sr born c. 1769 Granville Dist > Orange Co NC Died 1843 Bibb Co Al ,married Theresa Gibbs 1793 Greene Co GA. > It seems unlikely that this is yours....However,I will say that this is not > my main line( though we have married at least twice into these people) and > the info is second hand. I am finding the date of 1843 very suspicious ! > 1843 is about the time whole clumps of my families headed to LA. I think > this is when LA was becomming a state and opening for settlement in > Natchitoches Parrish, which did not have a census till 1850.I wonder if > Elisha Sr left and someone just thought he had died. And Junior gone to LA. > Send me some of what you have for other names and I'll tell you if this > might be the correct Elisha. If it is, you can stop worrying about the War > of 1812 or the Rev War and go for membership in Colonial Dames. This is a > pre 1600 family. Maryellen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <wgalkow@bellsouth.net> > To: <GAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 3:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Greene] WHATLEY & PICKARD Families > > > Do you show an Elisha Whatley from Georgia moving to Louisiana in your > records? I need to trace backwards and I am having trouble finding his > parents. I want to prove my lineage for the Daughters of 1812. > Nancy in NOLA > From: Hal McCawley <halmac@sbcglobal.net> > Date: 2004/03/25 Thu PM 02:26:44 EST > To: GAGREENE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Greene] WHATLEY & PICKARD Families > > Need birth, death, marriage dates and places for Margaret "Peggy" > WHATLEY who reportedly m John PICKARD [of Orange Co, NC] and appear in 16 > Feb 1788 will of Michael WHATLEY probated 24 July 1800 in Green Co, GA. > Any beliefs welcome! > Best, Hal McCawley in Foster City, CA > > > > > ==== GAGREENE Mailing List ==== > Need some help getting started with irc (INTERNET RELAY CHAT)? > Try: http://home.flash.net/~gen4m/ > > > ==== GAGREENE Mailing List ==== > To send a message to the list please write in PLAIN TEXT to: > GAGreene-L@RootsWeb.com Do not attach files to messages! > > > > > > ==== GAGREENE Mailing List ==== > Search the Social Security Death Index online for FREE! > http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > The most powerful SSDI search engine on the Internet! > > > > > -- > ÿWPCy > > > ==== GAGREENE Mailing List ==== > Greene County, GA Mailing list maintainer: DigMyPast@msn.com > Home of Greene Co, GA: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagreene/ > >