Jeff note about the structure of the greivance council reminded me of the Founding Fathers and the Constitutional Convention. The resulting system of governance established a system of checks and balances. In a flash of brilliance (almost impossible with a sinus headache) I deduced that our recent broohaha existed because of a lack (perceived or real) of a system of Checks and Balances. If the SC appoints everyone that oversees, administers and directs the faltering steps of GAGENWEB, there is no avenue for indepent review or a place where one may safely air differences without the fear of repercussions. A CC elected grievence council is the only way to provide a check. However there should be ONE representative from the executive on the council, the ASC. This position can be the other voice, the administrative representative on the council. The model follows that used in the United States Senate, with the Vice President acting as President Pro Tiem of the Senate and provide a tie breaking vote. As for the term of sentenace on the Council, it should be the same lenght as the SC but the vote staggered so that is falls in the middle of the SC term. This allows for some continuity as regiems excuse me leaderships change. Deborah Byrd