This is for the new CCs who may not know of the resources for obtaining records for the county/s that you host. It is wonderful when there are people who volunteer information for the webpages but there are some resources available where you can obtain records to copy to your pages. The National Archives has census and other records which you can rent or purchase. If you do not have a microfiche reader you can sometimes find a used one at an office equiptment company for under $100.00. Also you can purchase them new from several sources. If you have a reader at home you can order the microfilm from several lending libraries and transcribe from those records to you computer. Though it is equally easy to transcribe from hard copies which you can make from the microfilm which many public libraries have on hand. Or the Church of Latter Day Saints also has a program where non members can order (rent) microfilm from the main LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. W! hen the film arrives it must remain at the local Family History Center. Each Church of Latter Day Saints usually has a Family History Center in their Church building. They have film readers and copiers. When you go to an LDS./FHL Center or public library first check to see what films are already available in the library holdings. And then if the film that you need is not there you can have a volunteer help you to place an order for the films that you need. Through the LDS/FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah, you can order any film which is not copyrighted. Those films which are available are most public records from all over the world. Most Georgia Counties have allowed the LDS missionaries in to film the records though some have not. But the Library Catalog Index is online or you can go to the local LDS Church and look for your county in the Locality Card Index, Subject Index and then order the microfilmed copies of the original records. The American Genealogical Lending Library! is another place where you can order film which would be sent to your home for a small fee and then you would return it after a certain date to the libray. Or you can also purchase film from AGLL. If you don't have a reader then take the film to your local library and use their reader/copiers to make your hard copies. That can get expensive though if you are abstracting an entire census for a county. So the best is to have your own readers at home and abstract at your own pace. The GA State Dept. of History and Archives also will sell film to you. But again that can be expensive. So hope this will help some of you to find the county records that you need not only for your GAGenWeb Project Pages but for researching your own families. Gloria --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!

Gloria et al - I'm glad you brought this up, as I discovered that it is not quite possible to go in and index or transcribe at will the records that the LDS church has on microfilm at the LDS FHL as I once thought (even if they are considered "public" records). You can, but you need to get permission from the Copyright office of the Family History Department in Salt Lake, as our indexing, etc. could violate contracts they have with the original holders of the records. I'm including the information that was sent to me by the FHD below: *********** I must make you aware of some policies of the Family and Church History Department concerning appropriate uses of materials in our collection. Due to the increasing publication of these materials on the Internet, we are having to become more strict in enforcing these policies to keep the department from being in violation of our contractual agreements with the donors of the records in our collection. Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and Family History Centers are intended for non-commercial PERSONAL family history research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial personal family history research may violate contractual agreements with the records custodians and/or copyright laws. In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual obligations and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our collection are not permitted: 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire record sets, 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of "fair use.") For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or the Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects in exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting indexes. To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing, including your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be indexes along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full description lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including publication to the Internet) to: President, The Genealogical Society of Utah 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor Salt Lake City UT 84150 Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or extraction projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting such projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy has been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in the centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the donors of these materials. ********* I hope this clears up the situation! :-) Mary Kathryn Kozy Mitchell Co., GA GenWeb CC mkozy@attglobal.net At 03:21 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >This is for the new CCs who may not know of the resources for obtaining >records for the county/s that you host. It is wonderful when there are >people who volunteer information for the webpages but there are some >resources available where you can obtain records to copy to your pages. >The National Archives has census and other records which you can rent or >purchase. If you do not have a microfiche reader you can sometimes find a >used one at an office equiptment company for under $100.00. Also you can >purchase them new from several sources. If you have a reader at home you >can order the microfilm from several lending libraries and transcribe from >those records to you computer. Though it is equally easy to transcribe >from hard copies which you can make from the microfilm which many public >libraries have on hand. Or the Church of Latter Day Saints also has a >program where non members can order (rent) microfilm from the main LDS >Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. W! >hen the film arrives it must remain at the local Family History Center. >Each Church of Latter Day Saints usually has a Family History Center in >their Church building. They have film readers and copiers. When you go to >an LDS./FHL Center or public library first check to see what films are >already available in the library holdings. And then if the film that you >need is not there you can have a volunteer help you to place an order for >the films that you need. Through the LDS/FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah, you >can order any film which is not copyrighted. Those films which are >available are most public records from all over the world. Most Georgia >Counties have allowed the LDS missionaries in to film the records though >some have not. But the Library Catalog Index is online or you can go to >the local LDS Church and look for your county in the Locality Card Index, >Subject Index and then order the microfilmed copies of the original >records. The American Genealogical Lending Library! > is another place where you can order film which would be sent to your > home for a small fee and then you would return it after a certain date to > the libray. Or you can also purchase film from AGLL. If you don't have a > reader then take the film to your local library and use their > reader/copiers to make your hard copies. That can get expensive though if > you are abstracting an entire census for a county. So the best is to > have your own readers at home and abstract at your own pace. The GA > State Dept. of History and Archives also will sell film to you. But again > that can be expensive. So hope this will help some of you to find the > county records that you need not only for your GAGenWeb Project Pages but > for researching your own families. Gloria > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html

Mary Katherine, I did not think about that but your right, and it is not a good idea to post anything online from any of the LDS records without following the instructions that Mary Katherine provided us in her email. The folks at the LDS/FHL are very good people and they will do what ever they can do to help you within the copyrights. So, I do thank you for telling us about the copyrights which may pertain to any county material and may also be applicable to the federal census records too. Most likely it would be better to order the census records direct from the national archives and if need be check with the department head if there is any problem in copying from the microfilmed copies of census records for placement on the www. As for county records you will be better off trying to make a trip to the county seat of the county which you maintain and plan a week or more to abstract some of the earliest to 1900 marriages, probate, land and property indexes. With that information online it would be a big help to anyone who needs to order copies of their ancestors land and property records and such. The other wonderful thing would be if someone in that county would offer to go to the courthouse and do lookups, and or abstract records. After all these years in hosting counties I have only found a few folks who are willing to do that. As for the two counties that I host now I have pleaded with some people who live in the area (friends, relatives and acquaintances) to help out by going to the courthouse and photocopying the original index pages so they can be posted online. Many courthouses will not look up old records and those that will charge a search fee, (and I can understand why they need to do that as they are having to take an employee away from their normal job to search for records. Then will paying a professional that can get to be expensive and we are volunteers although I have spent a fortune on genealogy over a period of time. So what Mary Katherine said is correct but I was not thinking about copyrights with the county or agreements when it came to public records from photocopies of the originals but because they were photocopied by someone you need to check on who has the copyrights. And I do appreciate Mary Katherine letting us know . Gloria :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy@attglobal.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Suggestion: obtaining materials for your websites > Gloria et al - > > I'm glad you brought this up, as I discovered that it is not quite possible > to go in and index or transcribe at will the records that the LDS church > has on microfilm at the LDS FHL as I once thought (even if they are > considered "public" records). You can, but you need to get permission from > the Copyright office of the Family History Department in Salt Lake, as our > indexing, etc. could violate contracts they have with the original holders > of the records. I'm including the information that was sent to me by the > FHD below: > > *********** > I must make you aware of some policies of the Family and Church History > Department concerning appropriate uses of materials in our collection. Due > to the increasing publication of these materials on the Internet, we are > having to become more strict in enforcing these policies to keep the > department from being in violation of our contractual agreements with the > donors of the records in our collection. > > Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and Family > History Centers are intended for non-commercial PERSONAL family history > research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial > personal family history research may violate contractual agreements with > the records custodians and/or copyright laws. > > In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual obligations > and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our collection are > not permitted: > > 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire record sets, > 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of "fair > use.") > > For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or the > Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and > publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects in > exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting indexes. > To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing, including > your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be indexes > along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full description > lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including > publication to the Internet) to: > > President, The Genealogical Society of Utah > 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor > Salt Lake City UT 84150 > > Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or extraction > projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting such > projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy has > been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in the > centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the > Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the > donors of these materials. > ********* > I hope this clears up the situation! :-) > > Mary Kathryn Kozy > Mitchell Co., GA GenWeb CC > mkozy@attglobal.net > > > > At 03:21 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > >This is for the new CCs who may not know of the resources for obtaining > >records for the county/s that you host. It is wonderful when there are > >people who volunteer information for the webpages but there are some > >resources available where you can obtain records to copy to your pages. > >The National Archives has census and other records which you can rent or > >purchase. If you do not have a microfiche reader you can sometimes find a > >used one at an office equiptment company for under $100.00. Also you can > >purchase them new from several sources. If you have a reader at home you > >can order the microfilm from several lending libraries and transcribe from > >those records to you computer. Though it is equally easy to transcribe > >from hard copies which you can make from the microfilm which many public > >libraries have on hand. Or the Church of Latter Day Saints also has a > >program where non members can order (rent) microfilm from the main LDS > >Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. W! > >hen the film arrives it must remain at the local Family History Center. > >Each Church of Latter Day Saints usually has a Family History Center in > >their Church building. They have film readers and copiers. When you go to > >an LDS./FHL Center or public library first check to see what films are > >already available in the library holdings. And then if the film that you > >need is not there you can have a volunteer help you to place an order for > >the films that you need. Through the LDS/FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah, you > >can order any film which is not copyrighted. Those films which are > >available are most public records from all over the world. Most Georgia > >Counties have allowed the LDS missionaries in to film the records though > >some have not. But the Library Catalog Index is online or you can go to > >the local LDS Church and look for your county in the Locality Card Index, > >Subject Index and then order the microfilmed copies of the original > >records. The American Genealogical Lending Library! > > is another place where you can order film which would be sent to your > > home for a small fee and then you would return it after a certain date to > > the libray. Or you can also purchase film from AGLL. If you don't have a > > reader then take the film to your local library and use their > > reader/copiers to make your hard copies. That can get expensive though if > > you are abstracting an entire census for a county. So the best is to > > have your own readers at home and abstract at your own pace. The GA > > State Dept. of History and Archives also will sell film to you. But again > > that can be expensive. So hope this will help some of you to find the > > county records that you need not only for your GAGenWeb Project Pages but > > for researching your own families. Gloria > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >