And the reason for that Gloria is that because we now have these "guidelines" they are being used to target people personally and not used equally. CC's are being dismissed who barely are out of the guidelines, if at all, while other CC's blatantly ignore the guidelines and are never even questioned. It's fairness that we want. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but I want fairness for ALL. Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holback To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check our pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, we are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is Tim that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate or whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to some of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when we feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of those who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here a long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them have helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to help one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all work > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > people for the help. > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for this > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel in > different areas > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Jan Cortez > Banks County > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > rules. > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html

In re to the guidelines Debra had requested that the RC's review all the pages in GaGenWeb for compliance. Based on the complaints received, the RCs have been requested to begin that review; so with that in mind, please don't feel that you are being singled out if you receive notes from your RC in re to items in re to compliance, all the sites will be reviewed. Thanks, Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) And the reason for that Gloria is that because we now have these "guidelines" they are being used to target people personally and not used equally. CC's are being dismissed who barely are out of the guidelines, if at all, while other CC's blatantly ignore the guidelines and are never even questioned. It's fairness that we want. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but I want fairness for ALL. Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holback To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check our pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, we are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is Tim that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate or whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to some of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when we feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of those who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here a long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them have helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to help one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all work > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > people for the help. > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for this > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel in > different areas > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Jan Cortez > Banks County > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > rules. > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links to the most popular Surname sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/

Just sticking my two cents worth in here, with a thought. In TX we have what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them surf our area county pages, looking for compliance with our guidelines, as well as checking the pages for content. We do this on a monthly basis. Afterwards we send in a county in our area suggesting they win the county of the month award. It's kind of neat, and gives us a chance to view other pages and to keep our pages up and adding more content to win that award. Might not be a bad idea here. The pages would be checked monthly, to solve that compliance problem and at the same time we might win that award to put on our county page. We also have the awards page that lists who wins each month and of those, one is selected as county of the year. I haven't won yet, but I keep hoping. <grin> Jan Cortez Banks County ----- Original Message ----- From: " Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Site Compliance & Review > In re to the guidelines Debra had requested that the RC's review all the > pages in GaGenWeb for compliance. > > Based on the complaints received, the RCs have been requested to begin that > review; so with that in mind, please don't feel that you are being singled > out if you receive notes from your RC in re to items in re to compliance, > all the sites will be reviewed. > > Thanks, > Brenda > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > And the reason for that Gloria is that because we now have these > "guidelines" they are being > used to target people personally and not used equally. > CC's are being dismissed who barely are out of the guidelines, if at all, > while other CC's blatantly > ignore the guidelines and are never even questioned. > It's fairness that we want. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but I > want > fairness for ALL. > > Debra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Holback > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:50 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check > our > pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and > omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our > pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There > was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there > seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, > we > are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they > are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and > governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want > this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is > Tim > that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate > or > whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop > even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to > some > of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they > are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care > less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when > we > feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of > those > who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here > a > long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them > have > helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos > changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to > help > one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all > work > > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better > at > > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, > and > > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > > people for the help. > > > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None > of > > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention > willingly. > > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for > this > > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather > than > > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel > in > > different areas > > > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > > > Just my humble opinion. > > > > Jan Cortez > > Banks County > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > > rules. > > > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >

Tim has asked me and others at times to change or add things to our pages. He has called us down when we off topic on the list. I see that he has been fair after reading the material about Ms. Moon and some of the others. So I can not see any reason that this entire matter had to occur. All of us on the GAGenWeb Project do not agree with the petition and did not sign the petition. Nor do we have a problem with the action which Tim took in each of those instances. As for the guidelines please tell us who is ignoring the guidelines but please take it to the GALINA List if the list of names and items ignored will be long. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > And the reason for that Gloria is that because we now have these "guidelines" they are being > used to target people personally and not used equally. > CC's are being dismissed who barely are out of the guidelines, if at all, while other CC's blatantly > ignore the guidelines and are never even questioned. > It's fairness that we want. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but I want > fairness for ALL. > > Debra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Holback > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:50 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check our > pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and > omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our > pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There > was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there > seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, we > are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they > are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and > governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want > this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is Tim > that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate or > whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop > even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to some > of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they > are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care > less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when we > feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of those > who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here a > long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them have > helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos > changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to help > one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all > work > > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at > > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and > > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > > people for the help. > > > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of > > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. > > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for > this > > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than > > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel > in > > different areas > > > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > > > Just my humble opinion. > > > > Jan Cortez > > Banks County > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > > rules. > > > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ >