I for one am totally confused about which list Georgia CC's are to use for communication about Ga and problems CC's may be having??? Once again we are threatened with shut up or be moderated. So who's file is this? http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacrawfo/Census/1830census.htm Debra Crosby ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Stowell To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Unanswered Complaint / list rules At 10:54 AM 3/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >I wanted all the CC's to know what is going on. I sent this email to Tim, >Brenda, Margie, and Isaiah on Wed, 3/12/03 at 7:11 PM and have had no >response at all from any of them and the files are still being used by >Margie Daniels. You can view the files at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacrawfo/Census/censuslinkframe.htm Yep, we have lives outside GAGenWeb and USGenWeb. >I sent this request as a contributor, not a CC. Makes me wonder how many >contributors are being treated the same way, probably a lot of them. Wondering and conjecture are like heresay - they mean little in the real world. >"I wish to request that a specific CC (Margie Daniels, Crawford County) on >the GaGenWeb do not link to files which I have posted to the GaArchives. >These files were posted where I want them to be posted as part of the >USGENWEB ARCHIVES Project and I do not give this CC permission to link >directly to those files as if hers. I am requesting that she remove any of >the files that she has taken from there off of her server and off her >Crawford County pages. This is not a battle between the GaGenWeb and the >GaArchives, it is a personal choice of mine and one which I choose to >exercise as the contributor and owner of those files. I understand that the >CC can link to the archives table of contents as is her choice but I want >the files to clearly be noted as GaArchives files and therefore do not give >her permission to link directly to each file. The fact of the matter is - with the Internet persons are free to link to any site they wish to, with or without the linkee's permission or knowledge. The frames you mention do not cover the fact of where the files are located, who contributed them, nor does the Crawford County site claim ownership of them. We had another person elsewhere falsely claiming someone was stealing their files when in fact it was a pure link - something the person making the accusations was incapable of understanding no matter how many times they were told that it was just a link - and that when one clicks on a link one obviously sees the material that the link points to. I have seen frames that total encapsule the data so that there was no way to tell where the files were or who created them - but this is not the case in this particular situation. It has been my understanding that files are in the Archives not to be hoarded but to be shared - linked to. Just because you or I may not like someone - is no reason to say you can't link to my data unless one truly is a Scrooge - and then one would have to wonder why would they make data visible if they didn't want to share it in the first place. >I asked Virginia what could be done about this and she followed on my >request. This list is for the discussion of items of interest to assist fellow CCs in improving their sites or for resources to assist visitors. This list is not the complaint list nor is it the political list. You may take such to GALINA. For those who persist, you will be moderated for 1 week on the first offense, 2 weeks on the second offense. Since some folks may respond to this list prior to seeing this note - this policy will go into effect 12 hours after posting. Tim ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals with just this type of research. Please refer them to: http://www.adoption.org

This does not look like linking to me. It seems to be copied and pasted to a webpage. Am I confused? L. Barton -----Original Message----- From: Debra Crosby [mailto:poohbos@poohbos.com] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:10 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Unanswered Complaint / list rules I for one am totally confused about which list Georgia CC's are to use for communication about Ga and problems CC's may be having??? Once again we are threatened with shut up or be moderated. So who's file is this? http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacrawfo/Census/1830census.htm Debra Crosby ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Stowell To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 6:15 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Unanswered Complaint / list rules At 10:54 AM 3/15/03 -0500, you wrote: >I wanted all the CC's to know what is going on. I sent this email to Tim, >Brenda, Margie, and Isaiah on Wed, 3/12/03 at 7:11 PM and have had no >response at all from any of them and the files are still being used by >Margie Daniels. You can view the files at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacrawfo/Census/censuslinkframe.htm Yep, we have lives outside GAGenWeb and USGenWeb. >I sent this request as a contributor, not a CC. Makes me wonder how many >contributors are being treated the same way, probably a lot of them. Wondering and conjecture are like heresay - they mean little in the real world. >"I wish to request that a specific CC (Margie Daniels, Crawford County) on >the GaGenWeb do not link to files which I have posted to the GaArchives. >These files were posted where I want them to be posted as part of the >USGENWEB ARCHIVES Project and I do not give this CC permission to link >directly to those files as if hers. I am requesting that she remove any of >the files that she has taken from there off of her server and off her >Crawford County pages. This is not a battle between the GaGenWeb and the >GaArchives, it is a personal choice of mine and one which I choose to >exercise as the contributor and owner of those files. I understand that the >CC can link to the archives table of contents as is her choice but I want >the files to clearly be noted as GaArchives files and therefore do not give >her permission to link directly to each file. The fact of the matter is - with the Internet persons are free to link to any site they wish to, with or without the linkee's permission or knowledge. The frames you mention do not cover the fact of where the files are located, who contributed them, nor does the Crawford County site claim ownership of them. We had another person elsewhere falsely claiming someone was stealing their files when in fact it was a pure link - something the person making the accusations was incapable of understanding no matter how many times they were told that it was just a link - and that when one clicks on a link one obviously sees the material that the link points to. I have seen frames that total encapsule the data so that there was no way to tell where the files were or who created them - but this is not the case in this particular situation. It has been my understanding that files are in the Archives not to be hoarded but to be shared - linked to. Just because you or I may not like someone - is no reason to say you can't link to my data unless one truly is a Scrooge - and then one would have to wonder why would they make data visible if they didn't want to share it in the first place. >I asked Virginia what could be done about this and she followed on my >request. This list is for the discussion of items of interest to assist fellow CCs in improving their sites or for resources to assist visitors. This list is not the complaint list nor is it the political list. You may take such to GALINA. For those who persist, you will be moderated for 1 week on the first offense, 2 weeks on the second offense. Since some folks may respond to this list prior to seeing this note - this policy will go into effect 12 hours after posting. Tim ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals with just this type of research. Please refer them to: http://www.adoption.org ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com

It's down at the bottom of that Crawford page that was just referenced! Help! I can't figure this out! <a title="Give Tim a fair hearing, where is the evidence?" href="../tstowell@chattanooga.net">Tim Stowell</a><a href="mailto:tstowell@mccallie.org">

I keep coming back to the Georgia Military Records section on the State page ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/records/military.htm ) -- just poking around for information, etc. I am wondering about this page and some information contained therein: (BTW -- the link should say something like War Time Line, instead of 'wartimeine', perhaps) http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/records/wartimeline.htm Notwithstanding this statement -- which is condensed down to now being totally incorrect and should be revised or removed---- "1836 War of Texas Independence More than 30,000 American settlers in Texas fight Mexico for independence." (There were a lot more Irish and Mexicans and Texicans who were there fighting than Americans.) This is the one that really worries me: "1838-39 Trail of Tears More than 7,000 soldiers relocate Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek and Chickasaw Indians from their lands in North Carolina and Georgia to territory in present-day Oklahoma. More than 4,000 Indians die during the journey." .....................Here we have a page on our state site that is titled "A Chronology of Conflict" and it lists the Trail of Tears with all of these "wars"? I feel that we might be sounding just a little insensitive here! I just completed a course at Emory on the history of the Cherokee, and we learned that the last of the Cherokee to leave this area agreed to remove themselves and were led by their own leadership. The 7,000 troops under General Winfield Scott did not "relocate" them, as stated here. Additionally, I spent a week in Tahlequah, OK in February---learning a lot about the Cherokee people, their life in "Old Cherokee Nation", and their forced migration to Indian Territory in the West. While I do not subscribe to re-writing history, I do think that we might be more objective in telling the story or presenting the "facts", perhaps. I have seen the website that this information possible came from -- but just because it's posted someplace, doesn't make it right. Additionally, I am wondering about this Military History section. It doesn't all pertain to Georgia. (Perhaps we could say that a lot of it doesn't pertain to Georgia?) What is our position in GAGenWeb relative to the Georgia pages actually containing Georgia information? See also: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/records/IndianWars.htm