Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page or item in the archives, just the TOC. Kim >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > >Kim and the List, > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With >that >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the page >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious intent of >is for it to appear that the CC did >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears that >it is a part of the county pages...... >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the >work.....my >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for under >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to figure >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do some >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal files >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to add >to >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial pursuits. >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to place >all >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites do >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so I >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize both >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers >Georgia would have! > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > >Kim > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > >Spalding County CC > >Cherokee County Co-CC > >Military Page CoCC > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing >against > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and > >make > >it > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > >outright > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials > >removed > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I > >for > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the >Archives > >has > > > >a > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see > >more > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > > >addition to > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to >maintain > > > >them if > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > >marriages- > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those > >files > > > >from > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the > >files, > > > >I can > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > >contributed > > > >the > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole > >reason > > > >for > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the > >1870 > > > >census > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator > >had > >no > > > >idea > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying > >to > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will > >be > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. >When > >I > > > >retire > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the >pages > >to > > > >the > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these > >records > > > >to be > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history >and > >I > > > >desire > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > >enjoyable > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > >regional > > > >and > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. > >Most > >of > > > >them > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > >provide > > > >the > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" >and > > > >archived > > > >files. > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > >Coordinator > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web > >sites > > > >that > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit >of > > > >info > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular > >person > > > >and I > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search > >feature > > > >of > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > > >McDuffie > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I >am > >not > > > >doing > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > >cemeteries > >in > > > >less > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > >cemeteries I > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. >I > > > >could > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > >accessible to > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been >using > >the > > > >info > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to >be > >a > > > >part > > > >of it. > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > > >example, > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great > >map > >of > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > > >anymore > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > >because > >it > > > >is > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup >people > > > >which I > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > >important. > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are >being > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > >researchers > > > >so > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND > >the > > > >web > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are >supposed > >to > > > >be one > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. >The > > > >info on > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so > >that > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? 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