Vivian, You have correctly cited the section that creates the right of appeal to the Council. Many of you may remember a similar grievance having been filed last year. I can not go into details about the deliberations. What I can say is that, while we did uphold the decisions of the RC and the SC, it was very close. We almost did not. In fact, we almost issued admonitiions to people. However, in order for the grievance to go to the NC and the AB, the state remedies must be exhausted. The state remedies were not exhausted. I challenge anyone to give me any date on which a grievance against the SC was taken to the Council in the matters currently before the AB. Someone give me a concrete DATE on which these grievances were brought to the Council. Richard On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 12:12:46 -0400, Michael Saffold wrote > Richard, > > Please correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe there is a > procedure in the guidelines for arbitration when a county > coordinator has a grievance against the state coordinator (as was > the case with the petitioners) or member of the Georgia council. > > Quoting from the guidelines: > >11. Settlement of Grievances. > >In the event of a disagreement involving a GAGenWeb site, or a > >disagreement over genealogical data stored on, or proposed for... > > As I understand this provision of the guidelines, the only criteria > for a grievance is a dispute concerning site and site content. > > Again quoting from the guidelines: > >The decision of the State Coordinator may be appealed to the GAGenWeb Council. > > If the dispute involves the SC, and the council serves strictly at > the pleasure of the SC, there would be no point in an appeal. It > would seem that the only remaining course of action would be to > petition the national Advisory Board for redress of grievances. > > Respectfully, > Vivian Price Saffold > Meriwether County > > At 10:11 AM 4/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >Donna, > > > >At no time was a grievance brought to the GaGenWeb Council. Had there been a > >grievance brought before the Council (which the guidelines require), then we > >might have a different outcome today. > > > >Thanks for letting me know that I had neglected to fix a page. I can always > >depend on you for help. > > > >Richard > > > > > > > >On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 10:44:49 EDT, MFLP wrote > > > In a message dated 4/8/03 9:50:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > mannannan@maclyr.com writes: > > > > What I can say is this: Our State Coordinator, Tim Stowell, is being > > > > railroaded through this. At *no time* has the process been fair. > > > > > > Then maybe he now knows how some of the CCs and former CCs feel. > > > If the Georgia Genweb Board were actually utilized, it might have > > > been able to settle it internally. > > > > > > Richard, you might want to update the RCs names on this page. > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/coastal.html > > > You still have Keith and Carla and Laurs listed. > > > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > 3570 Hildon Circle > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm

At 01:33 PM 4/8/03 -0500, you wrote: >You have correctly cited the section that creates the right of appeal to the >Council. Many of you may remember a similar grievance having been filed last >year. I can not go into details about the deliberations. What I can say is >that, while we did uphold the decisions of the RC and the SC, it was very >close. We almost did not. In fact, we almost issued admonitiions to people. If the cc's could have known the work, tearing out of the hair, the crying, and all the other 'stuff' that the committee went thru on that particular decision, I don't think they would be so quick to judge. My archives show some 933 emails pertaining to the decision made in this case. However..... having said all that to defend that decision, I do not know all the background on the other incidents that brought all this forward. I understand the need for information to be contained within a committee, and not all released to the public. It is good to see the ones who want to volunteer to work on a guidelines committee. Since I am not a member of the council, I can not say what this group has in mind. But I hope that they take this opportunity to use the cc's to form some committee's to work on some of our problems. I feel that this would show that there is not a big underhanded effort to abuse, and misuse the cc's. > >However, in order for the grievance to go to the NC and the AB, the state >remedies must be exhausted. The state remedies were not exhausted. To Tim and the RC's: Make an effort to use some of the cc's to help improve the project. I know that each of you have a lot to do, and could use some help.