AMEN! Jan Cortez MI Archives File Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > Kim, > > You present an interesting conundrum. Honestly, as an Archives person, if I > found that someone had donated something to the Archives and had requested > that a CC not link to it, I would be tempted to pull the plug. > > My view is that we should work in concert with the Archives, not in > competition. The Archives were originally established to be a repository of > materials in conjunction with the county pages. I treat the Archives as a > secondary repository or material - call it a second place to store data in > case one copy becomes corrupted or is lost in the shuffle between CC's or > whatever, not as a place to submit things instead of the county pages. > > If someone donates materials to the Archives, they are freely donating or > loaning that material to the Project as a whole. If they do not wish it to > be used by or linked to from the county sites, then perhaps they need to keep > the material and publish it or do whatever it is they wish to do with it. > However, if it is donated to the Project, then it should and must be donated > with no strings attached or not donated at all. > > I am sure that I have run afoul of the Archives people, and I do not mean > to. However, I will stand corrected wherever I need to be. > > Richard > > > > On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:23:28 -0400, kim gordon wrote > > Hi Richard, > > > > That sounds fine too but what if the submitter has requested to the > > CC that it not be linked? > > > > Kim > > > > >From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:53:58 -0500 > > > > > >Kim, > > > > > >With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this point. > > > > > >I think that all GeorgiaGenWeb Project pages should have a link to the > > >Archives page for their county. However, I do not have a problem with > > >linking directly to a file on the Archives so long as a notation is made > > >that > > >the link is a link to Archives and giving the name of the submitter. Let > > >it > > >open in a new page as opposed to opening on your page. > > > > > >Richard > > >RC - Coastal Region of Georgia > > >CC - Gilmer County > > > McIntosh County > > >Co-CC - Cobb County > > >Assistant CC - Evans County > > >Second ASC > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:18:21 -0400, kim gordon wrote > > > > Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it > > > > should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page > > > > or item in the archives, just the TOC. > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Kim and the List, > > > > > > > > > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With > > > > >that > > > > >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... > > > > >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the > > >page > > > > >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > > > > > > > > > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious > > >intent of > > > > >is for it to appear that the CC did > > > > >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties > > > > >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's > > > > >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears > > >that > > > > >it is a part of the county pages...... > > > > >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > > > > > > > > > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the > > > > >work.....my > > > > >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for > > >under > > > > >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - > > > > >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have > > > > >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a > > > > >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to > > >figure > > > > >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do > > >some > > > > >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > > > > > > > > > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal > > >files > > > > >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to > > >add > > > > >to > > > > >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial > > >pursuits. > > > > >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my > > > > >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both > > > > >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to > > >place > > > > >all > > > > >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites > > >do > > > > >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC > so > > >I > > > > >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed > > > > >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > > > > > > > > > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs > > > > >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize > > >both > > > > >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers > > > > >Georgia would have! > > > > > > > > > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the > > > > >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > > > > > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > > > > > >Spalding County CC > > > > > >Cherokee County Co-CC > > > > > >Military Page CoCC > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > > > > >against > > > > > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information > > >and > > > > > >make > > > > > >it > > > > > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > > > > > >outright > > > > > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our > > >materials > > > > > >removed > > > > > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > > > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year > > >and I > > > > > >for > > > > > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > > > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the > > > > >Archives > > > > > >has > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to > > >see > > > > > >more > > > > > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for > that. > > >In > > > > > > > >addition to > > > > > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to > > > > >maintain > > > > > > > >them if > > > > > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > > > > > >marriages- > > > > > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to > > >those > > > > > >files > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing > > >the > > > > > >files, > > > > > > > >I can > > > > > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > > > > > >contributed > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My > > >sole > > > > > >reason > > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > > > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > > > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing > > >the > > > > > >1870 > > > > > > > >census > > > > > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the > > >enumerator > > > > > >had > > > > > >no > > > > > > > >idea > > > > > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be > > >trying > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today > > >will > > > > > >be > > > > > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. > > > > >When > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >retire > > > > > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the > > > > >pages > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of > > >these > > > > > >records > > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our > > >history > > > > >and > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >desire > > > > > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > > > > > >enjoyable > > > > > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > > > > > >regional > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the > > >links. > > > > > >Most > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >them > > > > > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > > > > > >provide > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home > > >pages" > > > > >and > > > > > > > >archived > > > > > > > >files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > > > > > >Coordinator > > > > > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about > county > > >web > > > > > >sites > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available > > >bit > > > > >of > > > > > > > >info > > > > > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a > > >particular > > > > > >person > > > > > > > >and I > > > > > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The > > >search > > > > > >feature > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff > on > > >the > > > > > > > >McDuffie > > > > > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say > that > > >I > > > > >am > > > > > >not > > > > > > > >doing > > > > > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > > > > > >cemeteries > > > > > >in > > > > > > > >less > > > > > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > > > > > >cemeteries I > > > > > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to > > >it. > > > > >I > > > > > > > >could > > > > > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > > > > > >accessible to > > > > > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been > > > > >using > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >info > > > > > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always > wanted > > >to > > > > >be > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >part > > > > > > > >of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > > > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the > archives. > > >For > > > > > > > >example, > > > > > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a > > >great > > > > > >map > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in > > >existence > > > > > > > >anymore > > > > > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > > > > > >because > > > > > >it > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup > > > > >people > > > > > > > >which I > > > > > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > > > > > >important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are > > > > >being > > > > > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > > > > > >researchers > > > > > > > >so > > > > > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page > > >AND > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >web > > > > > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are > > > > >supposed > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >be one > > > > > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial > > >issue. > > > > >The > > > > > > > >info on > > > > > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to > > >it so > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise > > >it > > > > >on > > > > > >this > > > > > > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. 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