At 03:49 AM 4/15/03 -0300, Derek Nichols wrote: > >> Each incident is weighed on its merits - do I make mistakes? You bet >> I do, yet for some reason the SC is asked to be right 100% of the >> time, forgetting that the SC is a faulty human as well. > >No, this is where you are wrong. Nobody expects you to be right 100% >of the time. We do though expect when you are wrong to say so. >That's all anybody ever wants from their Leaders in life. > >> Could some situations have been handled differently? Yes. > >It is *NEVER* to late to correct an error. Never is a long time - but some things much like Humpty Dumpty can not be put back together. One must either create an omlette or strive to do better next time. >> Would the results have been the same? Perhaps. When folks though >> take off in a huff without listening for an explanation, refuse to >> answer, keep throwing up roadblocks to communication, its rather hard >> for anyone (including the SC) to make things right to the satisfaction >> of all. > >Again, it's because we are volunteers. Often we aren't treated as >such, more as employees. We are going to get upset and react much >more because we are here for the passion of what we believe in. This >needs to be considered and ALWAYS taken into account. If this were another organization such as the Red Cross and one volunteered to work for them - even they have rules that must be followed - and folks who don't follow the rules are at some point asked to leave - even though they are volunteers. >> For those who think this is a power trip - it is not. I seek to serve >> the USGenWeb project - GAGenWeb - to its fullest potential - to have >> it be a better place than I found it in. I do not want to be SC >> forever as some have infered. I do though wish to finish the task >> I've started. > >Now, Tim... It will never hit it's fullest potential, that is the >nature of potential, it can never be fulfilled. LOL. So can you be >more specific, what tasks and what is the progress indicator? That >isn't saying, hurry up and finish and move on, that's asking what >tasks that you mention above. Depending on how the next couple of weeks go - those items will be announced or not. Tim

> At 03:49 AM 4/15/03 -0300, Derek Nichols wrote: > > > >> Each incident is weighed on its merits - do I make mistakes? You > >> bet I do, yet for some reason the SC is asked to be right 100% of > >> the time, forgetting that the SC is a faulty human as well. > > > >No, this is where you are wrong. Nobody expects you to be right 100% > > of the time. We do though expect when you are wrong to say so. > >That's all anybody ever wants from their Leaders in life. > > > >> Could some situations have been handled differently? Yes. > > > >It is *NEVER* to late to correct an error. > > Never is a long time - but some things much like Humpty Dumpty can not > be put back together. One must either create an omlette or strive to > do better next time. Correcting an error is not always reversing the error. Sometimes it's as much as an Opps, I'm really really sorry made publicly. Sometimes it'll take some more than that to 'correct' the error. But rarely they can be a complete Reversal. The longer time goes on, of course it becomes less likely of a Reversal of the decision is possible. > >> Would the results have been the same? Perhaps. When folks though > >> take off in a huff without listening for an explanation, refuse to > >> answer, keep throwing up roadblocks to communication, its rather > >> hard for anyone (including the SC) to make things right to the > >> satisfaction of all. > > > >Again, it's because we are volunteers. Often we aren't treated as > >such, more as employees. We are going to get upset and react much > >more because we are here for the passion of what we believe in. This > > needs to be considered and ALWAYS taken into account. > > If this were another organization such as the Red Cross and one > volunteered to work for them - even they have rules that must be > followed - and folks who don't follow the rules are at some point > asked to leave - even though they are volunteers. Absolutely. But other than being convicted of a crime in a court, I bet there isn't much that gets you bounced on a first or maybe even 2nd offense. Do we really want a Zero Tolerance Policy, because those can get nasty very quickly. I contend we are all human and at some point we will make a fatal mistake and deserve that 2nd chance. I'll hold my Leaders to the highest of standards and expect them to follow all the rules to the letter as they expect us to do. A slip up is forgivable. A few a bit more problematic. All I want them to do when they are 'corrected' or shown that something was done wrong, to admit such and fix things to the best they can. If they decide not to act when presented with the evidence of error, their 2nd chance in this case comes with a Recall Vote and their 3rd chance would be to run again and convince the People they have changed. Lead by example I believe it's called. To get back slightly on topic and something that I sent to someone earlier that I have never seen answered about the Abandoned Site part of the Petition. The Guidelines state in 16A and B that Logos are required and each page must mention it's part of GAGenWeb. At the end of Section 16 it says IF ANY of the above is not in compliance, 30 days notice is given. You declared the site Abandoned, YET what in reality was that it was not in compliance as clearly stated by 16A and B. Why the immediate dismissal? Why was 30 days notice not given to get the site in compliance? If we are going to have Guidelines, let's please follow them. Derek Nichols Echols County.