No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the archives and put on the CC's server. Kim >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul >Spalding County CC >Cherokee County Co-CC >Military Page CoCC > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and >make >it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, >outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials >removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I >for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see >more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those >files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole >reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the >1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator >had >no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying >to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will >be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When >I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages >to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and >I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our >regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. >Most >of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to >provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular >person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 >cemeteries >in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be >a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great >map >of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives >because >it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND >the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed >to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? 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Kim and the List, I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With that CC's name and copyright on that page also.... and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the page please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious intent of is for it to appear that the CC did the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties GenWeb information at the top with the CC's name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears that it is a part of the county pages...... Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the work.....my thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for under threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to figure out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do some actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal files from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to add to county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial pursuits. I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to place all of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites do abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so I know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed another census transcription and will do the same with it. I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize both projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers Georgia would have! Linda Blum-Barton -----Original Message----- From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the archives and put on the CC's server. Kim >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul >Spalding County CC >Cherokee County Co-CC >Military Page CoCC > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and >make >it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, >outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials >removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I >for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see >more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those >files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole >reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the >1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator >had >no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying >to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will >be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When >I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages >to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and >I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our >regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. >Most >of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to >provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular >person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 >cemeteries >in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be >a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great >map >of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives >because >it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND >the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed >to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? 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