Kim, With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this point. I think that all GeorgiaGenWeb Project pages should have a link to the Archives page for their county. However, I do not have a problem with linking directly to a file on the Archives so long as a notation is made that the link is a link to Archives and giving the name of the submitter. Let it open in a new page as opposed to opening on your page. Richard RC - Coastal Region of Georgia CC - Gilmer County McIntosh County Co-CC - Cobb County Assistant CC - Evans County Second ASC On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:18:21 -0400, kim gordon wrote > Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it > should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page > or item in the archives, just the TOC. > > Kim > > >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > > > >Kim and the List, > > > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With > >that > >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... > >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the page > >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > > > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious intent of > >is for it to appear that the CC did > >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties > >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's > >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears that > >it is a part of the county pages...... > >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > > > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the > >work.....my > >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for under > >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - > >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have > >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a > >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to figure > >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do some > >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > > > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal files > >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to add > >to > >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial pursuits. > >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my > >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both > >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to place > >all > >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites do > >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so I > >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed > >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > > > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs > >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize both > >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers > >Georgia would have! > > > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the > >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > > > > > >Kim > > > > > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > > >Spalding County CC > > >Cherokee County Co-CC > > >Military Page CoCC > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > >against > > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and > > >make > > >it > > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > > >outright > > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials > > >removed > > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I > > >for > > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the > >Archives > > >has > > > > >a > > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see > > >more > > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > > > >addition to > > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to > >maintain > > > > >them if > > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > > >marriages- > > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those > > >files > > > > >from > > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the > > >files, > > > > >I can > > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > > >contributed > > > > >the > > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole > > >reason > > > > >for > > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the > > >1870 > > > > >census > > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator > > >had > > >no > > > > >idea > > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying > > >to > > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will > > >be > > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. > >When > > >I > > > > >retire > > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the > >pages > > >to > > > > >the > > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these > > >records > > > > >to be > > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history > >and > > >I > > > > >desire > > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > > >enjoyable > > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > > >regional > > > > >and > > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. > > >Most > > >of > > > > >them > > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > > >provide > > > > >the > > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" > >and > > > > >archived > > > > >files. > > > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > > >Coordinator > > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web > > >sites > > > > >that > > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit > >of > > > > >info > > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular > > >person > > > > >and I > > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search > > >feature > > > > >of > > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > > > >McDuffie > > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I > >am > > >not > > > > >doing > > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > > >cemeteries > > >in > > > > >less > > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > > >cemeteries I > > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. > >I > > > > >could > > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > > >accessible to > > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been > >using > > >the > > > > >info > > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to > >be > > >a > > > > >part > > > > >of it. > > > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > > > >example, > > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great > > >map > > >of > > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > > > >anymore > > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > > >because > > >it > > > > >is > > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup > >people > > > > >which I > > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > > >important. > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are > >being > > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > > >researchers > > > > >so > > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND > > >the > > > > >web > > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are > >supposed > > >to > > > > >be one > > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. > >The > > > > >info on > > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so > > >that > > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? 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