When a CC links to the actual files which are in the Archives and they by pass the main Archives link for that county archives site isn't that bending the rules? wasn't there some complaints from some of the Archivist that CCs needed to link to the main page for that County Archives site? If that is the case seems that McDuffie County is not in compliance as there is no link to the Archives that I can see other than links to the pages within the archives where the records are...and you can not get to the archives from that page you must go back to the McDuffie site and leave the McDuffie site to go to the GAGenWeb to find a link for the GAGenWeb Archives...So what say you Archivist. If all of our material is in the Archives can we bypass your County pages and deep link to the records by passing the main Archives pages? Seems some of doing just that and they are the ones who seem to be happy with placing their material in your Archives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > Hi Liz, > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make it > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials removed > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > information available to researchers. > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for > one don't like it. > > Kim Gordon > Clayton & Habersham CC > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has > >a > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > >addition to > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > >them if > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > >marriages- > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > >from > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, > >I can > >proceed to develop others. > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed > >the > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > >for > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > >RESEARCHERS, not > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > >census > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no > >idea > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > >retire > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > >the > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records > >to be > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > >desire > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > >and > >state coordinator. > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of > >them > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > >the > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > >archived > >files. > > > >Liz Robertson > >Coordinator > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites > >that > >are mostly links... > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > >info > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > >and I > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature > >of > >the archives handles that. > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > >McDuffie > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not > >doing > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in > >less > >than a month. > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > >cemeteries I > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > >could > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > >accessible to > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the > >info > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > >part > >of it. > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > >Michele Lewis > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > >example, > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > >anymore > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it > >is > >not searchable. > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > >which I > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > >important. > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers > >so > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > >web > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > >be one > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > >info on > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm >
I handle it by providing a link to the Archives main page and by linking directly to the file that I am making available through my pages. I have never had any complaints from my Archives person about this. Of course, I also ask people to send things to her AND to me for contribution purposes as it creates a second copy - a back up, if you will, in the event that I ever surrender my page and my successor chooses not to use the material that is there. Richard On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:20:00 -0400, John Holback wrote > When a CC links to the actual files which are in the Archives and > they by pass the main Archives link for that county archives site > isn't that bending the rules? wasn't there some complaints from some > of the Archivist that CCs needed to link to the main page for that > County Archives site? If that is the case seems that McDuffie > County is not in compliance as there is no link to the Archives that > I can see other than links to the pages within the archives where > the records are...and you can not get to the archives from that page > you must go back to the McDuffie site and leave the McDuffie site to > go to the GAGenWeb to find a link for the GAGenWeb Archives...So > what say you Archivist. If all of our material is in the Archives > can we bypass your County pages and deep link to the records by > passing the main Archives pages? Seems some of doing just that and > they are the ones who seem to be happy with placing their material > in your Archives. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make > it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials > removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives > has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the > files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had > no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these > records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most > of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web > sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search > feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am > not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries > in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using > the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map > of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because > it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so > that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? 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