Hi Gloria, Yes, the way you state it is fine. I was talking about CC's who never contacted the contributor for permission to post the materials. Kim >From: John Holback <john2936@comcast.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad ---ssooooooo >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:26:00 -0400 > >RE: Kim's message...if a CC contacts a contributor and the contributor >gives >the CC written permission to use the material which the contributor sent to >the Archives then that is o.k. There is nothing wrong with that and the >Archivist have had no problems with contacting contributors who post on the >message boards and the mail list...they were told to subscribe to the mail >list and contact people who would submit material. Go to the archived >messages for the Archives_L and see where they are advised to use that >method to obtain records. So what then is wrong with we CCs contacting >Contributors and doing the same thing? In my case I contacted a >contributor >who had me do the proof reading on a census schedule for Irwin County and >then I sent the material back to him but had a copy of the entire census >transcription. When I obtained his written permission to use the census >schedules on the county site I placed it there...and that is not in any way >stealing material from the archives...that was something that I actually >assisted in by being the proof reader....Gloria >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and >make >it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, >outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials >removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I >for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see >more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those >files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole >reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the >1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator >had >no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying >to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will >be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When >I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages >to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and >I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our >regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. >Most >of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to >provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular >person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 >cemeteries >in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be >a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great >map >of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives >because >it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND >the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed >to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. 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