Well I always keep out of this stuff...I hate the politics of this..... But, I am offended that Debra thinks that it is unprofessional for the GAGENWEB to call its own shots. And it has NOT grown larger than "john spending ten yours transcribing". That is still what makes this work. I am sorry we don't look "professional" to you Debra. Also, comparing this organization to the Red Cross seems a little fer fetched to me. I have been associated with Haralson County for many years and Carroll County for a couple of years. I don't do the website work anymore as Liz Robertson is great at it. I still go to the courthouse several times each month and do lookups of folks in Oregon, California, etc. The folks that get this information seem to think that I am 'professional' enough. Sorry Debra, just my thoughts. Donald Allen Co-coordinator Haralson, Carroll -----Original Message----- From: Debra Crosby [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 9:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Keith, with me I think you may have hit the nail on the head. For years it's been "ok we are a national project but you states do what you want to do". I for one am ready to see this organization be more professional. Every state you go to in the project does everything diffently but all claim to be part of one project. Ok that may have worked in this online unprofessional genealogy world for the past five years but where do we want to be for the future. I want to look professional, part of one major project, not a stand alone state project competing with AGHP and every other pop up organization which cares to go online because they are ticked off with the USGenWeb and decide to start their own sites. And that is happening more than I care to think about. I want to be a one stop shop for researchers giving them everything they need for their county so that they don't have to look for other projects who are doing it better. I want us to become professional, ok we are volunteer yes, but volunteer does not mean that we have to be unprofessional and I can only refer you to the red cross organization to point out that they would never put up with volunteers who did not meet their standards. I'm tired of hearing we are volunteers so we can't expect anything, that is bull*hit, if we can't meet the standards then we have no business volunteering. Believe it or not this project has grown larger than just john donated his 10 hours of transcribing so he deserves to sit on a SC position for 10 years with no question. There are 1000's of volunteers now and each and everyone having expectations that their work/time is included in the big picture. It is up to us to grow into one major project so that every single individual is appreciated and no longer ignored. We can do that only by becoming one single unit, one goal and working towards that goal, even if it means getting rid of the volunteer who holds a position to keep their name on a board but never does a thing toward furthering research. The time is coming that we decide are we one unit/one organization? or are we 50 units with however many counties each unit may have, all individuals doing our own thing in one area, while others do it differently. How many of us have worked up our own county pages, only to go researching in another county and think "oh my god, are they really part of this project"? We are growing at an enormous rate right now, you tell me, do you want to be a member of one group or one member in a group of 50? We as a project have to get our act together, if we continue doing things different in each state, we are going to continue to lose respectability that is a guarantee. I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. Debra Crosby -----Original Message----- From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Debra, What does my argument have to do with what you just stated? States run their own elections all the time. It doesn't make them any less a part of USGenWeb. Ohio was recently denied an election by the EC as well, and they pulled an election off very quickly and with no trouble at all. My points are simple: 1. We were told there would be a one year term. 2. The EC will not favor us with an election until after that term has ended. 3. So, we need to conduct our own election. We can even use out-of-state vote counters to pull it off. Which I think is the usual method for these types of elections. --Keith Debra Crosby wrote: > I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb >and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. >That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. > >Debra > >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election > > > >Debra Crosby wrote: > > > >>We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >>failed us already. >> >> >> >Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held >is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed >the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that >starts us down another slippery slope. >If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to >be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to >it ourselves. >I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. > > > >><snip> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. 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