I can only say that for those who took my message as personally offensive I apologize, I was not trying to offend individuals. Having been through a rigged election already I personally want to see us get beyond that where it is less likely to ever happen again and I just happen to think letting the EC handle the election would better ensure that. As for individuals spending their time transcribing we should remember as CC's that though there may be 50 cc's maintaining GAGenWeb there are 1000's of people out there who are the backbone of the project, not us alone. Those people may only share one obituary but it's still their contribution and most of those people share across many states, not just GA. They do not have a say in the project at all so I do think we owe it to them to be as professional as we can, you can take offense to that if you wish but I personally don't think there is anything offensive about being or at least appearing professional as an organization. Keith I am one of those that go into #usgenweb on IRC and where or how you get the idea that the project is being run from there is beyond me. I must be blind as I don't see anything of the sort and if anyone is inclined to believe such a statement I can only suggest that you visit that channel and decide for yourself. Debra -----Original Message----- From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Debra Crosby wrote: ><snip> >I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about >guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this >but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried >about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. > > Debra, First of all, I am not trying to see that the GAGenWeb SC's rights are being upheld. I am trying to see that the GA CCs get an elected SC at all times, except in cases of resignation. If a term ends it should be filled with an elected SC WHEN that term ends. Period. Secondly, I believe in GAGenWeb first and foremost. USGenWeb is an organization bent on maintaining the status quo of cronyism (the project is actually run from an IRC channel called #usgenweb) which is kept in place by condoning and actually encouraging apathy and laziness in the project's volunteers. Until USGenWeb becomes something to which I can be proud to belong, I will maintain my pride in belonging to GAGenWeb and working to better Georgia genealogy research. >Debra Crosby > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:19 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election > >Debra, > >What does my argument have to do with what you just stated? States run >their own elections all the time. It doesn't make them any less a part >of USGenWeb. Ohio was recently denied an election by the EC as well, and >they pulled an election off very quickly and with no trouble at all. >My points are simple: 1. We were told there would be a one year term. 2. >The EC will not favor us with an election until after that term has >ended. 3. So, we need to conduct our own election. We can even use >out-of-state vote counters to pull it off. Which I think is the usual >method for these types of elections. > >--Keith > >Debra Crosby wrote: > > > >>I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb >>and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. >>That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. >> >>Debra >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election >> >> >> >>Debra Crosby wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >>>failed us already. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held >>is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed >>the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that >>starts us down another slippery slope. >>If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to >>be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to >>it ourselves. >>I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. >> >> >> >> >> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >> >> >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information.

Debra, I spent 5-6 years in that channel. I speak from experience. I have seen USGenWeb run from that channel on may many occasions. The Logo Contest was conceived, discussed, and pretty much decided in that channel late last year. --Keith Debra Crosby wrote: > I can only say that for those who took my message as personally offensive >I apologize, I was not trying to offend individuals. >Having been through a rigged election already I personally want to see us get >beyond that where it is less likely to ever happen again and I just happen to >think letting the EC handle the election would better ensure that. >As for individuals spending their time transcribing we should remember as CC's >that though there may be 50 cc's maintaining GAGenWeb there are 1000's of people >out there who are the backbone of the project, not us alone. Those people may only >share one obituary but it's still their contribution and most of those people share >across many states, not just GA. They do not have a say in the project at all so I >do think we owe it to them to be as professional as we can, you can take offense to >that if you wish but I personally don't think there is anything offensive about >being or at least appearing professional as an organization. >Keith I am one of those that go into #usgenweb on IRC and where or how you get the >idea >that the project is being run from there is beyond me. I must be blind as I don't see >anything of the sort and if anyone is inclined to believe such a statement I can only >suggest that you visit that channel and decide for yourself. > >Debra >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:51 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election > > > >Debra Crosby wrote: > > > >><snip> >>I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about >>guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this >>but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried >>about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. >> >> >> >> > >Debra, > >First of all, I am not trying to see that the GAGenWeb SC's rights are >being upheld. I am trying to see that the GA CCs get an elected SC at >all times, except in cases of resignation. If a term ends it should be >filled with an elected SC WHEN that term ends. Period. >Secondly, I believe in GAGenWeb first and foremost. USGenWeb is an >organization bent on maintaining the status quo of cronyism (the project >is actually run from an IRC channel called #usgenweb) which is kept in >place by condoning and actually encouraging apathy and laziness in the >project's volunteers. >Until USGenWeb becomes something to which I can be proud to belong, I >will maintain my pride in belonging to GAGenWeb and working to better >Georgia genealogy research. > > > >>Debra Crosby >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:19 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election >> >>Debra, >> >>What does my argument have to do with what you just stated? States run >>their own elections all the time. It doesn't make them any less a part >>of USGenWeb. Ohio was recently denied an election by the EC as well, and >>they pulled an election off very quickly and with no trouble at all. >>My points are simple: 1. We were told there would be a one year term. 2. >>The EC will not favor us with an election until after that term has >>ended. 3. So, we need to conduct our own election. We can even use >>out-of-state vote counters to pull it off. Which I think is the usual >>method for these types of elections. >> >>--Keith >> >>Debra Crosby wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb >>>and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. >>>That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. >>> >>>Debra >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >>>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election >>> >>> >>> >>>Debra Crosby wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >>>>failed us already. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held >>>is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed >>>the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that >>>starts us down another slippery slope. >>>If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to >>>be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to >>>it ourselves. >>>I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>>USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >> >> >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: >> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > >