At 02:11 PM 2/25/03 -0600, you wrote: >Betty, > >Did all these people follow these guidelines and exhaust their remedies in >Georgia? The Georgia Guidelines provide no avenue for remedy. It would appear that the petition meets the U. S. criteria, or the Advisory Board would not be considering it. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341 Note new url: http://bellsouthpwp.net/m/s/msaffold

> Please don't flame and accuse Keith - he is not on the list to defend > himself - > > Also - no one has as yet posted the petition to the list so all GA CCs > can see it - > > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ On advice of counsel I am not at liberty to discuss this matter. I have been advised by the National Coordinator to have no direct contact with those filing the complaint(s). I don't know what advice, if any, was given them. So other than the generic duties I have abided by that request. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

Yes Tim did follow the guidelines and the RC's were made aware of the problem. Why would you be worried? The business of 1 cc is not the business of another cc. It is not cloaked in silence it is a matter of privacy. I have never been in any organization that will share the reprimands of one person to the entire staff. You may see them take the walk to the office and you may see the sad face , but you will never see announcements by management what actions if any were done to correct an infraction and nor should you. We should advocate here that CC's have a right to privacy unless they want to discuss the problems then they should also understand that if they want this problem to be made public that all documents that pertain to the matter could and would be made public. Under the newly passed Bylaw this can be the results of an action that is proven false under current Bylaws. No removal procedure may be implemented against the same SC, or ASC, within six months of a failed attempt, unless evidence is presented to the Advisory Board that retaliatory actions are being taken, or attempted, against the initiators of the original action. Evidence that is proven false, may result in the removal of the CC. I will speak from experience. Tim is a fair person. He bends over backwards not to remove anyone. When Tim finally acts it has to have been an extreme situation. The complaints against Tim are usually that he takes his time and weighs all options when some want a snap to it decision. Margie Daniels ----- Original Message ----- From: "ed gordon" <edeye1@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Did they follow the guidelines > Did Tim follow the Guidelines when terminating CC's ? He now has some of us > worried that we will too be terminated with out due process if we cross him > or do any other thing not to his liking. Those who have been dismissed > without due process will not be able to speak for themselves as they are no > longer on this list. > > The following is the only thing I found that a CC could be removed for > immediately. > > > "A coordinator who sells, or solicits items not covered >within the > exceptions above will be immediately >dismissed from GAGenWeb." > > > Anything other than this a CC should have 30 days to correct it according to > the Guidelines. > > > > > > ED GORDON > CCHS > Clay County GaGenWeb > Early County AHGP > Miller County GaGenWeb > Miller County AHGP > Seminole County GaGenWeb > Ed and Kim's Connection's > > > > > > From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> > Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Did they follow the guidelines > Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:21:56 -0600 > > > Did all these people follow these guidelines and exhaust their remedies > in > > Georgia? > > We have a couple of GA CCs that are on the AB > & if it were allowed to become public, I feel sure they will > "publish" it all. > Bettie <>< > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003

Please don't flame and accuse Keith - he is not on the list to defend himself - Also - no one has as yet posted the petition to the list so all GA CCs can see it - Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

> And isn't it odd that it take 10% of the voting CCs to remove a SC, > but only one SC to remove a CC? This is SUPPOSED to say It takes 10% of the voting CCs to petition for an election to remove a SC, while it takes only one SC to remove a CC. Sorry, <g> Bettie <>< -- Keep the candle going http://207.44.161.160/goose/friendcandle.html -- All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002, http://www.symantec.com/

I received hateful email from a cc - told Tim and blocked them from sending me any additional emails. Of course, I didn't have to trace the sender as they didn't hide their addresses. Nor did I waste my time as they did not write anything that would warrant their ISP to take action against them. The letters were not threatening - just showed the true colors of very sad and tottering individuals. Such a shame. 99.99% (the writers of said emails being the exception) of the people whom I have met via genealogy are wonderful souls. Sometimes we disagree on various and sundry topics, but agree to disagree. My only experience with this dark side was a real eye opener and only affirmed my belief that the actions of those who need to attack others who simply disagree with them are unnecessary and puerile. Quite the gang mentality and one I want no part of. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

> Did all these people follow these guidelines and exhaust their remedies in > Georgia? We have a couple of GA CCs that are on the AB & if it were allowed to become public, I feel sure they will "publish" it all. Bettie <><

I have to agree with Carol on this issue. Let's do this Democratically. Babe Georgia African American http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~georgiaafam/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:42 AM Subject: [GAGEN] "removal of the GAGenWeb State Coordinator"? > Would someone please explain to me ON THIS LIST - in public so ALL of us GA > CCs can see it - what in the sam hill is going on? Are we going to have to > vote on ousting our SC without most of us having even seen the petition or > heard what Tim has to say in his own > defense? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2003-02/1046150842 > > I am in favor of regularly scheduled elections with no limits to the number > of terms a person can serve, but I am NOT in favor of just throwing out a > SC. Especially one who has always been nice to me. > > I am HEARTSICK about this - > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. >

Betty, Did all these people follow these guidelines and exhaust their remedies in Georgia? I have never known Tim to just remove anyone. Tim is a very fair person and evidence of the wrong doing has to be presented and then weighed before any action is taken. Then the person has the right to appeal the process. I submit that those that complained did not do so on the state level and was a part of the Get Tim mentality of Keith Giddeon. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bosque Lover" <nana321@txucom.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Request that Tim get a fair and unbiased hearing. > > The rights of one individual dictate the rights of a group for without due > > process of one there cannot be due process for all. > > I know! > And isn't it odd that it take 10% of the voting CCs to remove a SC, > but only one SC to remove a CC? > Bettie <>< > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003

> The rights of one individual dictate the rights of a group for without due > process of one there cannot be due process for all. I know! And isn't it odd that it take 10% of the voting CCs to remove a SC, but only one SC to remove a CC? Bettie <><

I think that it would be incumbent upon the petitioners to allow the other GA CC's to see what they have filed. I, as well have worked with Tim since 1998, in another state and while we have not always agreed, and who does, we have remained friends and been able to accept each other as such, whether we agreed or not. Jan Cortez Banks County ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> > Would someone please explain to me ON THIS LIST - in public so ALL of us GA > CCs can see it - what in the sam hill is going on? Are we going to have to > vote on ousting our SC without most of us having even seen the petition or > heard what Tim has to say in his own > defense? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2003-02/1046150842 > > I am in favor of regularly scheduled elections with no limits to the number > of terms a person can serve, but I am NOT in favor of just throwing out a > SC. Especially one who has always been nice to me. > > I am HEARTSICK about this - > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

I ask that all the members of the board be sent a copy of this since some of the email addresses are bad from the National Page. Mr. Harrison, This message came across our CC list this AM and I agree with Carol. The rights of one individual dictate the rights of a group for without due process of one there cannot be due process for all. What happened to being innocent until proven guilty and Tim having the right to offer evidence on his behalf and to council. The amount of evidence that has been sent is overwhelming and the final submission within several days of this writing. I have my doubts that there has been ample time for all of this material to be reviewed. This, I might add was a request from the AB for additional information and not a delay tactic on anyone's part. You are trampling all over every amendment right that Tim has. If you cannot be fair to Tim then you will not be fair to me and it is your duty as NC to be fair to all. If you have a personal conflict with Tim then you should recuse yourself from these proceedings and it certainly appears that way since you are denying Tim due process to a process that you set up. The complainants did not follow due process at the State Level. You allowed a gang mentality to be brought when none of complaints were connected to each other, each should have stood on it's own merit. These complaints were brought after Keith Giddeon had a call to arms to have Tim ousted from the project because of his actions as a ASC that caused his removal. In effect Keith had asked the RC council to pretend that Tim had resigned when he had not , violating the GaGenWeb guidelines to try to force a vote to oust Tim when Keith knew that the USGENWEB Bylaws would be violated. When he failed at this and was removed as ASC he started calling for the CC's to call for a vote. All of this is documented as evidence. That is when all of these complaints were brought to the AB bypassing any the GaGenWeb guidelines that say grievances be brought there first. So all of these complaints should be sent back to the state level since the USGENWEB Bylaws state they must be filed at the State level and all possible state level processing be exhausted when they in fact were never filed on the state level. I ask that you follow due process that you set up. Has something changed because 3 members have resigned. Is this action being brought by you because it could fail with a vote? I ask that you recuse yourself from these proceedings because it appears that you have a dislike for Tim and want him removed. I ask that due process be followed as was originally set up by you. I ask that all evidence be placed on a WWW site so it can be viewed by the members of the GAGENWEB since there is nothing to hide. We have the right to know since it effects our SC. You were provided all the documents with full headers and we have not even seen any evidence from the other side to support the complaints and I offer that there are none. I as a CC of Georgia want to see the evidence that the complainants have submitted as proof of their complaint before any requests for a vote moves forward and that all Tim have his opportunity to present with council his side. I would also request that you provide information showing that this has been done before and this is not being set as a precedent for the State of Georgia and not for other states. Respectfully, Margie Daniels CC Putnam, Crawford, Macon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: [GAGEN] "removal of the GAGenWeb State Coordinator"? > Would someone please explain to me ON THIS LIST - in public so ALL of us GA > CCs can see it - what in the sam hill is going on? Are we going to have to > vote on ousting our SC without most of us having even seen the petition or > heard what Tim has to say in his own > defense? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2003-02/1046150842 > > I am in favor of regularly scheduled elections with no limits to the number > of terms a person can serve, but I am NOT in favor of just throwing out a > SC. Especially one who has always been nice to me. > > I am HEARTSICK about this - > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003

At one time I used the full name and email address of the submitter. I now keep a private list and use the person's initials and last name on the pages. I place my email address on the page with a subject message that comes to me and then I know who to forward the message to. I then forward the message and cc the person that wrote me so they can be in direct contact with each other. If the email bounces I make a note of it and respond to the person and try to help if I can. If the submitter is on the mail list I ask them if they want queries to go to the list or to them. Many times they have no other information and do not want the queries since they have no additional information. In that case I send the query to the mail list and many times they get their answers there. I do that by using this coding whatever-L@rootsweb.com?subject=Friendship Cemetery Macon County, Ga. I am not quick on the trigger to place a copyright on public domain records that cannot be copyrighted. The site compilation may be the better copyright for this. I also have my doubts about HTML and Java coding being copyrighted by anyone other than those that created the program. I use scripting that is made available and I cannot in turn claim copyright. I do include the statement from the Java or coding when there is one placed. This also applies to Graphics that I use on sites that offer it for free. From a personal stand point. I transcribe a lot of information and send it to other counties in Georgia. When I do I ask that no copyright be placed on the information and that I not be listed because I do not want the email. I have no information on these surnames since they are not anything I am researching and it also complies with RW and USGENWEB material use statement. I do have a problem with my transcriptions being used and then others copyright placed on them. Absence of copyright does not equal right to use and place another's copyright on the material. Also absence of the submitter's email address and name may like me be at the request of the submitter. Have a great day. Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crilley" <varcsix@hot.rr.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:02 AM Subject: [GAGEN] directory of submitters > Just as Bettie Wood suggested on this list ---- CAT mentioned that she does > the same thing about submitters. > > To make it easier to maintain (when people change e-mails), she links the > name on the "data page" to ONE page ---- a sort of Submitters Directory. > > I think this is a good solution. > > I realize that there are many pages which are sort of a combination of lots > of folks ideas.... but I think that those people also deserve to be > named. Mary K had a page where she just "thanked ...... a list of people > who contributed information which resulted in that specific page. > > How do the rest of you handle this? > > I think this identification of work and contributions is one of the most > important things that I need to work on. And as the county pages change > hand over the years, we need to give proper credits to the previous CCs > work. And to also identify that it is my own work when this is appropriate. > > > Virginia Crilley > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003

Please only sub once to this list, unless of course you want it in list and digest mode. Each subscriber will have to manually added once verified they are GAGenWeb Project members. I'll be doing that this evening. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell (from work) tstowell@chattanooga.net

Thanks Derek, For some reason HTML didn't even register in my noggin this morning. ;-)Not enough coffee maybe. Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Nichols" <breeze@nbnet.nb.ca> When wanting to add a copyright symbol to an HTML page, it can sometimes works better if one uses the standard html code for the symbol. There are 2 choices and either work but the first is the preferred one: - &#169; - &copy Just insert that where you want the copyright symbol and it will appear as the symbol on the page. HTH Derek Nichols Echols

Since we are a part of the USGENWEB project these questions and the decision IMHO should be answered on the National Level. ARTICLE X. COPYRIGHT Section 1. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright of websites resides solely with the creator of the web page(s). Their inclusion as part of The USGenWeb Project does not give any irrevocable right, implied or otherwise, to The USGenWeb Project to permanently use the material. Section 2. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to queries and any other data submitted to any state or local websites resides with the submitter. The submission of queries and other data to The USGenWeb Project implies that The USGenWeb Project may continue to post the material until/if such time the submitter requests removal. Section 3. In The USGenWeb Project, copyright to data contributed to any special projects resides with the contributor, who agrees that The USGenWeb Project, as a not-for-profit group, has permanent use of the data. The permanent use agreement is conditional upon the non-profit nature of The USGenWeb Project and will become null and void if The USGenWeb Project should ever cease to be non-profit. Section 4. All members of The USGenWeb Project shall be responsible for adhering to The USGenWeb Project's Official Copyright Policy which may be found, along with further information about copyright, at The USGenWeb Project national website, http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html. http://www.patents.com/patents.htm#compare-design It is not inconsistent to seek both copyright and design patent protection, depending on the nature of what is being protected. Design patent protection is, of course, available only on articles of manufacture and then only on the novel and ornamental aspects thereof. Copyright protection is available on most articles of manufacture but also on many other works. The copyright term (in the US) is 50 or 75 years, while the design patent term (in the US) is 14 years. Copyright protection is available without your even having to ask for it, although of course it is prudent to place a copyright notice on the work and to register the copyright with the copyright office. Design patent protection is available only after filing a design patent application with the Patent Office, and then only if the application is allowed by the Patent Office after examination. ***************************************** http://www.fplc.edu/tfield/copyNet.htmAuthors' Rights Registration. Although web pages and email messages are protected as soon as created, copyright registration is needed before U.S. owners can bring suit. Also, prompt registration provides remedies that make lawsuits affordable. Statutory damages of $150,000 (or more, and attorney fees) for willful infringement can be obtained if published works are registered within three months, or unpublished works are registered before they are infringed. Registration costs only $30.00, and simple application forms with basic instructions are available from the Copyright Office -- TX still appears to be the best choice. Yet, it would be prohibitively expensive for prolific authors or artists to register individual items other than in the context of existing disputes. Their options much improve when multiple works can be registered as a collection. ** Web pages. The entire contents of a web site no more require multiple registrations than a book with many chapters and numerous illustrations -- or a CD with text and music, still and animated graphics, and software. Copyright Office Circular 66 contains a brief discussion. However, the following could mislead those unfamiliar with copyright: Revisions and updates Many works transmitted online are revised or updated frequently. For individual works, however, there is no blanket registration available to cover revisions published on multiple dates. A revised version for each daily revision may be registered separately.... A separate application and $30 filing fee would be required for each.... While new text isn't covered by prior registrations, it is difficult to see why a court would allow someone to get away with copying a page of mostly registered content merely because it contains a few new sentences or other changes! ** Email. If a list owner wants to register threaded list contents, that should be possible -- particularly if copyright has been assigned by members. The main thing that seems unclear is how much time could be spanned by a single registration. Given that "prompt" registration means within three months of "publication", that period makes sense. The situation for email authors is much more ambiguous. First, group registration of several periodical contributions by a single author is possible, but combining email posts would require liberal interpretation of the term "periodical." Alternatively, email authors might register their "unpublished" collections, but that presents a different problem: Are messages to "public" lists "published" for all purposes, or might they be regarded as "unpublished" for registration purposes? Perhaps because no one has tried to register, the Copyright Office has so far posted no information. Notice. For several years, copyright notice has not been required in the U.S. Until then, however, that was not true; notice may be needed to rebut lingering notions that works published without notice can be used by others without restriction. ** Web pages. Again, web pages are simpler. Although a formal notice is not required, it is best to provide a notice such as appears at the bottom of this page. ** Email. Notice on individual email messages (if blanket notice is not provided, say, in a welcome message) may also be useful. Something as straight-forward as "Please do not forward this message without permission" should be legally adequate as well as honored by most recipients. It is hard to see any advantage to traditional notices I hope this has helped, it has helped me to understand that if I have a question it is better that I ask our National Coordinator or your attorney. Margie Daniels. RC NE Region ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crilley" <varcsix@hot.rr.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:48 AM Subject: [GAGEN] copyright > I asked CAT Tindell for some more specifics regarding the actual wording of > the copyright --- and also to help me understand the complexity of "design > of page" and using graphics. Graphics and "data" seem to be two separate > items. > > She's busy with family right now --- so I'm quoting from her note until she > has the time to write herself. > > I hope others will also help to clarify as I'm trying to learn this myself: > > =====From CAT Tindall======= > > Design Copyright 2003 <Virginia Crilley, city, state> Email: <email addy> > Content Copyright 1996-2003 USGenWeb > Project <http://www.usgenweb.org>www.usgenweb.org and the individual data > submitter as noted. > > > You should also put the copyright symbol, which I can't do in this email, > right before the word "Copyright". > > *****Virginia says: I didn't know how to get the copyright symbol so I just > copied it off of CAT's page and inserted it at the bottom of the main > Marion County page. I had redesigned the front page.**** > > This way clearly shows the line drawn between the 2 copyright concepts and > that they are independent of each other. > > CC's are merely administrators of this project and volunteer to design and > keep maintained web pages about the county they volunteered to do. They do > not become the owner of the information, only the design..... > > =========CAT comments on using pages without redesigning====== > **Virginia asked: what about a page that I don't update or change?** > > Yes, you must keep Mary K's name on that military page if you keep the page > 'as is'...but do remove her referance as CC at the bottom of that page if > she's no longer the CC, instead putting her email addy. Contact info > should always be included with the copyright info at the bottom of very web > page. If you want to redo the design of this page, still including the > links that she used, then you can remove her copyright entirely. There's > no such thing as a holding a copyright on a link. > > Mary K did not use any Civil War/Military graphics on her page for you to > be concerned about..only that blue/green bar at the bottom which can stay > if you keep her name as the copyright holder. If you redo that page, > remove that graphic. > > ======CAT on using graphics========== > Credit must be given back for every graphic on a page if a designer did not > pay for that graphic. > > I don't know of a single site on the internet that allows for no credit to > be given for freeware graphics. Other than adjusting the size of graphics, > no other changes can be made to freeware graphics. > ***Virginia: I have used some "generic type" graphics --- flag bars, CSA > soldiers, etc but didn't realize that I need to state the sources here as well. > > ****Virginia: Also CAT mentioned that on some of her pages she had used > graphics "with permission" --- and that these graphics are no longer > available to the public, and that no other person would be able to use > them. CAT herself could not give permission to the next CC to use those > specific graphics, and the graphic didn't belong to her. > > > Virginia Crilley > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > http://www.adoption.org > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.456 / Virus Database: 256 - Release Date: 2/18/2003

> Are we saying that when you volunteer to become a replacement Coordinator for a > county that you must CREATE AN ENTIRELY NEW WEB? By the way, welcome! I don't think anyone is saying that. There are plenty of us that have had the good fortune to get the old web pages, but some parting CCs don't give theirs up. I never have gotten a web page passed on to me, & have had to start from scratch, but I've always had the good fortune of mail lists that have sent truck loads of information. If you got Mary Kathryn's old site, you got a gold mine, I'm sure!! > I have never felt the Haralson County web, nor the Monroe County web, was > 'owned' by me. The copyright on these pages is to prevent COMMERCIAL links to the > pages. That's another good reason for us to mark each & every one of our web site's pages as GAGenWeb > It was never my intent to infringe upon anyone's copyright and I am very > concerned that I may have done so. I dont' think so.Mary gave you the pages telling you to make any necessary changes, & sounds like you have. I'm glad to see concern over this, though, & you've brought up some things that probably every one of us has thought about, & need answers to. Bettie <><

Would someone please explain to me ON THIS LIST - in public so ALL of us GA CCs can see it - what in the sam hill is going on? Are we going to have to vote on ousting our SC without most of us having even seen the petition or heard what Tim has to say in his own defense? http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/BOARD/2003-02/1046150842 I am in favor of regularly scheduled elections with no limits to the number of terms a person can serve, but I am NOT in favor of just throwing out a SC. Especially one who has always been nice to me. I am HEARTSICK about this - Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

From: Fred & Marje Davis (CCs Help) Thanks so much MK, & for the tips Gloria. I have sent off for a death certificate and received word that 3 copies of the Augusta Chronicle regarding this incident are being mailed to me. Once I get this paperwork together, I'll have more to work with. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Fred.

> folks there that I don't know from Adam's house cat And his name was Fig, short for Fig Leaf LOL