In a message dated 3/7/03 1:47:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nana321@txucom.net writes: > I have never heard that html can cause problems with "freezes" If it is written incorrectly, it will! MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

On 7 Mar 2003 at 13:12, TooFem@aol.com wrote: > 1 - use realplayer or crescendo - and stream the music 2 - turn your speakers off > 3 - variety is goo 4 - turn your speakers off 5 - click no when asked My solution to 1,2,3,4 & 5 is - close that window and go elsewhere > I have music on many of my pages on my personal website and constantly > get emails telling me how much it is enjoyed - and asking questions as > to what CDs the songs are from, etc. But here is the big difference - a personal webpage can have naked pictures of Jay Leno's mother-in-law, but I wouldn't want to see it on a USGenWeb page (ok so I probably wouldn't want to see it on a personal page either! lol) USGenWeb does have an image problem (I spend a lot of time defending the project, so please don't think I am criticizing). The biggest complaint, after stagnant webpages with no content (and I don't hear that about Georgia! <G>) is lots of graphics and music "getting in the way" The majority of people I speak to would like the entire USGenWeb to have a consistent "look and feel" even though most realize why this is not possible. Quite apart from personal preferences, aren't there copyright problems with using music on webpages? Perhaps I should go back to lurking ;) Claire claire@genealogy-quest.com

Georgia on my mind (You gotta love that one <BG>) Bettie <>< > I really can't think of "appropriate" music for genealogy sites. Autumn > Leaves? or Heitor Villa-Lobs' "The Baby's Family, No.2" Who knows - I

If the computer is ancient and the connection speed is very low - computers can freeze up. And while not everyone has DNS or cable connection - most have 56K now - and if not - the person is accustomed to being booted off or having their computer freeze. It is not only the music scripts that may cause problems - also Java scripts and some HTML. Flash doesn't - that why it is far superior to anything else out there. There is a great engine that one can test her pages - <A HREF="http://www.netmechanic.com/">HTML code help, search engine optimization and web site maintenance tools by NetMechanic.</A> Not only will it tell you if you have HTML errors - it will also tell you what systems (if any) will have problems with your pages. This is a free service and worth the time and effort to test pages. Especially the front page of our sites. "They say" (I want to know who they are:) if the front page takes longer than 12 seconds to load - most people will move on before the page loads - by clicking back or closing the window. This will tell you how fast your pages load according to connection speeds. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

I don't like music on webpages - maybe because I have an older computer BUT quote "Beyond these few "bare essentials", your page is yours to do with as you please. "http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/countypage.html Donna Parrish, Forsyth County

1 - require visitors to download the music file along with the page - use realplayer or crescendo - and stream the music 2 - prevent visitors from turning it off at their option - turn your speakers off 3 - conflict with other music that people may be playing via broadband connections - variety is goo 4 - wake up the entire family because it is a complete surprise - turn your speakers off 5 - force visitors to download specific software to play it - click no when asked I have music on many of my pages on my personal website and constantly get emails telling me how much it is enjoyed - and asking questions as to what CDs the songs are from, etc. I am (finally) learning flash - you can put movie scripts on your page to only play music - it is estimated 97% of all Internet users have installed Flash - so the music will play automatically without any glitches and/or streaming. The format they have come up with for the files (.SwF extension) holds the music/movie/etc but condenses it to such a small file - it is truly unbelievable! What I personally hate is midis - I feel like I am in an elevator that is stuck in purgatory. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

> Always keep in mind how the internet and browsers work.... the page, and *everything* on it, is downloaded to your hard drive and then > displayed in IE or Netscape or whatever you use from your hard drive. So are you saying that it might not only be html, music, etc. but it could be the interent or our browsers that cause the freezes? Is there anyway to tell specifically what's causing a problem? Bettie <><

I don't know who "they" are either, but I am one of them that if the page is taking to long I will move on, unless I have a specific reason that I have to be at that site. In the business world that is fairly critical as you do not want to lose customers!!! I have a 56k dial up, and I don't like any bells & whistles that cause pages to slow down. "Intros" that are flash usually get the skip button clicked on. Now of course those with hi speed connections don't have as much of a problem, but there are a lot of us dial up old cronies still out there too. If you use the large download bells & whistles on your pages, then at least give us a way of skipping around it. And yes, bad code, whether html or something else can easily freeze or lock up a computer. Sometimes I use Netscape to view mail at iwon.com, and some html email's will freeze me up solid!!! I have a Dell 400 with plenty of memory. Not too old, but not new either. Always keep in mind how the internet and browsers work.... the page, and *everything* on it, is downloaded to your hard drive and then displayed in IE or Netscape or whatever you use from your hard drive. Thanks for the netmechanic!!! Thanks jimmy.... wearing a cc and visitors hat!!! TooFem@aol.com wrote: > If the computer is ancient and the connection speed is very low - computers > can freeze up. And while not everyone has DNS or cable connection - most > have 56K now - and if not - the person is accustomed to being booted off or > having their computer freeze. > > It is not only the music scripts that may cause problems - also Java scripts > and some HTML. Flash doesn't - that why it is far superior to anything else > out there. > > There is a great engine that one can test her pages - <A HREF="http://www.netmechanic.com/">HTML code help, search > engine optimization and web site maintenance tools by NetMechanic.</A> > > Not only will it tell you if you have HTML errors - it will also tell you > what systems (if any) will have problems with your pages. This is a free > service and worth the time and effort to test pages. Especially the front > page of our sites. > > "They say" (I want to know who they are:) if the front page takes longer than > 12 seconds to load - most people will move on before the page loads - by > clicking back or closing the window. This will tell you how fast your pages > load according to connection speeds. > > MK Harrison > <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> > <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> > <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> > I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, > assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth > world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>

> It is not only the music scripts that may cause problems - also Java scripts > and some HTML. Flash doesn't - that why it is far superior to anything else And they say you can't teach an old dog new tricks!!! LOL I have never heard that html can cause problems with "freezes" > There is a great engine that one can test her pages - <A HREF="http://www.netmechanic.com/"> Thank you for giving us this URL. I hope I like what I see when I test "my" pages <BG> Bettie <><

I have been visiting many GA county pages again today. Have come across something that is extremely irritating: music being automatically downloaded with a page with NO WAY TO TURN IT OFF !!! It's as bad as popup advertising, which I think we all will agree is a nightmare..right? Adding music to any web page is a creative design element which should be left up to the creator of the page...but there are ways to add music that DOES NOT: 1 - require visitors to download the music file along with the page 2 - prevent visitors from turning it off at their option 3 - conflict with other music that people may be playing via broadband connections 4 - wake up the entire family because it is a complete surprise 5 - force visitors to download specific software to play it Please, please consider other methods to include music on your web pages. Here's one way that is the best compromise I've found over the years that also keeps our pages up to snuff with all the latest music technology with little maintenance on our part: http://www.ancestraldesigns.com/designtips/pizzazz.html#music THANKS for listening, C.A.T.

> Adding music to any web page is a creative design element which should be > left up to the creator of the page...but there are ways to add music that > DOES NOT: I have heard that music will freeze or shut down a lot of computers, espceially the older ones. It never has "frozen" my computers, but I wondered if this really does happen??? Anyone know? If this does happen will being able to turn the music off help prevent this or will they still freeze anyway? Bettie <>< -- Keep the candle going http://207.44.161.160/goose/friendcandle.html -- All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002, http://www.symantec.com/

At 06:10 PM 3/4/03 -0500, you wrote: >Tim, > >I just noted the revision to the Treutlen County website that occurred >during the afternoon. >So, Bob Fender is currently managing the site as it is up for adoption. >Should >it not be shown on the TOC as up for adoption instead of under construction >so that someone might volunteer for it? It is under construction. Bob is the new CC there. >Also, it states that you are the Interim Regional Coordinator for the East >Central Region, is this correct? Yes - along with ASC Brenda Pierce. On another area - Northwest Regional RC position - inquiries regarding that position have been sent to CCs recommended by the departing RC. Tim

Tim, I am certainly sorry to hear about your hardships. Spring is coming. I hope it brings you better times. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 07:42 AM 3/5/2003 -0500, you wrote: >At 04:32 AM 3/4/03 -0500, you wrote: > >At 12:25 AM 3/4/03 EST, you wrote: > >>Congratulations to Bob Fender on being appointed East Central Georgia R. C. > >>I saw it on the Treutlen page. I guess I missed it on the list. > >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gatreutl/ > >> > >>Bob, > >>Are you related to Robert Fender that has Floyd and Whitfield? > >> > >>Donna Parrish > >>Forsyth CC > > > >Surely you don't believe everything you read? > > > >The page just having been adopted, is currently under construction. I'm > >sure Bob would appreciate 'helpful' comments on his page. > > > >Tim > >My apologies for a snarky reply in the middle of a long, long night. Sleeping >2 to 3 hours, not being able to sleep, working on the PC for 2 to 3 hours, >going >back to bed for another 2 hours, repeat - makes one easy to take things >out of context. > >I've a lot on my mind as March has already been a bear. One of my best >contributors died March 1st after a short hospital stay. A lady I'd visited >with in IRC from OKGenWeb passed on March 2 as did the mother of one of our >SCs. >Here's hoping the remainder of March is better for us all. > >FWIW, when changes are made, an announcement will be made on this list - >perhaps >not that very minute but within a day, if at all possible. > >For those of you who were gone, I'll next re-post an announcement made >during your >absense. > >Tim > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? >Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

I finally got back on line this PM. My ISP 'forgot' to renew their trust certificate and thus got disconnected from the rest of the Internet. They got that fixed sometime today (Monday). So now I've another back log of mail. In an effort to restore this list as a business list only - where announcements are made, items that effect everyone and the like, I've been asked by several CCs to acquire, start, a chat list. We already have such but it is highly under-utilized. There are folks there that I don't know from Adam's house cat and they can remain if they can stand the chat. This list will be voluntary only - it is not required. So go there and chat your faces off! For new subscribers there it will be limited to GAGenWeb Project members. If you got the following message today - then you are already on the list: There are 60 subscribers to GALINA-L and 16 subscribers to GALINA-D. If you did not - then you can sub to this list - as you wish to - for it will be the chat list - so that several of the items recently posted to this list will fit better there instead of here. To sub - the standard way you sub to any Rootsweb list: galina-l@rootsweb.com - list mode galina-d@rootsweb.com - digest mode More items as I dig through my mail backlog. Tim

At 04:32 AM 3/4/03 -0500, you wrote: >At 12:25 AM 3/4/03 EST, you wrote: >>Congratulations to Bob Fender on being appointed East Central Georgia R. C. >>I saw it on the Treutlen page. I guess I missed it on the list. >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gatreutl/ >> >>Bob, >>Are you related to Robert Fender that has Floyd and Whitfield? >> >>Donna Parrish >>Forsyth CC > >Surely you don't believe everything you read? > >The page just having been adopted, is currently under construction. I'm >sure Bob would appreciate 'helpful' comments on his page. > >Tim My apologies for a snarky reply in the middle of a long, long night. Sleeping 2 to 3 hours, not being able to sleep, working on the PC for 2 to 3 hours, going back to bed for another 2 hours, repeat - makes one easy to take things out of context. I've a lot on my mind as March has already been a bear. One of my best contributors died March 1st after a short hospital stay. A lady I'd visited with in IRC from OKGenWeb passed on March 2 as did the mother of one of our SCs. Here's hoping the remainder of March is better for us all. FWIW, when changes are made, an announcement will be made on this list - perhaps not that very minute but within a day, if at all possible. For those of you who were gone, I'll next re-post an announcement made during your absense. Tim

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SOUTHEAST-PIONEERS/2003-03/1046797090 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GAFORSYT/1999-05/0926295173 http://www.rootsweb.com/~gafchs/bibles/hudsonjohn.htm Donna Parrish

Why is this on this list? Margie ----- Original Message ----- From: <MFLP@aol.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:07 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Next time - put my name on it - please > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SOUTHEAST-PIONEERS/2003-03/1046797090 > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GAFORSYT/1999-05/0926295173 > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gafchs/bibles/hudsonjohn.htm > > Donna Parrish > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > list! > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.459 / Virus Database: 258 - Release Date: 2/25/2003

Tim, I just noted the revision to the Treutlen County website that occurred during the afternoon. So, Bob Fender is currently managing the site as it is up for adoption. Should it not be shown on the TOC as up for adoption instead of under construction so that someone might volunteer for it? Also, it states that you are the Interim Regional Coordinator for the East Central Region, is this correct? Thanks, Linda Blum-Barton All outgoing email and attachments are scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2002!

Amy Vanderbilt - the queen of etiquette says that the absolute rudest behavior is pointing out someone else's rudeness or ill manners. MK Harrison - whose Mother read her Vanderbilt's books as bedtime stories. <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

Dear List, I do not believe all of this is necessary, we have either been raised with manners or we haven't. I don't need "Miss Manners" to point out rude to me. The fact is that the Treutlin County Website says that Bob Fender is the RC for East Central Region. Donna welcomed him, stated she must have missed it on the mailing list and asked if he was the same as or kin to Robert Fender who has Floyd and Whitfield counties. If we can't believe what we read on the pages of GAGENWEB, exactly where are we to get our information from? We are, after all, charged with compiling information for researchers of genealogy,which while not an exact science should be as ACCURATE as possible or we are doing a disservice to those researchers. I don't believe this accuracy should end with the actual genealogical data and records but should carry through the whole project as that is the "introduction" to the data and records. I believe Tim could have responded to Donna's welcome message with "the facts" instead of "Surely you don't believe everything you read?". After all, we have been informed that the East Central Region no longer has a Regional Coordinator since Laura Schmidt resigned on 16 Feb 2003, but this page http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html, which is our information page for Regions in Georgia states that she is still the Regional Coordinator instead of saying there isn't one at the moment or that the position is open for volunteers. So, why was it such a big jump to believe that what was posted on the Treutlen County site was true and that she had just missed the notice to the list? Linda Barton -----Original Message----- From: B.Pierce [mailto:ltlbit@mindspring.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 12:52 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] List Decorum Judith Martin (better known as Miss Manners) in an interview with Virginia Shea back in 1995 had some very interesting comments. MAIN POINTS: 1) The etiquette rule is that you do not respond to rudeness with more rudeness; it doesn't solve the problem. So you treat him with the proper reaction to rudeness, which is not to [act as if] everything is fine. You get rather stiffly polite, and you steer somewhat clear of that person until he realizes he's done something awfully wrong. 2) There are plenty of people who say, ``We don't care about etiquette, but we can't stand the way so-and-so behaves, and we don't want him around!'' Etiquette doesn't have the great sanctions that the law has. BUT THE MAIN SANCTION WE DO HAVE is in not dealing with these people and isolating them because their behavior is unbearable. ... more Miss Manners in full .... Miss Manners has commented extensively on how to behave correctly in almost every situation in American life. So why not in cyberspace? ....... Here's what she had to say: Because E-mail can go essentially from the writer's brain to the recipient's screen, people often press the ``send'' button on messages they probably wouldn't put in the mail. So here's the situation: A colleague sends me E-mail saying that he doesn't like some work I've done, and he says some rather nasty things. Of course, my immediate response is to want to flame right back at him. Is that a good response? Miss Manners: The etiquette rule is that you do not respond to rudeness with more rudeness; it doesn't solve the problem. So you treat him with the proper reaction to rudeness, which is not to [act as if] everything is fine. You get rather stiffly polite, and you steer somewhat clear of that person until he realizes he's done something awfully wrong. Miss Manners: The response is the same as it is in society: You can deny all you want that there is etiquette, and a lot of people do in everyday life. But if you behave in a way that offends the people you're trying to deal with, they will stop dealing with you. And that can happen as easily in cyberspace as it happens every day in real life. There are plenty of people who say, ``We don't care about etiquette, but we can't stand the way so-and-so behaves, and we don't want him around!'' Etiquette doesn't have the great sanctions that the law has. But the main sanction we do have is in not dealing with these people and isolating them because their behavior is unbearable. [In cyberspace], people can easily avail themselves of the cloak of total anonymity, which of course creates a lot of etiquette problems. Because if you're rude under a code name and I can't see you, I don't know where you live, and I don't even know your real name, [then] you probably don't feel the sense of shame you would feel if you were rude to the same group of people but were in a room with them. http://www.computerworld.com/reprintthis/1995/0,4836,17542,00.html I requested a copy sent to this list. Credits: Computerworld Virginia Shea and Judith Martin (AKA Miss Manners) Other words to associate with the word Etiquette: appropriateness, ceremoniousness, civility, conventionality, correctness, courtesy, decorum, dignity, etiquette, fitness, fittingness, formality, good manners, honesty, modesty, propriety, respectability, righteousness, seemliness, virtue, custom, digest, discipline, ethics .... In real simple terms - embarrassing another cc in this project on this list is not appropriate. In lieu of Jimmy providing a verbal warning to those indulging in this activity, it would probably be more appropriate if a public apology on the list were made to Mr. Fender. Brenda Pierce <BOLD> Brenda </Bold> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this list!