I totally agree with you Donna. Why was Brenda Webb dismissed for non-compliance and the Early County CC not? http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaearly/ This site hasn't been updated since 2001! Kim Gordon >From: MFLP@aol.com >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:00:14 EST > >In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > >I have said on this list...Time and time again. >If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. >They should be applied equally or not at all. >All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same rules. > >Donna Parrish > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this >list! > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

What if you have a CC who is stealing information from another site (not a GaGenWeb site) and making it look like their own? Kim >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GAGEN] Followup >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:48:28 -0500 > >If you think that I should be removed from office - then vote your >conscience. I will never know, this side of the grave, who voted or how. >On the other side I won't care. > >If instead you believe these are the complaints of individuals, whose >situation was handled as best one could do under the circumstances - then >also vote your conscience. > >Of course you don't have to vote if you don't want to. > >For this to 'pass', 75% of you must participate and 2/3 of that 75% must >approve or 50% of the Georgia CCs in order to effect a removal. > >Of late there has been an attempt by several of these petitioners to harass >members of GAGenWeb regarding your sites. They review your pages and >nitpick them. They should refer this to the RC for said region or send a >kind note to the CC, instead of the condescending notes I've seen. > >If you get a note from one of these folks and you feel you are being >harassed, please feel free to write your RC or myself with your complaints >or tell them just how much you appreciate their harassment. > >The last I checked - GAGenWeb and assorted sites have over 60,000 links. >There is no way anyone can keep all their links current all the time. >Servers go down, pages disappear, hosts pass away. > >If you are aware of ANY files that have been swiped from your county pages >without your permission and copied to the Archives, please send that >information to me and/or your RC and it will be promptly dealt with. > >Perhaps if these folks would spend time on their own pages - their visitors >would be greatly rewarded, for currently some of these are only a >collection of links, which is out of the scope envisioned for the Project. > >After this vote is held - and the results announced - if I'm still your >choice, we'll start a review of the Guidelines. Until then everything >except departures and new CCs are on hold. > >FWIW, we currently have only 5 counties available for adoption: Evans, >Jefferson, Pulaski, Webster and Worth. > >Tim > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links >to the most popular Surname sites: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

Sorry should have also stated this. Abandoned sites do not fall under the 30 day rule. How could it if a CC quits the project and removes all the logos and places an Independent page notice on the site it is at that moment deemed as abandoned and a temp page is placed until a new CC can be found which was the case with Dawson. I also did not mention that the Early county CC well known RootsLady has a very sick family member and notified Tim of this grave matter. Our prayers continue to be with her and her sister that is gravely ill. Margie -----Original Message----- From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:39 AM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) I totally agree with you Donna. Why was Brenda Webb dismissed for non-compliance and the Early County CC not? http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaearly/ This site hasn't been updated since 2001! Kim Gordon >From: MFLP@aol.com >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:00:14 EST > >In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > >I have said on this list...Time and time again. >If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. >They should be applied equally or not at all. >All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same rules. > >Donna Parrish > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this >list! > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links to the most popular Surname sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

The front page of Early does not reflect if the inner pages have been changed and updated. The difference is that the Early page does have the USGENWEB LOGOS AND THE GAGENWEB LOGO and states it is a part of this project. The Dawson page was deemed abandoned when ALL THE LOGOS WERE STRIPPED OFF THE PAGE AND THE MESSAGE INDEPENDENT PAGE WAS PLACED ON THE SITE (Caps for emphasis). Brenda Webb did not respond when written about this issue. The page was deemed abandoned when the only url for the Dawson page that was linked from the table page showed then as it does now as being an Independent page. Also, the Guidelines plainly state that County pages cannot be Comingled with other project pages. Margie -----Original Message----- From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:39 AM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) I totally agree with you Donna. Why was Brenda Webb dismissed for non-compliance and the Early County CC not? http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaearly/ This site hasn't been updated since 2001! Kim Gordon >From: MFLP@aol.com >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:00:14 EST > >In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, >tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > >I have said on this list...Time and time again. >If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. >They should be applied equally or not at all. >All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same rules. > >Donna Parrish > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this >list! > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links to the most popular Surname sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

The proper rebuttal for this complaint would be a copy of "A copy of the emailed warning will be sent to the GAGenWeb Council to verify that warning was sent." COMPLAINT #4 In January 2003, Tim knowingly violated the GAGenWeb Guidelines by dismissing Brenda Webb as county coordinator of Dawson County, without justification under said guidelines and/or due notice. CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT #4: Sections 13, 14 and 19, of the GAGenWeb Guidelines lay out all the reasons for which a CC may be dismissed from GAGenWeb. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm ********************* Quote: #16. The last paragraph If a County Coordinator is found to be in violation of any of these requirements, they will be given warning and 30 days to correct the infraction. A copy of the emailed warning will be sent to the GAGenWeb Council to verify that warning was sent. See ATTACHMENT D =============================== Attachment D =============================== From Donna Parrish Donna Parrish turns over the Dawson County Page to Brenda Webb her coCC on January 6 2003. Brenda Webb was delinked http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawson/gagen/ A new website was placed for adoption at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawso2/ A new CC was linked prior to January 31, 2003 30 days could not have elapsed. Supporting Emails ******************** IDonna Parrish turns over Dawson County to her Co CC Brenda Webb 1/06/2003 Subj: Dawson County Date: 1/6/03 To: <A HREF="mailto:ambleside@mindspring.com">ambleside@mindspring.com</A>, <A HREF="mailto:kg@giddeon.com">kg@giddeon.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:tstowell@chattanooga.net">tstowell@chattanooga.net</A> Margie made it very clear that she is tired of me being in GaGenweb. The Dawson County page now belongs to Brenda Webb. I am sorry that I can not send her the password because after my computer problems the only place it exists is in my ftp program and in a box in storage. Password central won't send it to me because the space is issued to Keith. I will leave the 3 of you to work it out. Donna ************************* Keith makes arrangements to get her the password 1/06/2003 Subj: Dawson County, GA Date: 1/6/03 5:36:26 PM Eastern Standard Time From: kg@giddeon.com (KEITH GIDDEON) To: accounts@rootsweb.com CC: ambleside@mindspring.com, MFLP@aol.com Hi Betsy, Please transfer the Dawson County, GA webspace, currently in my name, to the name of Brenda Webb and send her a new password. Her email is: ambleside@mindspring.com http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawson/ Thanks very much, Keith ********************************* I sent an email to Brenda Webb when Tim put a Dawson page up at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawso2/ and placed Dawson for adoption. Perhaps rootsweb has the dates Cat sent an email about changing the URL to http://www.ancestraldesigns.com/dawson/ *************** my answer Subj: Re: Dawson Co. GAGenWeb - New URL Date: 1/31/03 To: <A HREF="mailto:cat@ancestraldesigns.com">cat@ancestraldesigns.com</A> In a message dated 1/31/03 10:37:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, catindell@direcway.com writes: > Hi Dawson Co. GAGenWeb Neighbors, > > I'd sure appreciate your updating your 'neighbors' links to Dawson Co., > GAGenWeb on your pages. The new URL is: CAT as you know from the GAGEN list, I am linking neighboring counties in the way that Brenda Pierce my RC has suggested. The link was updated as soon as the SC changed the state links. Donna ***********************

>CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT #3: On 04 FEB 2003, Tim Stowell violated >the rights of Bettie Wood [See Attachment B.] Sections 2 of the >GAGenWeb Guidelines http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm >reinforce Bettie Wood's rights by saying: >Members of the GAGenWeb Council will be those who hold the following >positions: State Coordinator (Chairperson, with voting privileges); >Asst. State Coordinator(s); Regional Coordinators; and GAGenWeb State >Special Projects Coordinators. >The GAGenWeb Council will be responsible for amending these guidelines; >settling issues brought before it by the SC; the approval of state >special projects; and assisting researchers and others who email the >Council directly. >As stated in Attachment B, "discussion--some of which is confidential", >and the FGS Project is not a confidential matter, so Attachment C will >be Tim's email to the Council saying there will now be a vote. >Again this violates Bettie Wood's rights. >The guidelines were passed AFTER Bettie Wood was appointed Special >Project Coordinator, so there is no reason for Council to vote or >approve this Special Project as stated in Attachment C. >Here is a compiled list of archived messages to the GAGEN lsit >concerning this matter: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/fgs.html >=============================== >Attachment B >=============================== >Return-Path: <tstowell@chattanooga.net> >Delivered-To: nana321@txucom.net >Received: (qmail 2473 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 06:44:26 >-0000 >Received: from spamshredder.highertech.net (HELO mail.highertech.net) >([66.129.1.23]) (envelope-sender ><tstowell@chattanooga.net>) by mail2.txucom.net >(qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ><nana321@txucom.net>; 9 Dec 2002 06:44:26 -0000 >Received: from tim (dyn-hts-202.chatt.net [66.129.14.202]) by >mail.highertech.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with >SMTP id gB96iNp16693 for <nana321@txucom.net>; Mon, 9 >Dec 2002 01:44:23 -0500 >Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20021209015220.007ffa10@mail.chattanooga.net> >X-Sender: foghorn@mail.chattanooga.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 01:52:20 -0500 >To: nana321@txucom.net >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> >Subject: gagenweb list >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-Spam-Status: >No, hits=0.0 required=6.0 tests= version=2.20 >X-Spam-Level: >X-Mozilla-Status: 9007 >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >X-UIDL: 1039416266.2478.mail2 >Bettie, >I'm seeking your permission to add you to the GAGENWEB mailing list. >As the head of a state Special Project that is your right to be there. >The list is small - about 12 of us. We discuss items relating to >the GAGenWeb Project, some of which is confidential and/or a planning >area to discuss how best to focus our group effort. >Tim Stowell >SC GAGenWeb > >=============================== >Attachment C >=============================== >Return-Path: <GAGENWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com> >Delivered-To: nana321@txucom.net >Received: (qmail 23200 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2003 23:53:46 >-0000 >Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.39]) (envelope-sender ><GAGENWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com>) by >mail2.txucom.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with >SMTP for <nana321@txucom.net>; 4 Feb 2003 23:53:46 >-0000 >Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com >(8.12.4/8.12.4) id h14Nr076026254; Tue, 4 >Feb 2003 16:53:00 -0700 >Resent-Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:53:00 -0700 >X-Original-Sender: tstowell@chattanooga.net Tue Feb 4 16:53:00 2003 >Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20030204190018.0099da80@mail.chattanooga.net> >X-Sender: foghorn@mail.chattanooga.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 19:00:18 -0500 >Old-To: GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=6.0 >tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,MEMBER_2,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08 >version=2.43 >X-Spam-Level: ** >Subject: [GAGENWEB] Special Project >Resent-Message-ID: <Np2iAC.A.7ZG.cJFQ-@lists2.rootsweb.com> >To: GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/2052 >X-Loop: GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: GAGENWEB-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-Mozilla-Status: 8001 >X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 >X-UIDL: 1044402826.23207.mail2 >In considering a past action of mine - with respect to Special Projects >- >since I see no mention of them other than definition and since the >Guidelines do state who shall be a member of this Council because I made the >decision unilateraly and because at least one member has requested a vote on >whether or not the Georgia Family Group sheets personal project of Bettie's >qualifies as a Georgia Special Project - >I ask the council to vote upon this item - yes - no. >If in fact you do agree it is - then the site shall stay linked to the >State site and Bettie shall have full privileges of voting here. >If not - then the site will be removed from the main state page but >could be linked from a sub page of resources and Bettie will not remain a >member here. >To allow the Council to vote freely - Bettie will be unsubbed from this >list pursuant to the results of that vote. >If you would rather not vote publically but rather privately - please >say so and use the same format as before - sending your votes to both >Richard and Virginia but if you do please let the rest know that you'd rather go >that route.

>COMPLAINT #3 On 09 DEC 2002, Permission was sought and given >to Tim Stowell to add Bettie Wood to GA Council/GAGENWEB since as >stated in Attachment B, she had a state Special Project. Then on 04 FEB >2003, Bettie was unsubscribed from Council, and has no further word on >the Council's vote to keep the FGS Project a state Special Project. >Here's the history of FGS: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GAGEN/2003-02/1045624461 >A brief description is that the FGS started in the Archives Feb 2002, >but FGS are not original documents so Tim Stowell was asked to make this >a state project, which he did about March or April 2002 before the new >guidelines went into effect. In May 2002: >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GAGEN/2002-05/1022359881 >Tim Stowell announced some new CCs, along with the fact that Bettie >Wood was now doing Barrow County, stating that she already did Walton >County, and the FGS Project. He did not mention the fact that she also >maintained some GA Archives counties, and Special Project Photo Album >since they are not specific GAGenWeb projects. Tim also did not mention >that Bettie maintained a Richmond County web site as this was not yet >part of GAGenWeb. No, the FGS was not made a special project in March or April 2002. If Ms. Wood thinks otherwise she is mistaken. On 3/23/02 I wrote to Ms. Wood: Bettie, Ah. I may have to contact him then for a graphic myself. I don't completely understand your last sentence - so I hope it's ok that I use a graphic copy to point to your project from the main Georgia page. Tim -------- Note - a link to - that's all. ------------------------------ On 6/8/02 again to Ms. Wood: Bettie, While we're waiting on the outcome of Richmond - and it should be soon, for I'm not gonna wait forever, even though it must seem so to you, I've got a couple of items I wish to run by you. First - regarding you note - Remember my idea? - would you consider taking on the Unknown Queries Project for Georgia? ------------- Unknown Queries Project - was a Special Project and we had a coordinator who wanted to give that up due to other pressing responsibilities. That was the Special Project I asked Ms. Wood to take on. ----------------- Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 16:05:11 -0500 From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> Organization: http://www.wtv-zone.com/cuzicare/U-Gotta-Friend-N-Me.swf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> CC: keith@giddeon.com Subject: Re: two items X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=10.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,AWL version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: * > First - regarding you note - Remember my idea? - would you consider > taking on the Unknown Queries Project for Georgia? I will need more time to think about this. I am looking for someone to help me. If you can find someone else that would be great, as I'm just not sure. Different ones I have talked to have not been able to work with CC Helper & suggested just putting a link to Rootsweb Message Board: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=localities.northam.usa.st ates.georgia.unknown Bettie <>< --------------- On 6/10/02: At 02:56 PM 6/9/02 -0500, Bosque Lover wrote: >Hi Tim, > >> First - regarding you note - Remember my idea? - would you consider >> taking on the Unknown Queries Project for Georgia? > >After much thought, I asked if this was considered another county, & make me have 3 counties in the GAGenWeb Project--I want to leave an opening for Richmond County, & not be disqualified for that. When I was told it was "Special >Project", I gave it more thought & prayers, & then I wrote Denise, last week to find out what is involved with doing this page. I am interested but don't know how to do the queries on CCHelper--YET! Ever since I've had Walton Co., GA >web site, I have been trying to understand this system & just can't seem to grasp it. If I could get someone to help me get started & could walk me through some of it, some one I could actually talk to by phone, I'd be glad to take this >on too. I wish I could help you but the system mystifies me as well. -------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 22:00:47 -0500 From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> Organization: http://www.wtv-zone.com/cuzicare/U-Gotta-Friend-N-Me.swf X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: tstowell@chattanooga.net Subject: RCs X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=10.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,AWL version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: * Hi Tim, I'm still looking for possible help with the Unknown Coutny Query project--CC Helper stuff. No luck so far. Do you need any RCs, or a RC helper? I'm not sure of everything that involves, but I'm sure I could learn. Has anyone heard anything about poor little Richmond County yet? Bettie Wood <>< ------------------------------------- 12/9/02: Bettie, I'm seeking your permission to add you to the GAGENWEB mailing list. As the head of a state Special Project that is your right to be there. The list is small - about 12 of us. We discuss items relating to the GAGenWeb Project, some of which is confidential and/or a planning area to discuss how best to focus our group effort. Tim Stowell SC GAGenWeb ---------------------------- And yet on 1/26/03 I still find she hadn't done diddly with the Unknown Queries Project for this is her reply to my question regarding it: Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 19:33:32 -0600 From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> Organization: EC, GA & TX CC, AR, GA, & TX Archives, USGWP SP & TX ASC X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> Subject: Re: alt. address X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=6.0 tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,NOSPAM_INC, QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_05_08, USER_AGENT_MOZILLA_XM,X_ACCEPT_LANG version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * > So now you are on both lists under both addresses - once each. Thnak you for taking care of this. > BTW, please refresh my memory. Would you be willing to take on the Unknown > County Query stuff? I'd have to give this some thought, & I'm sure it wouldn't be until at least March. I can give you what you need for someone else to have the Query Express thing I set up. Just let me know. Bettie <>< > If you do take this on, I'd fix the old pages, to reflect your name/address > as a contact person and fix any broken links. ---------------------------- Her FGS was never made a special Project. She had been asked to take over Unknown Queries in June 2002 as a Special Project. She never did anything with it. Since she was added to the list as head of that Special Project but never did anything with it - for the broken links there consisted of over half the broken links on GAGenWeb, in order for her to remain on the Georgia Council as a SP coordinator some other project she worked on would have to be elevated to Special Project status. Therefore, it was right to ask if the Council would approve of her FGS as a Special Project for it was not at that point, nor is it now - for when the NC called for a halt to actions in Georgia on 2/4/03 - we stopped the vote and most everything was frozen as was. Most folks are asked to leave the room when an item that concerns them is voted on. Since Ms. Wood is not the head/host of any Special Project of Georgia, she has no right to sit on the Council and thus her claim doesn't hold. As for the other part of her complaint regarding announcements: Tim Stowell announced some new CCs, along with the fact that Bettie Wood was now doing Barrow County, stating that she already did Walton County, and the FGS Project. Response: Brenda Pierce the RC at that time had requested that I announce Betty and had included the statements in her email, those were what was included on the list, there was nothing meant at the time by excluding the other items, it was a matter of the items were what came to the RC's mind at the time. Brenda Pierce sends this response as well to the above complaint: 1). I believed that Tim had confused the unknown queries with the Group Sheet project. I had asked him to get Betty to help with the unknown queries project. 2) The email plainly stated when Tim put Betty on the list that if RC business needed to be conducted others could be unsubbed or etc. This would show that he did not mean her to be part of the council. 3) Two RC's contacted Richard (Pettys) in re to the fact that Betty was not part of the council and that Tim was confused.

Modified to remove language offensive to people of character. >COMPLAINT #2: On January 28, 2003, Tim knowingly violated the >GAGenWeb Guidelines by dismissing Lisa Graham as county coordinator >of Upson County, without justification under said guidelines. >CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT #2: Sections 13, 14 and 19, of the >GAGenWeb Guidelines lay out all the reasons for which a CC may be >dismissed from GAGenWeb. >See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm From: LisaGraham32@aol.com To: mdaniel3@midsouth.rr.com ; Paulettemoon@msn.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Can only say this. You chicken **** **** ! Go **** ****'* **** some more! Scared to come out on the board you ***** ! You want some of me ***** !! Come on...... You can't hide under Tim's ****'* forever you chicken **** coward. Yes, you do need to send out e-mails behind everyone's back....But WE all know you ! You won't last much longer...... .......Do not e-mail me again. -------- If sexual harassment in the form of an email to a RC in regard to the RC, ASC, and SC are not grounds for removal, they fall under a honorable code of conduct. This is also illegal (i.e., against the law) in everyday life to sexually harass another person(s).

In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > so you can see where most of this is coming from: I have said on this list...Time and time again. If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. They should be applied equally or not at all. All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same rules. Donna Parrish

If you think that I should be removed from office - then vote your conscience. I will never know, this side of the grave, who voted or how. On the other side I won't care. If instead you believe these are the complaints of individuals, whose situation was handled as best one could do under the circumstances - then also vote your conscience. Of course you don't have to vote if you don't want to. For this to 'pass', 75% of you must participate and 2/3 of that 75% must approve or 50% of the Georgia CCs in order to effect a removal. Of late there has been an attempt by several of these petitioners to harass members of GAGenWeb regarding your sites. They review your pages and nitpick them. They should refer this to the RC for said region or send a kind note to the CC, instead of the condescending notes I've seen. If you get a note from one of these folks and you feel you are being harassed, please feel free to write your RC or myself with your complaints or tell them just how much you appreciate their harassment. The last I checked - GAGenWeb and assorted sites have over 60,000 links. There is no way anyone can keep all their links current all the time. Servers go down, pages disappear, hosts pass away. If you are aware of ANY files that have been swiped from your county pages without your permission and copied to the Archives, please send that information to me and/or your RC and it will be promptly dealt with. Perhaps if these folks would spend time on their own pages - their visitors would be greatly rewarded, for currently some of these are only a collection of links, which is out of the scope envisioned for the Project. After this vote is held - and the results announced - if I'm still your choice, we'll start a review of the Guidelines. Until then everything except departures and new CCs are on hold. FWIW, we currently have only 5 counties available for adoption: Evans, Jefferson, Pulaski, Webster and Worth. Tim

>COMPLAINT #4 >In January 2003, Tim knowingly violated the GAGenWeb Guidelines by >dismissing Brenda Webb as county coordinator of Dawson County, >without justification under said guidelines and/or due notice. >CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT #4: Sections 13, 14 and 19, of the >GAGenWeb Guidelines lay out all the reasons for which a CC may be >dismissed from GAGenWeb. >See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm They may lay out all the reasons in Georgia - but the National Bylaws trump the Georgia Bylaws. I was not notified of a URL change - when I went to the site it said 'an independent site for Dawson County'. It showed no USGenWeb Logo or GAGenWeb logo. It had been that way for over a week when I found it. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawson/ and it still that way to this very date. When a site doesn't show either logo, one must assume the person no longer wishes to be part of either. I wrote the CC and never had a reply from her, except to see it in the previous complaint that according to the Parliamentarian didn't happen. The odd thing about this person is that when one writes to this person, this person does not answer but Donna Parrish does. (Response-Brenda Pierce) 1) Donna nor Brenda Webb provided the url for the site. We were left to assume that the normal rootsweb site would be the url (the one that was actually linked from the State page). No one informed us of any change. 2) Different projects are not to be co-mingled therefore when the page stated it was an independent page - it appeared the county had been abandoned. 3) Where is the information from Brenda Webb in re to this, why is Donna Parish's information the only information submitted in re to this. Why does Brenda Webb's email always get answered by Donna Parrish? >********************* >Quote: #16. The last paragraph >If a County Coordinator is found to be in violation of any of these >requirements, they will be given warning and 30 days to correct the >infraction. A copy of the emailed warning will be sent to the GAGenWeb >Council to verify that warning was sent. >See ATTACHMENT D >-- >Additionally we feel that this SC has shown a failure to communicate and >respond to CC's regarding GaGenweb Counties in a timely or effective >manner. >Respectfully submitted, >=============================== >Attachment D >=============================== > From Donna Parrish >Donna Parrish turns over the Dawson County Page to Brenda Webb her coCC >on January 6 2003. >Brenda Webb was delinked http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawson/gagen/ >A new website was placed for adoption at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawso2/ >A new CC was linked prior to January 31, 2003 >30 days could not have elapsed. >Supporting Emails >******************** >IDonna Parrish turns over Dawson County to her Co CC Brenda Webb >1/06/2003 >Subj: Dawson County >Date: 1/6/03 >To: <A >HREF="mailto:ambleside@mindspring.com">ambleside@mindspring.com</A>, ><A HREF="mailto:kg@giddeon.com">kg@giddeon.com</A> >To: <A >HREF="mailto:tstowell@chattanooga.net">tstowell@chattanooga.net</A> >Margie made it very clear that she is tired of me being in GaGenweb. >The Dawson County page now belongs to Brenda Webb. >I am sorry that I can not send her the password because after my >computer problems the only place it exists is in my ftp program and in a box in >storage. >Password central won't send it to me because the space is issued to >Keith. >I will leave the 3 of you to work it out. >Donna >************************* >Keith makes arrangements to get her the password 1/06/2003 >Subj: Dawson County, GA >Date: 1/6/03 5:36:26 PM Eastern Standard Time >From: kg@giddeon.com (KEITH GIDDEON) >To: accounts@rootsweb.com >CC: ambleside@mindspring.com, MFLP@aol.com >Hi Betsy, >Please transfer the Dawson County, GA webspace, currently in my name, to >the name of Brenda Webb and send her a new password. Her email is: >ambleside@mindspring.com >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawson/ >Thanks very much, >Keith >********************************* >I sent an email to Brenda Webb when Tim put a Dawson page up at >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawso2/ >and placed Dawson for adoption. >Perhaps rootsweb has the dates >Cat sent an email about changing the URL to >http://www.ancestraldesigns.com/dawson/ >*************** >my answer >Subj: Re: Dawson Co. GAGenWeb - New URL >Date: 1/31/03 >To: <A >HREF="mailto:cat@ancestraldesigns.com">cat@ancestraldesigns.com</A> >In a message dated 1/31/03 10:37:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, >catindell@direcway.com writes: > > Hi Dawson Co. GAGenWeb Neighbors, > > > > I'd sure appreciate your updating your 'neighbors' links to Dawson >Co., GAGenWeb on your pages. The new URL is: >CAT as you know from the GAGEN list, I am linking neighboring counties >in the way that Brenda Pierce my RC has suggested. The link was updated as soon >as the SC changed the state links. >Donna >***********************

In a message dated 3/25/03 2:14:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > The following is information - if you wish to discuss the following items - > please follow the list rules. Mine also is information. I signed the petition because of the removal of Brenda Webb and Paulette Moon without due notice. My co CC for Forsyth County since 1998, Brenda Webb also signed it although she is counted as a former CC. If anyone would like to discuss it with me, please email. Donna Parrish http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/gagen/ Also see: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawson/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~gajackso/

>COMPLAINT #1: On January 28, 2003, Tim knowingly violated the >GAGenWeb Guidelines by dismissing Paulette Moon as county >coordinator of Jackson County, without justification under said >guidelines. >CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT #1: Sections 13, 14 and 19, of the >GAGenWeb Guidelines lay out all the reasons for which a CC may be >dismissed from GAGenWeb. >See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm >In Tim's dismissal letter to Paulette, he does not prove, nor does he >allege, any of these reasons for dismissal in his termination of >Paulette. >[See Attachment A.] One can not dismiss someone who has already resigned. This has already been answered by volumes of email previously sent. Ms. Moon resigned on 12/27 as CC for Jackson County. Nevertheless, Brenda Pierce, Margie Daniels and myself tried working with her for 3 weeks to see if we couldn't work something out. Every other email she changed her mind, said she would not work with anyone else even though she didn't know how to create web pages or FTP. We offered to help her, teach her, get someone to work with her. None of that was good enough for her. She said she'd found someone to help her. We then asked that person if they could in fact create web pages and FTP and she didn't bother to respond, saying only to Ms. Moon she didn't have time to be bothered. Since we could make no breakthrough with this person after 3 weeks and after a third or fourth party intervened with rude remarks to the RC, it was time to move on. Perhaps my note giving up on Ms. Moon was not worded in the best possible manner but the fact of the matter that she was not willing to cooperate in any matter, was grounds enough to move on. Ms. Moon further indicated she never wished to hear from me again under any circumstances. I've honored her request. >=============================== >Attachment A >=============================== >Return-Path: <tstowell@chattanooga.net> >Received: from mail.highertech.net (spamshredder.highertech.net >[66.129.1.23]) >by saffron.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16649 >for <kg04@giddeon.com>; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:33:58 -0600 >Received: from tim (dyn-hts-75.chatt.net [66.129.14.75]) >by mail.highertech.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h0S8Y5K28255; >Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:34:05 -0500 >Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030128032423.00aab600@mail.chattanooga.net> >X-Sender: tstowell@mail.chattanooga.net >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:24:23 -0500 >To: "Paulette Moon" <paulettemoon@msn.com>, <kg04@giddeon.com>, ><rkeason@comcast.net>, eppy@ticnet.com >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> >Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Jackson County seond request >Cc: "Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com>, >"Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> >In-Reply-To: <DAV22mmlQ080Gxw8Zw5000043ac@hotmail.com> >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0 >tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 >version=2.43 >Status: >Paulette and others, >I meant to get this out last night but after watching the Superbowl I >was tired and went on to other things and to bed. My apologies for not >getting it sent last night. >Everyone that has joined GAGenWeb from the beginning has been advised >that there were qualifications and expectations that one had to meet to be a >CC for the project. Websites must meet the guidelines of the USGenWeb >Project and now the Georgia Guidelines. CCs or their co-CC must be able to >create, maintain and upload their web pages. >Since you had indicated that you could not create, maintain or upload >pages, someone had to be found to do so for you. Keith had indicated he had no >time to do such. You stated you didn't want to be a co-CC and would give the >site to someone who could do the whole thing. >So Margie then found someone who would fit that bill. You then changed >your mind again deciding you would co-CC and would find someone yourself to >do the page loading. You indicated to me this person. As someone who >maintain a site must meet the qualifications it was only natural that this person >would be questioned as to whether or not they could do the job. >Apparently this person could not even communicate with Margie - and at >least one member of each site's team must be in contact with their RC. Since >you indicated you would not communicate with Margie that left only your >selection of maintainer to do so. Now that that person has dropped the >ball, what do you propose? >This is not an attempt to force you to give up Jackson County. It is an >attempt to bring the maintenance of the site into compliance. However, >since you indicate above -"my county is meeting the guidelines and I will see >to it that it continues." If you say you can maintain the site and follow >the Georgia Guidelines, which includes communication from time to time with >your RC, then have at it. >That was Sunday night. Monday, you and apparently your 'cousin' decided >to go on the attack against the RC, the ASC and myself with charges of all >sorts of things that were supposedly happening when no such thing was >happening. Perhaps you had your views twisted by folks with other >purposes in mind. Your cousin, if that's what she really is, did you a great >disservice for it killed this last effort to make a go of a county page >with you as CC. >Therefore this is your termination notice for cause from the GAGenWeb >Project. You will be subsequently unsubbed from the State list and your >county will be delinked. You may, if you wish appeal this to the Georgia >Council and/or the USGenWeb Project through Ron Eason - >rkeason@comcast.net >and/or Jimmy Epperson - eppy@ticnet.com - Regional CC Reps. >Tim >This is a private note - permission is not granted to post it elsewhere.

INFORMATION ONLY The signatures of the 5 former, 2 current and 1 non-ever-member are given first by me, so you can see where most of this is coming from: **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner Donna Parrish--Forsyth Co. <MFLP@aol.com> **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner Bettie Wood--CC for Walton & Richmond County, GA, Family Group Sheet Project (& EX??? GA Council Member)<nana321@txucom.net> or <nana321@earthlink.net> **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner **************** unnamed petitioner Brenda Webb--Forsyth County (Dismissed Dawson County CC) <ambleside@mindspring.com> Keith Giddeon--(Dismissed ASC; Resigned Banks County) <kg04@giddeon.com> Lisa Graham--(Dismissed UPSON COUNTY CC) <LisaGraham32@aol.com> Paulette Moon--(Dismissed Jackson County CC) <pamoon123@msn.com> Ann Hall--(Assistant to "dismissed"Jackson County) <AHall23344@aol.com> John Rigdon--(Dismissed Richmond County without 30 days required notice to correct web site MAY/JUN 2002) <JohnR238@aol.com> >We, the undersigned county coordinators of GAGenweb, feeling that >we have exhausted every avenue available to us, and as a last resort, >hereby petition the USGenWeb Advisory Board for relief under the >Standing Rule for Removal of an SC or ASC per Motion 02-23 This is a flat out lie. They have not exhausted every avenue available. They have not asked for mediation. They have not asked the Georgia Council. Furthermore, not all these folks are even GAGenWeb coordinators. The last one was let go before the Guidelines even went into effect and oddly enough by another of the petitioners. Ms. Hall was never part of GAGenWeb.

The following is information - if you wish to discuss the following items - please follow the list rules. If you wish you may respond to me privately or to your RC. ------------------------------------------------- In the next few days, I'm not sure when, but shortly, you will be receiving a message from the EC (Election Committee) per the National Advisory Board, along with a ballot. This ballot will ask: "Shall Tim Stowell, State Coordinator be removed from office?" Choices are to be "Yes", "No", "Present". Included with this question will be the reason(s) for removal and the response (if any). The voting period will be 10 days in length. -------------------------------- The response has just this PM (3/24) been sent to the National Coordinator. The petition and the reply were quite lengthy, so I'm not sure whether or not the NC and/or the EC may cut out parts for the sake of brevity. The petition was signed by 13 current CCs, 5 former CCs and 1 non-member. I'm not going to divulge the names of 11 of the 13 - unless they choose to do so themselves. Two will be given for they are directly or indirectly mentioned in the Complaints. Tim

Maybe because Carroll County is across the State Line from Alabama. Travel costs would have been relatively high to travel to a relatively remote location. My ancestors went there because they had a won a land lottery there. Gaila > In my own research, I have found so many people I research married in Carroll > County, GA - and they lived no where near it! > > Does anyone know the reason? Where can we find the cost of marriage licenses > (I know that isn't the term; however, it eludes me) for the different > counties? Perhaps Carroll County was much lower than the rest? >

Thank you, Tim. Donna

In a message dated 3/23/03 4:38:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, margie@majorinternet.net writes: > May be that the new CC's have not completed the new pages yet? The new page was uploaded March 12 Donna Parrish

Gordon is not in my region. May be that the new CC's have not completed the new pages yet? I feel sure that as soon as Tim or Brenda hear the new site us ready they will change the link. Margie -----Original Message----- From: MFLP@aol.com [mailto:MFLP@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:22 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] Request Margie, Tim and Brenda Since the name has been changed on the Georgia Selection Table, could the URL for the page be changed to the correct one. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagordo2/newindex.htm Thank you. Donna Parrish Forsyth County former Gordon County CC http://members.aol.com/mflp/ ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

Sorry that should have read - RE: Gordon County In a message dated 3/23/03 2:22:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, MFLP@aol.com writes: > Margie, Tim and Brenda > Since the name has been changed on the Georgia Selection Table, could the > URL > for the page be changed to the correct one. > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagordo2/newindex.htm