Jan I'll volunteer to help you with this. Gloria are you volunteering too? <g> This is really a neat idea, & works well in Texas. It may not work here but if we never try, we'll never know! I can volunteer Brenda or Chuck Pierce to make the County of the Month graphics. <BG> They are quite talented at that. > In TX we have > what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them surf > The pages would be checked monthly, to solve > > I haven't won yet, but I keep hoping. <grin> Hang in there kid! It's a hard job sometimes, isn't it? We have 254 TX counties to look at, & over the past year it has gotten harder & harder to pick just one! Bettie <><

Just sticking my two cents worth in here, with a thought. In TX we have what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them surf our area county pages, looking for compliance with our guidelines, as well as checking the pages for content. We do this on a monthly basis. Afterwards we send in a county in our area suggesting they win the county of the month award. It's kind of neat, and gives us a chance to view other pages and to keep our pages up and adding more content to win that award. Might not be a bad idea here. The pages would be checked monthly, to solve that compliance problem and at the same time we might win that award to put on our county page. We also have the awards page that lists who wins each month and of those, one is selected as county of the year. I haven't won yet, but I keep hoping. <grin> Jan Cortez Banks County ----- Original Message ----- From: " Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Site Compliance & Review > In re to the guidelines Debra had requested that the RC's review all the > pages in GaGenWeb for compliance. > > Based on the complaints received, the RCs have been requested to begin that > review; so with that in mind, please don't feel that you are being singled > out if you receive notes from your RC in re to items in re to compliance, > all the sites will be reviewed. > > Thanks, > Brenda > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:01 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > And the reason for that Gloria is that because we now have these > "guidelines" they are being > used to target people personally and not used equally. > CC's are being dismissed who barely are out of the guidelines, if at all, > while other CC's blatantly > ignore the guidelines and are never even questioned. > It's fairness that we want. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but I > want > fairness for ALL. > > Debra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Holback > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:50 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check > our > pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and > omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our > pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There > was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there > seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, > we > are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they > are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and > governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want > this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is > Tim > that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate > or > whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop > even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to > some > of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they > are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care > less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when > we > feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of > those > who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here > a > long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them > have > helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos > changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to > help > one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all > work > > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better > at > > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, > and > > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > > people for the help. > > > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None > of > > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention > willingly. > > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for > this > > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather > than > > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel > in > > different areas > > > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > > > Just my humble opinion. > > > > Jan Cortez > > Banks County > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > > rules. > > > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >

Tim has asked me and others at times to change or add things to our pages. He has called us down when we off topic on the list. I see that he has been fair after reading the material about Ms. Moon and some of the others. So I can not see any reason that this entire matter had to occur. All of us on the GAGenWeb Project do not agree with the petition and did not sign the petition. Nor do we have a problem with the action which Tim took in each of those instances. As for the guidelines please tell us who is ignoring the guidelines but please take it to the GALINA List if the list of names and items ignored will be long. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > And the reason for that Gloria is that because we now have these "guidelines" they are being > used to target people personally and not used equally. > CC's are being dismissed who barely are out of the guidelines, if at all, while other CC's blatantly > ignore the guidelines and are never even questioned. > It's fairness that we want. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but I want > fairness for ALL. > > Debra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: John Holback > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:50 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check our > pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and > omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our > pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There > was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there > seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, we > are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they > are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and > governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want > this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is Tim > that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate or > whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop > even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to some > of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they > are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care > less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when we > feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of those > who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here a > long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them have > helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos > changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to help > one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all > work > > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at > > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and > > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > > people for the help. > > > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of > > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. > > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for > this > > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than > > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel > in > > different areas > > > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > > > Just my humble opinion. > > > > Jan Cortez > > Banks County > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > > rules. > > > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ >

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Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check our pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, we are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is Tim that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate or whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to some of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when we feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of those who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here a long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them have helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to help one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all work > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > people for the help. > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for this > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel in > different areas > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Jan Cortez > Banks County > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > rules. > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ >

I am very happy that I am a new coordinator and I have no idea what y'all are talking about. I think that is a good thing :) michele lewis USGenWeb Coordinator McDuffie Co, GA *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all work within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank people for the help. I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for this project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel in different areas Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. Just my humble opinion. Jan Cortez Banks County ----- Original Message ----- From: <MFLP@aol.com> > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > They should be applied equally or not at all. > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same rules. > > Donna Parrish

If so...please contact me privately about the Indian Wars page that I wrote to you about. We are working on a grant/project with Cherokee County Chamber of Commerce and Cherokee County Historical Society -- we have shown links to the Georgia GenWeb pages as part of resources, and I'd like to see about some possible modifications to the "war" issue that I wrote to you about previously. We'd like to see if there is a way to get this accomplished before we publish what we are doing to the folks at Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. I am sure you know that this could be a sensitive issue. I am wondering if my three emails went astray in the thunder and lightening that is happening on the list? They certainly could have accidentally slipped through the cracks... S. Rankin sylvia@studiosr.com

This has been the worst three or four months for the GAGenWeb. What is going on? Where are we headed with this project? Is this all going to end? Will it end with Tim being replaced? Will it end if the majority votes for Tim to remain as the SC? It needs to end, John Holback

Guys and Gals, It needs to end here. If Tim is not thrown out by this election we need to go forward and support him. If those who are so against him can't do that then they need to leave. If he is thrown out then we need to elect someone we all can live with and go forward. Either way this has to be the end or everyone will leave. Just my two cents Bill

Hi Folks.... For all of you wondering about this question, information will be coming in the near future with details. As we get these procedural details we will relay them to you asap. Thanks jimmy Jim & Gaila wrote: > Hello > When can we vote on this? > Once we vote, I hope we can go back to being supportive to each other and > working on our web pages. > I work on this project for love of the State of Georgia, and the pride I > have in my ancestors pioneering. I work on this project to share information > with others who may now live as far away as I do. > It is time to vote and get back to Genealogy. > All Due Respect, > Gaila Merrington > Houston County, Ga. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:43 PM > Subject: [GAGEN] Complaint #1 - Information ONLY > > > >COMPLAINT #1: On January 28, 2003, Tim knowingly violated the > > >GAGenWeb Guidelines by dismissing Paulette Moon as county > > >coordinator of Jackson County, without justification under said > > >guidelines. > > >CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT #1: Sections 13, 14 and 19, of the > > >GAGenWeb Guidelines lay out all the reasons for which a CC may be > > >dismissed from GAGenWeb. > > >See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm > > >In Tim's dismissal letter to Paulette, he does not prove, nor does he > > >allege, any of these reasons for dismissal in his termination of > > >Paulette. > > >[See Attachment A.] > > > > One can not dismiss someone who has already resigned. > > > > This has already been answered by volumes of email previously sent. Ms. > > Moon resigned on 12/27 as CC for Jackson County. Nevertheless, Brenda > > Pierce, Margie Daniels and myself tried working with her for 3 weeks to > see > > if we couldn't work something out. > > > > Every other email she changed her mind, said she would not work with > anyone > > else even though she didn't know how to create web pages or FTP. We > > offered to help her, teach her, get someone to work with her. None of > that > > was good enough for her. She said she'd found someone to help her. We > > then asked that person if they could in fact create web pages and FTP and > > she didn't bother to respond, saying only to Ms. Moon she didn't have time > > to be bothered. > > > > Since we could make no breakthrough with this person after 3 weeks and > > after a third or fourth party intervened with rude remarks to the RC, it > > was time to move on. Perhaps my note giving up on Ms. Moon was not worded > > in the best possible manner but the fact of the matter that she was not > > willing to cooperate in any matter, was grounds enough to move on. > > > > Ms. Moon further indicated she never wished to hear from me again under > any > > circumstances. > > I've honored her request. > > > > >=============================== > > >Attachment A > > >=============================== > > >Return-Path: <tstowell@chattanooga.net> > > >Received: from mail.highertech.net (spamshredder.highertech.net > > >[66.129.1.23]) > > >by saffron.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16649 > > >for <kg04@giddeon.com>; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:33:58 -0600 > > >Received: from tim (dyn-hts-75.chatt.net [66.129.14.75]) > > >by mail.highertech.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h0S8Y5K28255; > > >Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:34:05 -0500 > > >Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030128032423.00aab600@mail.chattanooga.net> > > >X-Sender: tstowell@mail.chattanooga.net > > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) > > >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:24:23 -0500 > > >To: "Paulette Moon" <paulettemoon@msn.com>, <kg04@giddeon.com>, > > ><rkeason@comcast.net>, eppy@ticnet.com > > >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> > > >Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Jackson County seond request > > >Cc: "Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com>, > > >"Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> > > >In-Reply-To: <DAV22mmlQ080Gxw8Zw5000043ac@hotmail.com> > > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > > >Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" > > >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0 > > >tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 > > >version=2.43 > > >Status: > > >Paulette and others, > > >I meant to get this out last night but after watching the Superbowl I > > >was tired and went on to other things and to bed. My apologies for not > > >getting it sent last night. > > >Everyone that has joined GAGenWeb from the beginning has been advised > > >that there were qualifications and expectations that one had to meet to > be a > > >CC for the project. Websites must meet the guidelines of the USGenWeb > > >Project and now the Georgia Guidelines. CCs or their co-CC must be able > to > > >create, maintain and upload their web pages. > > >Since you had indicated that you could not create, maintain or upload > > >pages, someone had to be found to do so for you. Keith had indicated he > > had no > > >time to do such. You stated you didn't want to be a co-CC and would give > the > > >site to someone who could do the whole thing. > > >So Margie then found someone who would fit that bill. You then changed > > >your mind again deciding you would co-CC and would find someone yourself > to > > >do the page loading. You indicated to me this person. As someone who > > >maintain a site must meet the qualifications it was only natural that > this > > person > > >would be questioned as to whether or not they could do the job. > > >Apparently this person could not even communicate with Margie - and at > > >least one member of each site's team must be in contact with their RC. > Since > > >you indicated you would not communicate with Margie that left only your > > >selection of maintainer to do so. Now that that person has dropped the > > >ball, what do you propose? > > >This is not an attempt to force you to give up Jackson County. It is an > > >attempt to bring the maintenance of the site into compliance. However, > > >since you indicate above -"my county is meeting the guidelines and I will > see > > >to it that it continues." If you say you can maintain the site and follow > > >the Georgia Guidelines, which includes communication from time to time > with > > >your RC, then have at it. > > >That was Sunday night. Monday, you and apparently your 'cousin' decided > > >to go on the attack against the RC, the ASC and myself with charges of > all > > >sorts of things that were supposedly happening when no such thing was > > >happening. Perhaps you had your views twisted by folks with other > > >purposes in mind. Your cousin, if that's what she really is, did you a > great > > >disservice for it killed this last effort to make a go of a county page > > >with you as CC. > > >Therefore this is your termination notice for cause from the GAGenWeb > > >Project. You will be subsequently unsubbed from the State list and your > > >county will be delinked. You may, if you wish appeal this to the Georgia > > >Council and/or the USGenWeb Project through Ron Eason - > > >rkeason@comcast.net > > >and/or Jimmy Epperson - eppy@ticnet.com - Regional CC Reps. > > >Tim > > >This is a private note - permission is not granted to post it elsewhere. > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > http://www.adoption.org

The page is still there. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gadawson/gagen/ Once Tim sent the email, he had new webspace and had delinked her in less than 48 hours. Once before, you claimed that Brenda Webb had not contacted you, but she had copied me on the email. Currently, she is still not showing as co CC of Forsyth and I refer you back to GAGEN and the Internet Archives as to the fact that she was only gone for a short time over a year ago due ro family illness. Donna In a message dated 3/25/03 3:18:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, margie@majorinternet.net writes: > This was a case of the LOGOS being removed and the site being INDEPENDENT. > Also when contacted about this matter the CC never responded. >

This is for the new CCs who may not know of the resources for obtaining records for the county/s that you host. It is wonderful when there are people who volunteer information for the webpages but there are some resources available where you can obtain records to copy to your pages. The National Archives has census and other records which you can rent or purchase. If you do not have a microfiche reader you can sometimes find a used one at an office equiptment company for under $100.00. Also you can purchase them new from several sources. If you have a reader at home you can order the microfilm from several lending libraries and transcribe from those records to you computer. Though it is equally easy to transcribe from hard copies which you can make from the microfilm which many public libraries have on hand. Or the Church of Latter Day Saints also has a program where non members can order (rent) microfilm from the main LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. W! hen the film arrives it must remain at the local Family History Center. Each Church of Latter Day Saints usually has a Family History Center in their Church building. They have film readers and copiers. When you go to an LDS./FHL Center or public library first check to see what films are already available in the library holdings. And then if the film that you need is not there you can have a volunteer help you to place an order for the films that you need. Through the LDS/FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah, you can order any film which is not copyrighted. Those films which are available are most public records from all over the world. Most Georgia Counties have allowed the LDS missionaries in to film the records though some have not. But the Library Catalog Index is online or you can go to the local LDS Church and look for your county in the Locality Card Index, Subject Index and then order the microfilmed copies of the original records. The American Genealogical Lending Library! is another place where you can order film which would be sent to your home for a small fee and then you would return it after a certain date to the libray. Or you can also purchase film from AGLL. If you don't have a reader then take the film to your local library and use their reader/copiers to make your hard copies. That can get expensive though if you are abstracting an entire census for a county. So the best is to have your own readers at home and abstract at your own pace. The GA State Dept. of History and Archives also will sell film to you. But again that can be expensive. So hope this will help some of you to find the county records that you need not only for your GAGenWeb Project Pages but for researching your own families. Gloria --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop!

Eloquently said, MK. While the charges and counter-charges may be relevant to some, the real question behind the upcoming vote is this: Given the past months of conflict and turmoil, does the current state coordinator have the ability to heal the rifts and lead this project into a more productive future? Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 02:02 PM 3/25/2003 -0500, you wrote: >The fact is - things are not working as they are. For whatever reason. > >Looking back, I have never stayed where I was not wanted except when my ego >was involved. And then - I fought to prove a point. > >IMO - if the people who started this have GaGenWeb as their focal point - >rather than ego - they would have stepped away by now. > >I have seldom seen the people in question answer any questions without some >form of defensiveness - even before this started. Since we are all >volunteers supposedly working for the same cause, why have questions been >taken on by personalities rather than the title one holds? > >This project isn't personal - our webpages are personal to us - but the >project is a group of strangers who - hopefully - attempt to help each other >better our pages, better our resources, better our data online. Online. Not >in person. Online. Their is nothing negative here. Or there shouldn't be. >This is like an online love affair that has gone terribly wrong. Normally >under these circumstances - whether online or in real time - the parties go >their separate ways. > >I have nothing against any of them personally. I don't know them. I have >questioned some of their managerial methods and skills, even that does not >make me dislike them. Perhaps the blending of these particular people's >personalities is to blame. Maybe individually they are less caustic and more >supportive. > >I am a signer of said petition. This is why: we must discard this turmoil. > We must become productive again. The infighting must stop in order for us >to do that. Too many people have issues here that are not GaGenWeb related; >however, it is touching each of us. > >Having read some of the posts the people in question have written on other >boards, I see they are combative there too. Petty may be a better word. >Correcting others' human errors. Perhaps it is their nature - or ego - that >drives them to this - I don't know. And yes, I love a good debate and have >added to and started some here. To the best of my recollection, I have never >spell checked any of your posts - nor corrected an obvious error. > >The real question we all have to answer within ourselves is - what is best >for GaGenWeb? What is the healthiest way for us to move past this as a group >- and become productive? Personalities should not be a part of our decision >process. > >I believe it is with new leadership (and before you ask - I do not want any >position except as county/ies coordinator.) A fresh start, new visions, >clean slate. I do not believe having the persons in question remain will be >productive. And I question why they have not placed GaGenWeb before their >egos. > >MK Harrison ><A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> ><A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> ><A >HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceC >ode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> >I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, >assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth >world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this >list! 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

The fact is - things are not working as they are. For whatever reason. Looking back, I have never stayed where I was not wanted except when my ego was involved. And then - I fought to prove a point. IMO - if the people who started this have GaGenWeb as their focal point - rather than ego - they would have stepped away by now. I have seldom seen the people in question answer any questions without some form of defensiveness - even before this started. Since we are all volunteers supposedly working for the same cause, why have questions been taken on by personalities rather than the title one holds? This project isn't personal - our webpages are personal to us - but the project is a group of strangers who - hopefully - attempt to help each other better our pages, better our resources, better our data online. Online. Not in person. Online. Their is nothing negative here. Or there shouldn't be. This is like an online love affair that has gone terribly wrong. Normally under these circumstances - whether online or in real time - the parties go their separate ways. I have nothing against any of them personally. I don't know them. I have questioned some of their managerial methods and skills, even that does not make me dislike them. Perhaps the blending of these particular people's personalities is to blame. Maybe individually they are less caustic and more supportive. I am a signer of said petition. This is why: we must discard this turmoil. We must become productive again. The infighting must stop in order for us to do that. Too many people have issues here that are not GaGenWeb related; however, it is touching each of us. Having read some of the posts the people in question have written on other boards, I see they are combative there too. Petty may be a better word. Correcting others' human errors. Perhaps it is their nature - or ego - that drives them to this - I don't know. And yes, I love a good debate and have added to and started some here. To the best of my recollection, I have never spell checked any of your posts - nor corrected an obvious error. The real question we all have to answer within ourselves is - what is best for GaGenWeb? What is the healthiest way for us to move past this as a group - and become productive? Personalities should not be a part of our decision process. I believe it is with new leadership (and before you ask - I do not want any position except as county/ies coordinator.) A fresh start, new visions, clean slate. I do not believe having the persons in question remain will be productive. And I question why they have not placed GaGenWeb before their egos. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

This was a case of the LOGOS being removed and the site being INDEPENDENT. Also when contacted about this matter the CC never responded. Margie -----Original Message----- From: MFLP@aol.com [mailto:MFLP@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:56 AM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) In a message dated 3/25/03 12:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, margie@majorinternet.net writes: > Abandoned sites do not fall under the 30 day rule. Failure of the SC to change a URL does not constitute abandonment of a site. But now you do understand why I requested for the URL on Gordon County to changed, since the link on the selection list would have gone to a page with no logos. I will refer you to your comment on that. (March Archives) Donna Parrish ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

I will be sending to this list the documentation that I have furnished the AB in the matter of Paulette Moon. I as the RC to Paulette Moon was very much aware of the fact that Keith Giddeon had resigned his RC position and that I was going to come under fire because I accepted the vacated position. I also received a message from Keith Giddeon stating that none of the CC's in the region would ever work with me. Everything was done to try and work with Paulette. The emails listed below are the correspondence on the matter of Jackson County. *** Paulette states she does not have the training to create and update web pages and states she will step aside and who to send the transcriptions. This was the first contact that I had when Tim forwarded her messages because she was saying she could not open Tim's mail. From: "Paulette Moon" pamoon123@msn.com To: "Keith Giddeon cc Banks&Troup Co NE Reg Coord Asst St Coord GA GenWeb" , Subject: Jackson County Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 23:10:19 -0500 Gentlemen, I do not want to comment on the happenings of this week but I feel I need to ask where Keith's resignation as RC leaves me as cc for Jackson County. Unfortunately, I do not have the training to create and update web pages, I wish I did. If at any time you get a volunteer for cc who can do the complete job I will be glad to step aside for the greater good; but, in the meantime, who do I send transcriptions to? Thanks for your time, Paulette ----------------- **** My message to Paulette Moon *>On 12/20 Margie wrote: *>From: "Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> *>To: <pamoon123@msn.com>, "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>, *> "Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com> *>Subject: Help on Jackson County *>Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:24:40 -0600 *>I want to assure you that I will help you in anyway I can. *>I do have a good command of writing web pages and getting them uploaded. *>I will have to have the passwords in order to upload the information. *>I will not promise to get it done within the hour but will do so as soon as *>I can. *>I work a full time job and genealogy is my passion. I travel at times. *>(Have a normal life). *>Fell free to contact me if you have any problems at all if I cannot resolve *>them I will find someone that has the knowledge to help us both. *>Merry Christmas, *>Margie Daniels Reply-To: "Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> From: "Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> To: <pamoon123@msn.com>, "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>, "Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com> Subject: Help on Jackson County Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:24:40 -0600 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=6.0 tests=SMTPD_IN_RCVD version=2.20 X-Spam-Level: * I want to assure you that I will help you in anyway I can. I do have a good command of writing web pages and getting them uploaded. I will have to have the passwords in order to upload the information. I will not promise to get it done within the hour but will do so as soon as I can. I work a full time job and genealogy is my passion. I travel at times. (Have a normal life). Fell free to contact me if you have any problems at all if I cannot resolve them I will find someone that has the knowledge to help us both. Merry Christmas, Margie Daniels *****Below you will find the emails that were sent between Paulette, Brenda Pierce, Tim Stowell and myself. Lisa Graham said in her message to the CC list that she had READ all the harassing emails to Paulette and that each one got meaner and meaner. I had full knowledge that Paulette Moon was Keith Giddeon's neighbor and that this would turn into a big complaint no matter how hard we tried to work with Paulette Moon. Paulette Moon resigned twice not once but twice. I tried my best to not loose someone that wanted to transcribe data. She did not have the skills to create and upload the files and asked where to send the transcriptions. I offered to try and find a Co CC to help and offered to fill in until someone could be found. The very next message was that she did not like me and would not work with me. This was after my message from Keith saying that none of the CC's in the area would work with me. I accepted the second resignation that she sent to Brenda Pierce. I also want to say that Ann Hall refused to respond to two email messages from me and was never an assistant on the Jackson County page. Ann Hall has continued to harass the CC's and myself. Teri Hopper is the current CC for Jackson County and has reported Ann Hall to AOL for harassing her. Ann Hall was reported to the Jackson County mail list admin for harassing me on the mail list and has been from my understanding removed from that list. To put it plainly I/we did all we could to work with Paulette Moon. Paulette Moon, Lisa Graham and Ann Hall are cousins and Paulette is a neighbor of Keith's. I hope this helps everyone to understand why this was not made public due to the filthy nature of the emails. What should have happened is that Lisa Graham should be deemed a member not in good standing with the GAGENWEB and the USGENWEB for false accusations and her charges dismissed. Paulette Moon resigned twice and her resignation was accepted after every attempt to help her did not work. She refused to work with me saying she did not like me and had no grounds for this statement other than her loyalty to Keith Giddeon. They harrassing emails have never been produced because they do not exist. Margie Daniels From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <ltlbit@mindspring.com>; "Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net>; "Richard Pettys" <rpettys@smyrnacable.net> Subject: Complaint #1 (courtesy copy) (part 1 of 4) Date: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:56 PM COMPLAINT #1: On January 28, 2003, Tim knowingly violated the GAGenWeb Guidelines by dismissing Paulette Moon as county coordinator of Jackson County, without justification under said guidelines. CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT: Sections 13, 14 and 19, of the GAGenWeb Guidelines lay out all the reasons for which a CC may be dismissed from GAGenWeb. See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm In Tim's dismissal letter to Paulette, he does not prove, nor does he allege, any of these reasons for dismissal in his termination of Paulette. [See Attachment A.] Attachment A =============================== Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:34:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:24:23 -0500 To: "Paulette Moon" <paulettemoon@msn.com>, <kg04@giddeon.com>, <rkeason@comcast.net>, eppy@ticnet.com From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Jackson County seond request Cc: "Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com>, "Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> Paulette and others, I meant to get this out last night but after watching the Superbowl I was tired and went on to other things and to bed. My apologies for not getting it sent last night. Everyone that has joined GAGenWeb from the beginning has been advised that there were qualifications and expectations that one had to meet to be a CC for the project. Websites must meet the guidelines of the USGenWeb Project and now the Georgia Guidelines. CCs or their co-CC must be able to create, maintain and upload their web pages. Since you had indicated that you could not create, maintain or upload pages, someone had to be found to do so for you. Keith had indicated he had no time to do such. You stated you didn't want to be a co-CC and would give the site to someone who could do the whole thing. So Margie then found someone who would fit that bill. You then changed your mind again deciding you would co-CC and would find someone yourself to do the page loading. You indicated to me this person. As someone who maintains a site must meet the qualifications it was only natural that this person would be questioned as to whether or not they could do the job. Apparently this person could not even communicate with Margie - and at least one member of each site's team must be in contact with their RC. Since you indicated you would not communicate with Margie that left only your selection of maintainer to do so. Now that that person has dropped the ball, what do you propose? This is not an attempt to force you to give up Jackson County. It is an attempt to bring the maintenance of the site into compliance. However, since you indicate above -"my county is meeting the guidelines and I will see to it that it continues." If you say you can maintain the site and follow the Georgia Guidelines, which includes communication from time to time with your RC, then have at it. That was Sunday night. Monday, you and apparently your 'cousin' decided to go on the attack against the RC, the ASC and myself with charges of all sorts of things that were supposedly happening when no such thing was happening. Perhaps you had your views twisted by folks with other purposes in mind. Your cousin, if that's what she really is, did you a great disservice for it killed this last effort to make a go of a county page with you as CC. Therefore this is your termination notice for cause from the GAGenWeb Project. You will be subsequently unsubbed from the State list and your county will be delinked. You may, if you wish appeal this to the Georgia Council and/or the USGenWeb Project through Ron Eason - rkeason@comcast.net and/or Jimmy Epperson - eppy@ticnet.com - Regional CC Reps. Tim This is a private note - permission is not granted to post it elsewhere. ------------------------- Apparently copyright has been violated - the disclaimer that it was a private note that's now been forwarded all over - Georgia falls under USGenWeb Bylaws as well and Parliamentary procedure. Ms. Paulette Moon - could neither create or upload a site; refused to work with others; could not supposedly receive email from me - while everyone else could; made false charges against Margie Daniels - RC and Brenda Pierce - ASC; and lastly and perhaps most sadly was a victim of Keith Giddeon's manipulations. On 12/19/02 Paulette Moon wrote to Keith Giddeon and myself saying: "Gentlemen, I do not want to comment on the happenings of this week but I feel I need to ask where Keith's resignation as RC leaves me as cc for Jackson County. Unfortunately, I do not have the training to create and update web pages, I wish I did. If at any time you get a volunteer for cc who can do the complete job I will be glad to step aside for the greater good; but, in the meantime, who do I send transcriptions to?" -------------- Keith responded on 12/20 - the date I was flying to Minnesota for Christmas: Hi Paulette, I will continue to help you on Jackson county if that is your wish. I doubt you'll get any support from Tim or anyone he appoints to replace me. I also have received an email from someone who may be willing to help you in my stead. We'll see. --Keith -------------- On 12/20 I wrote Paulette saying: "Hi Paulette, I've asked Margie Daniels and Brenda Pierce to contact you to see how they might assist you and/or train you. I'm leaving in a couple of hours to be away for the holidays. If you have further questions or if I can be of assistance on the road, please let me know. Tim Stowell" ------------------ She replied on 12/20 saying: Tim, I am sorry but I am unable to open the e-mail attachment Re_Jackson County.dat that you sent to me. Please advise. Paulette (I didn't send her a .dat file but the message above) ---------------- Also on 12/20 I wrote in part - Margie Daniels, RC for Northeast Georgia and ASC Brenda Pierce the following: "Margie and Brenda, Would you look into assisting this person? Tim" ----------------- On 12/20 Margie wrote: From: "Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> To: <pamoon123@msn.com>, "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net>, "Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com> Subject: Help on Jackson County Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 11:24:40 -0600 I want to assure you that I will help you in anyway I can. I do have a good command of writing web pages and getting them uploaded. I will have to have the passwords in order to upload the information. I will not promise to get it done within the hour but will do so as soon as I can. I work a full time job and genealogy is my passion. I travel at times. (Have a normal life). Fell free to contact me if you have any problems at all if I cannot resolve them I will find someone that has the knowledge to help us both. Merry Christmas, Margie Daniels ----------------------- On 12/23 I replied to Paulette's note of 12/20 where she said she couldn't read my message: "Paulette, I don't understand what happened. I did not send an attachment to you. My machine has been certified virus free. All I was telling you in the note was that I was asking the ASC - Brenda Pierce and your new RC Margie Daniels to assist you with your site. I'll be more than willing to assist if needed but I'm currently away from home in western MN with limited Internet use (mainly time). Have a wonderful holiday season. Tim" ------------------- On 12/23 Paulette replied to me: "Hi Tim, I have gotten another e-mail from you with no e-mail message but attachment Re_Jackson County.dat With the talk about viruses going through the list I now suspect that is what I am getting. Actually viruses come in my e-mail almost every day so I am not worried about it, just let me know if this is a file you meant to send to me and if so how do I use it." -------------------- On 12/26 Margie wrote Paulette: You are right Tim did contact me and Brenda. As you know Georgia is rather large and we have divided up the work to be able to get things done in a faster fashion. It is impossible for just Tim to answer all the email from all the CC's, the state page, email list just to name a few. Did Keith contact you and tell you that he would continue to help or is he out of it Jackson all together. If so I will need for you to contact him to get the passwords from Keith so I can up load and make changes to the site. When you get the passwords please just send to me so I can down load the site and get it on my computer and I will try and find a CC that you can work with. I will take over the role of CC until we get another with the understanding that you are the Co CC since that is what you have indicated. -------------- To which Paulette replied: From: <mailto:pamoon123@msn.com>Paulette Moon To: <mailto:margie@majorinternet.net>Margie Daniels Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 7:59 AM Subject: Jackson County Hi Margie, Thanks for offering to help with my web pages. I have only been coordinator for the Jackson Couty site for a few months. Keith has not had time to redesign the pages but was able to update it somewhat so that it looks better. He has been trying to find someone to help me with Jackson County. In any case, I e-mailed both Keith and Tim. Keith replied he will continue to do what he can. I did not get a reply from Tim, I assume he contacted you and Brenda instead. I said all that to say this, I don't have the passwords. (not true) -------------------- From: Brenda Pierce Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 9:51 PM To: Margie Daniels; Paulette Moon Cc: Tim Stowell Subject: Re: Jackson County Re passwords - I have contacted RW to ask for the passwords - Since it is Paulette's site and she is the cc, RW will provide the passwords to her and she can then forward to us. Thanks, Brenda -------------------- On 12/27, I wrote Margie Daniels: "Margie, Actually I've contacted her twice but for some reason she can't read my emails. She says they come through as .dat files - which makes no sense. I've even sent from 2 different computers, so I'm not sure what the answer is. Tim" ---------------------------- From: Paulette Moon To: Brenda Pierce Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: Jackson County Hi Brenda, Margie's e-mail indicates she is taking over as the Jackson County CC, I am not interested in being Co CC. I agree someone needs to have the county that can and will do the whole job. Please replace my name with Margie's and have the passwords sent to her. Thanks, Paulette (this was her resignation) ---------------------------- On 12/30/02 - Margie wrote to Paulette and inadvertently another CC in Georgia, Brenda Webb: "I did not say I was taking over as CC for the county, what I said was I would be glad to help get the material on line until I could find a replacement. since you do not know how to write pages per your email to Tim. I use the term Co CC since it takes both to get the pages up. I am sorry if I did not understand what you are saying. If you do not need someone to write and upload the pages for you and plan on writing them yourself just let me know and I apologize for the misunderstanding on my part. If you do need someone to write the pages and upload them using the material you furnish then I will try and get someone to do this and the term for lack of a better one I use is Co CC. I will be glad to do fill in on the site until we can get a person if you need them. Please just let me know what you need for me to do to help you. Again, I am sorry for the misunderstanding. Margie" (regardless of her resignation, an offer to try to work things out with her) ---------------------------------------- End of part 1 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

Hi all, So as not to blast you all with a bunch of emails & not wishing to take a chance on being moderated, I have made a web page that includes my responses to what I've seen so far on this list. I invite you to view the answers: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gawalton/posts.html I will continue to update this as the emails come in. The GA FGS Project has gone over 1500 fgs online now! In case you don't know the URL, it is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~garichmo/groupindx.html For those of ya'll that are keeping up with your specific counties, the most recent & searchable uploads are here: http://www.rootsweb.com/~garichmo/bios/fgsuplds.htm Have a good day, Bettie <>< -- Never take away anyone's hope. That may be all they have. -- All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002, http://www.symantec.com/

In a message dated 3/25/03 12:28:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, margie@majorinternet.net writes: > Abandoned sites do not fall under the 30 day rule. Failure of the SC to change a URL does not constitute abandonment of a site. But now you do understand why I requested for the URL on Gordon County to changed, since the link on the selection list would have gone to a page with no logos. I will refer you to your comment on that. (March Archives) Donna Parrish

In a message dated 3/25/03 10:35:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > 3) Where is the information from Brenda Webb in re to this, why is Donna > Parish's information the only information submitted in re to this. Why > does Brenda Webb's email always get answered by Donna Parrish? ALWAYS? Brenda Webb and I have worked together a long time. Please feel free to view the memory pages on our website http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/gagen/ You will see that Brenda Webb was there before I was. Brenda Webb was unsubbed from this list so she can't answer. Some CC's may operate under assumed names. Brenda Webb and I do not. Brenda Webb's personal page http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~airforce/index.htm Her family pictures including her. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~airforce/newpics.htm Donna Parrish's personal page http://donnaparrish.com/personal/donna.html Her picture http://donnaparrish.com/personal/donnatra.jpg Her family pictures are here http://donnaparrish.com/personal/pics.html Back it up to here and you can see the dates they were uploaded. http://donnaparrish.com/personal/ The picture of me on the tractor is by Tom Brooks and first appeared with the article on Donna Parrish in the Forsyth County News supplement "Women of Forsyth". It is used with permission. Donna Parrish