Jan/RC list: We are Rc and SC challenged at the moment- Richard is out until at least Sunday night, Virginia is out until?; Tim is out of pocket as well. I am however assigning this a Action Item Number 03272003-1 (my new thing to keep up with requests that are presented to us so they do not fall through the crack), and will put it back on the list with the action number assigned. There are a couple of issues so before you go aw that wet blanket, let me say "getting data on these sites" needs to be accomplished, and this might generate some of that, & Jan I think you would be terrific at heading this up .... and fyi I usually see the glass half full, but in this case a couple of issues with this that I think I have to bring up as Tim is not around to do so. 1) This would necessitate a change to the current guidelines which we can not make changes to until the coo is settled, we have several items that are on the table as well. 2) Personally I think if we don't ask for a vote of the cc's and see how many want this, we will be asking for more trouble, either that or make it clear that there can be a list of those that do not wish to participate and they will not be bothered. The last time it caused hard feelings and the last person I remember winning it was Scott Dingler over in ~gapolk and at that time he was "out front technology wise", he was the only one at that time among us that knew how to use frames and he had great content and a well laid out site, he was then criticized due to his "techno savviness that he should not have won, that frames were wrong, people couldn't access it with frames, all kinds of wild statements. 3) I fear if this were not to be "managed" it would turn into a picking party. 7 have been having a picking party as of late and one volunteered. Also, another main concern, when it was David Morgan's birthday I received an email asking a bunch of us to go vote for David's site out there. So I did not think that system was very fair. There are other items to take into consideration - the size of GA versus TX being one of them, the multiple co owners. 1_ alot of Counties in Ga had their courthouses burned (one co has burned 5 x's), therefore it is much harder for those counties to transcribe information that IS NOT available. 2_ Some of the newer counties will not have much data because their entrance date was early 1900's or like Peach the first available census being 1930. 3_ Bells and Whistles -- some people have to rely on graphics that are available online for free, not something they create; what about frames are they going to immediately be disqualified because someone does not like frames; Those are some of the questions I would ask out of fairness to the cc's. Again, not trying to be a wet blanket, I just don't have stars in my eyes. Brenda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 10:37 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Site Compliance & Review Sorry it appeared like I disappeared, but hit the feathers early and then had a DAR meeting tonight, so am just checking email and off again for the night. Sounds like we have quite a few interested here in surfin' Georgia. So what do we do next? I guess I am asking Tim and the RC's, what the procedure would be????? Do we send something formal to you, asking for permission to start this project? I am willing, to help in the set-up, so *if* we can get started, and we have a few volunteers here, including, I hope, those graphic makers, once we get the go ahead - well........... Personally, I am graphic challenged, but, can help with the other things. <g> So I shall wait for a response from our management team and if we get the okay - let's go for it! We can have fun, maybe win an award and check sites for compliance all at the same time. So what do you say? Jan Cortez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Arguelles" <ejarguelles@msn.com> > If we end up doing the surfing thing, I'd like to volunteer to be a > "Surfer." Not 'cause I want to pick apart the sites, but because it seems > like fun to see what others are doing with their pages! Whether or not > there is a "County of the Month" chosen, it might be fun to "spotlight" some > of the great things that CCs have done. > > Jeanne Arguelles > Madison & Oglethorpe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Site Compliance & Review > > > > There would be a surfer for the area that you are in. I'm not sure which > > county as we have 254 of them. <g> I surf the NC 1-27 area. You can find > > the areas by clicking on the Committe link. > > > > Here is the URL to look at what we do and the areas that we surf: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/surfing/ > > > > It just might be a fun thing for us to do in GA. > > > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 9:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > cristian@netonecom.net writes: > > > > > > > In TX we have > > > > what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them > > surf > > > > our area county pages, looking for compliance > > > > > > I think that is a great idea. If you get a chance, would you surf by my > > new > > > page for TX and see if I missed any of the rules. > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this list!

Sorry it appeared like I disappeared, but hit the feathers early and then had a DAR meeting tonight, so am just checking email and off again for the night. Sounds like we have quite a few interested here in surfin' Georgia. So what do we do next? I guess I am asking Tim and the RC's, what the procedure would be????? Do we send something formal to you, asking for permission to start this project? I am willing, to help in the set-up, so *if* we can get started, and we have a few volunteers here, including, I hope, those graphic makers, once we get the go ahead - well........... Personally, I am graphic challenged, but, can help with the other things. <g> So I shall wait for a response from our management team and if we get the okay - let's go for it! We can have fun, maybe win an award and check sites for compliance all at the same time. So what do you say? Jan Cortez ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Arguelles" <ejarguelles@msn.com> > If we end up doing the surfing thing, I'd like to volunteer to be a > "Surfer." Not 'cause I want to pick apart the sites, but because it seems > like fun to see what others are doing with their pages! Whether or not > there is a "County of the Month" chosen, it might be fun to "spotlight" some > of the great things that CCs have done. > > Jeanne Arguelles > Madison & Oglethorpe > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:31 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Site Compliance & Review > > > > There would be a surfer for the area that you are in. I'm not sure which > > county as we have 254 of them. <g> I surf the NC 1-27 area. You can find > > the areas by clicking on the Committe link. > > > > Here is the URL to look at what we do and the areas that we surf: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/surfing/ > > > > It just might be a fun thing for us to do in GA. > > > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 9:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > > cristian@netonecom.net writes: > > > > > > > In TX we have > > > > what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them > > surf > > > > our area county pages, looking for compliance > > > > > > I think that is a great idea. If you get a chance, would you surf by my > > new > > > page for TX and see if I missed any of the rules. > > > Donna > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >

Great news! Images of the 1860, 1870 and 1880 Censuses of Rabun Co., GA are now online...my long-awaited CD came in from S-K Publications. Yippee!! The URL for the census images, if anyone is interested, is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/rabun/census/ Thanks, Dawn Watson CC/Rabun Co., GAGenWeb _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Mary Katherine, I did not think about that but your right, and it is not a good idea to post anything online from any of the LDS records without following the instructions that Mary Katherine provided us in her email. The folks at the LDS/FHL are very good people and they will do what ever they can do to help you within the copyrights. So, I do thank you for telling us about the copyrights which may pertain to any county material and may also be applicable to the federal census records too. Most likely it would be better to order the census records direct from the national archives and if need be check with the department head if there is any problem in copying from the microfilmed copies of census records for placement on the www. As for county records you will be better off trying to make a trip to the county seat of the county which you maintain and plan a week or more to abstract some of the earliest to 1900 marriages, probate, land and property indexes. With that information online it would be a big help to anyone who needs to order copies of their ancestors land and property records and such. The other wonderful thing would be if someone in that county would offer to go to the courthouse and do lookups, and or abstract records. After all these years in hosting counties I have only found a few folks who are willing to do that. As for the two counties that I host now I have pleaded with some people who live in the area (friends, relatives and acquaintances) to help out by going to the courthouse and photocopying the original index pages so they can be posted online. Many courthouses will not look up old records and those that will charge a search fee, (and I can understand why they need to do that as they are having to take an employee away from their normal job to search for records. Then will paying a professional that can get to be expensive and we are volunteers although I have spent a fortune on genealogy over a period of time. So what Mary Katherine said is correct but I was not thinking about copyrights with the county or agreements when it came to public records from photocopies of the originals but because they were photocopied by someone you need to check on who has the copyrights. And I do appreciate Mary Katherine letting us know . Gloria :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy@attglobal.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Suggestion: obtaining materials for your websites > Gloria et al - > > I'm glad you brought this up, as I discovered that it is not quite possible > to go in and index or transcribe at will the records that the LDS church > has on microfilm at the LDS FHL as I once thought (even if they are > considered "public" records). You can, but you need to get permission from > the Copyright office of the Family History Department in Salt Lake, as our > indexing, etc. could violate contracts they have with the original holders > of the records. I'm including the information that was sent to me by the > FHD below: > > *********** > I must make you aware of some policies of the Family and Church History > Department concerning appropriate uses of materials in our collection. Due > to the increasing publication of these materials on the Internet, we are > having to become more strict in enforcing these policies to keep the > department from being in violation of our contractual agreements with the > donors of the records in our collection. > > Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and Family > History Centers are intended for non-commercial PERSONAL family history > research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial > personal family history research may violate contractual agreements with > the records custodians and/or copyright laws. > > In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual obligations > and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our collection are > not permitted: > > 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire record sets, > 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of "fair > use.") > > For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or the > Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and > publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects in > exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting indexes. > To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing, including > your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be indexes > along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full description > lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including > publication to the Internet) to: > > President, The Genealogical Society of Utah > 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor > Salt Lake City UT 84150 > > Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or extraction > projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting such > projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy has > been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in the > centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the > Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the > donors of these materials. > ********* > I hope this clears up the situation! :-) > > Mary Kathryn Kozy > Mitchell Co., GA GenWeb CC > mkozy@attglobal.net > > > > At 03:21 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: > > >This is for the new CCs who may not know of the resources for obtaining > >records for the county/s that you host. It is wonderful when there are > >people who volunteer information for the webpages but there are some > >resources available where you can obtain records to copy to your pages. > >The National Archives has census and other records which you can rent or > >purchase. If you do not have a microfiche reader you can sometimes find a > >used one at an office equiptment company for under $100.00. Also you can > >purchase them new from several sources. If you have a reader at home you > >can order the microfilm from several lending libraries and transcribe from > >those records to you computer. Though it is equally easy to transcribe > >from hard copies which you can make from the microfilm which many public > >libraries have on hand. Or the Church of Latter Day Saints also has a > >program where non members can order (rent) microfilm from the main LDS > >Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. W! > >hen the film arrives it must remain at the local Family History Center. > >Each Church of Latter Day Saints usually has a Family History Center in > >their Church building. They have film readers and copiers. When you go to > >an LDS./FHL Center or public library first check to see what films are > >already available in the library holdings. And then if the film that you > >need is not there you can have a volunteer help you to place an order for > >the films that you need. Through the LDS/FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah, you > >can order any film which is not copyrighted. Those films which are > >available are most public records from all over the world. Most Georgia > >Counties have allowed the LDS missionaries in to film the records though > >some have not. But the Library Catalog Index is online or you can go to > >the local LDS Church and look for your county in the Locality Card Index, > >Subject Index and then order the microfilmed copies of the original > >records. The American Genealogical Lending Library! > > is another place where you can order film which would be sent to your > > home for a small fee and then you would return it after a certain date to > > the libray. Or you can also purchase film from AGLL. If you don't have a > > reader then take the film to your local library and use their > > reader/copiers to make your hard copies. That can get expensive though if > > you are abstracting an entire census for a county. So the best is to > > have your own readers at home and abstract at your own pace. The GA > > State Dept. of History and Archives also will sell film to you. But again > > that can be expensive. So hope this will help some of you to find the > > county records that you need not only for your GAGenWeb Project Pages but > > for researching your own families. Gloria > > > > > >--------------------------------- > >Do you Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >

Gloria et al - I'm glad you brought this up, as I discovered that it is not quite possible to go in and index or transcribe at will the records that the LDS church has on microfilm at the LDS FHL as I once thought (even if they are considered "public" records). You can, but you need to get permission from the Copyright office of the Family History Department in Salt Lake, as our indexing, etc. could violate contracts they have with the original holders of the records. I'm including the information that was sent to me by the FHD below: *********** I must make you aware of some policies of the Family and Church History Department concerning appropriate uses of materials in our collection. Due to the increasing publication of these materials on the Internet, we are having to become more strict in enforcing these policies to keep the department from being in violation of our contractual agreements with the donors of the records in our collection. Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and Family History Centers are intended for non-commercial PERSONAL family history research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial personal family history research may violate contractual agreements with the records custodians and/or copyright laws. In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual obligations and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our collection are not permitted: 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire record sets, 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of "fair use.") For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or the Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects in exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting indexes. To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing, including your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be indexes along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full description lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including publication to the Internet) to: President, The Genealogical Society of Utah 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor Salt Lake City UT 84150 Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or extraction projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting such projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy has been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in the centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the donors of these materials. ********* I hope this clears up the situation! :-) Mary Kathryn Kozy Mitchell Co., GA GenWeb CC mkozy@attglobal.net At 03:21 PM 3/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: >This is for the new CCs who may not know of the resources for obtaining >records for the county/s that you host. It is wonderful when there are >people who volunteer information for the webpages but there are some >resources available where you can obtain records to copy to your pages. >The National Archives has census and other records which you can rent or >purchase. If you do not have a microfiche reader you can sometimes find a >used one at an office equiptment company for under $100.00. Also you can >purchase them new from several sources. If you have a reader at home you >can order the microfilm from several lending libraries and transcribe from >those records to you computer. Though it is equally easy to transcribe >from hard copies which you can make from the microfilm which many public >libraries have on hand. Or the Church of Latter Day Saints also has a >program where non members can order (rent) microfilm from the main LDS >Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah. W! >hen the film arrives it must remain at the local Family History Center. >Each Church of Latter Day Saints usually has a Family History Center in >their Church building. They have film readers and copiers. When you go to >an LDS./FHL Center or public library first check to see what films are >already available in the library holdings. And then if the film that you >need is not there you can have a volunteer help you to place an order for >the films that you need. Through the LDS/FHL in Salt Lake City, Utah, you >can order any film which is not copyrighted. Those films which are >available are most public records from all over the world. Most Georgia >Counties have allowed the LDS missionaries in to film the records though >some have not. But the Library Catalog Index is online or you can go to >the local LDS Church and look for your county in the Locality Card Index, >Subject Index and then order the microfilmed copies of the original >records. The American Genealogical Lending Library! > is another place where you can order film which would be sent to your > home for a small fee and then you would return it after a certain date to > the libray. Or you can also purchase film from AGLL. If you don't have a > reader then take the film to your local library and use their > reader/copiers to make your hard copies. That can get expensive though if > you are abstracting an entire census for a county. So the best is to > have your own readers at home and abstract at your own pace. The GA > State Dept. of History and Archives also will sell film to you. But again > that can be expensive. So hope this will help some of you to find the > county records that you need not only for your GAGenWeb Project Pages but > for researching your own families. Gloria > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html

Wearing my CC hat here. Consider this a formal complaint to you Jimmy Epperson my Representative and the members of the AB. This matter was brought before the AB and it was placed for a vote and you did not have a quorum. The Bylaws state that a failed attempt cannot be brought again for 6 months. Why is the board now rehearing the same complaints when it has been heard before? I know that the complaint was withdrawn but this was after the vote failed to have a quorum. Why are you using two different Bylaws to rule on the same complaint? The matter was withdrawn after a failed quorum and then immediately refiled. Even if the complaint was heard again which it cannot be since there is a 6 month rule it should not be heard under the new amendments. Is this a railroad job, it sure looks like it. The complaint was heard and failed. How can you not act like this never happened and the same people bring the same complaints again and this time under the new rules? Why are you not applying the same to the problems in North Carolina? Why are you choosing to beat Tim and Georgia down and not applying the same standards to North Carolina? They should not be able to bring this action for 6 months. I would also like to request that a copy of the bylaw that was passed after this complaint was brought to be posted on this list regarding the removal of the SC or ASC. I could not find it on the National board. I would like to know if there is any language that protects those falsely accused. I also would like to know why my complaints were refused by you stating that the AB refused them because they had not been exhausted locally when the complaints that we have before us were never brought to the State and are against the USGENWEB Bylaws and the GaGenWeb Bylaws. Each state that the matter has to be heard on the State level first. None of the complain taints have sought relief on the State Level. This in my opinion is an illegal action and violated Bylaws and Guidelines. I protest this entire matter stating that 1. The complainants did not bring the matter to the State level as required by both UsGenWeb and GaGenWeb. 2. The AB is in violation of the Bylaws that state the matter must be heard by the State first 3. The AB refused to hear the complaint of Margie Daniels citing that the matter had not been heard on the State Level but allowed these complain taints to bring a complaint when they had not sought relief at the State Level. Margie Daniels complaint was directly related to the Lisa Graham matter. 4. Due process was not followed in keeping with the USGENWEB Bylaws. The NC has stepped outside the Bylaws by allowing this action to be brought again within 6 months by the same complain taints. Am I outraged. Yes I am. This action shows in my opinion that some members of this Board and the NC are biased in their treatment of others. Depending on who they like and who they do not like. North Carolina VS. Georgia. Same complaints different actions on the part of the NC. I would also like to request the courtesy of a reply to all my complaints in an official letter since I have not heard a word on any of them. I do not want to hear it through the grapevine. I would like the NC to respond to my complaints with an explanation as to why I was denied and these complain taints were heard when they did not follow the Bylaws and the Guidelines. Section 5. State projects are empowered to develop/adopt any additional rules/bylaws and guidelines, as appropriate, for their state so long as they do not conflict with these bylaws. State projects shall be highly encouraged to develop and adopt rules/bylaws that cover grievance procedures within the state Margie Daniels CC Putham, Crawford and Macon Counties Member UsGenWeb since 1996 -----Original Message----- From: jimmy [mailto:eppy@ticnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 11:21 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] Procedures Hi Folks I am wearing my AB hat for this message!!!! OK, here is the first little tidbit of the procedures of how things will work as I understand it. I am copying this note to the NC and the parliamentarian so they can correct me if and when I try to tell you incorrectly!!! The procedure being used by the AB is located at http://www.usgenweb.org/official/standing-procedures.html#re, "Removal of an SC or ASC". Read this and you'll know as much as I do!!!! When the time comes, the EC will send you a password, and information on where to vote when they have things ready and you will vote much like you do for the annual elections. At this time I do not know the timeframe as to when that will be. There has been some question as to what the "present" vote means. The USGenWeb Bylaws requires for this vote to be valid that a quorum, or minimum of 75% of the CC's vote. The "present", is the same as abstain, it counts your vote towards the quorum, but will not count to the 2/3 (66%) "Yes" votes needed for passage. If you have any questions please feel to let me know. Thanks jimmy ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this list! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003

Gosh. I almost wish I had never asked for a little correction on the inaccurate info on Trail of Tears to be revised in a manner more objective and respectful of the Native American point of view (also)! I noted this morning that the Indian Wars link now points to a new page that says: "Indian Wars - If you have any records, Rosters, massacres, diaries, bibles pertaining to the Indian Wars please send to me and I will add them here...Do you have stories or family history of Troops or settlers that were massacred by or fled from the Indians..." Georgia was home to the Native Americans before some of our folks came here. Additionally, some of our ancestors married Cherokee. I am asking that we please think of the Native American folks who may be also researching here. If we ask for folks to send in for posting stories of Indian depredations---then would we also want to ask for stories about our ancestors killing Indians and forcing them from their lands?? I don't think we really want to go there. Please! I am only asking for us to consider "Fair & Balanced" reporting here! (original email below--) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- I keep coming back to the Georgia Military Records section on the State page ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/records/military.htm ) -- just poking around for information, etc. I am wondering about this page and some information contained therein: (BTW -- the link should say something like War Time Line, instead of 'wartimeine', perhaps) http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/records/wartimeline.htm Notwithstanding this statement -- which is condensed down to now being totally incorrect and should be revised or removed---- "1836 War of Texas Independence More than 30,000 American settlers in Texas fight Mexico for independence." (There were a lot more Irish and Mexicans and Texicans who were there fighting than Americans.) This is the one that really worries me: "1838-39 Trail of Tears More than 7,000 soldiers relocate Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek and Chickasaw Indians from their lands in North Carolina and Georgia to territory in present-day Oklahoma. More than 4,000 Indians die during the journey." .....................Here we have a page on our state site that is titled "A Chronology of Conflict" and it lists the Trail of Tears with all of these "wars"? I feel that we might be sounding just a little insensitive here! I just completed a course at Emory on the history of the Cherokee, and we learned that the last of the Cherokee to leave this area agreed to remove themselves and were led by their own leadership. The 7,000 troops under General Winfield Scott did not "relocate" them, as stated here. Additionally, I spent a week in Tahlequah, OK in February---learning a lot about the Cherokee people, their life in "Old Cherokee Nation", and their forced migration to Indian Territory in the West. While I do not subscribe to re-writing history, I do think that we might be more objective in telling the story or presenting the "facts", perhaps. I have seen the website that this information possible came from -- but just because it's posted someplace, doesn't make it right. Additionally, I am wondering about this Military History section. It doesn't all pertain to Georgia. (Perhaps we could say that a lot of it doesn't pertain to Georgia?) What is our position in GAGenWeb relative to the Georgia pages actually containing Georgia information? See also: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/records/IndianWars.htm

Hello When can we vote on this? Once we vote, I hope we can go back to being supportive to each other and working on our web pages. I work on this project for love of the State of Georgia, and the pride I have in my ancestors pioneering. I work on this project to share information with others who may now live as far away as I do. It is time to vote and get back to Genealogy. All Due Respect, Gaila Merrington Houston County, Ga. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Complaint #1 - Information ONLY > >COMPLAINT #1: On January 28, 2003, Tim knowingly violated the > >GAGenWeb Guidelines by dismissing Paulette Moon as county > >coordinator of Jackson County, without justification under said > >guidelines. > >CAUSE FOR COMPLAINT #1: Sections 13, 14 and 19, of the > >GAGenWeb Guidelines lay out all the reasons for which a CC may be > >dismissed from GAGenWeb. > >See: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/guidelines.htm > >In Tim's dismissal letter to Paulette, he does not prove, nor does he > >allege, any of these reasons for dismissal in his termination of > >Paulette. > >[See Attachment A.] > > One can not dismiss someone who has already resigned. > > This has already been answered by volumes of email previously sent. Ms. > Moon resigned on 12/27 as CC for Jackson County. Nevertheless, Brenda > Pierce, Margie Daniels and myself tried working with her for 3 weeks to see > if we couldn't work something out. > > Every other email she changed her mind, said she would not work with anyone > else even though she didn't know how to create web pages or FTP. We > offered to help her, teach her, get someone to work with her. None of that > was good enough for her. She said she'd found someone to help her. We > then asked that person if they could in fact create web pages and FTP and > she didn't bother to respond, saying only to Ms. Moon she didn't have time > to be bothered. > > Since we could make no breakthrough with this person after 3 weeks and > after a third or fourth party intervened with rude remarks to the RC, it > was time to move on. Perhaps my note giving up on Ms. Moon was not worded > in the best possible manner but the fact of the matter that she was not > willing to cooperate in any matter, was grounds enough to move on. > > Ms. Moon further indicated she never wished to hear from me again under any > circumstances. > I've honored her request. > > >=============================== > >Attachment A > >=============================== > >Return-Path: <tstowell@chattanooga.net> > >Received: from mail.highertech.net (spamshredder.highertech.net > >[66.129.1.23]) > >by saffron.propagation.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA16649 > >for <kg04@giddeon.com>; Tue, 28 Jan 2003 02:33:58 -0600 > >Received: from tim (dyn-hts-75.chatt.net [66.129.14.75]) > >by mail.highertech.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id h0S8Y5K28255; > >Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:34:05 -0500 > >Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20030128032423.00aab600@mail.chattanooga.net> > >X-Sender: tstowell@mail.chattanooga.net > >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) > >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 03:24:23 -0500 > >To: "Paulette Moon" <paulettemoon@msn.com>, <kg04@giddeon.com>, > ><rkeason@comcast.net>, eppy@ticnet.com > >From: Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net> > >Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: Jackson County seond request > >Cc: "Brenda Pierce" <ltlbit@mindspring.com>, > >"Margie Daniels" <margie@majorinternet.net> > >In-Reply-To: <DAV22mmlQ080Gxw8Zw5000043ac@hotmail.com> > >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Content-Type: text/enriched; charset="us-ascii" > >X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=6.0 > >tests=CARRIAGE_RETURNS,IN_REP_TO,OUTLOOK_FW_MSG,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 > >version=2.43 > >Status: > >Paulette and others, > >I meant to get this out last night but after watching the Superbowl I > >was tired and went on to other things and to bed. My apologies for not > >getting it sent last night. > >Everyone that has joined GAGenWeb from the beginning has been advised > >that there were qualifications and expectations that one had to meet to be a > >CC for the project. Websites must meet the guidelines of the USGenWeb > >Project and now the Georgia Guidelines. CCs or their co-CC must be able to > >create, maintain and upload their web pages. > >Since you had indicated that you could not create, maintain or upload > >pages, someone had to be found to do so for you. Keith had indicated he > had no > >time to do such. You stated you didn't want to be a co-CC and would give the > >site to someone who could do the whole thing. > >So Margie then found someone who would fit that bill. You then changed > >your mind again deciding you would co-CC and would find someone yourself to > >do the page loading. You indicated to me this person. As someone who > >maintain a site must meet the qualifications it was only natural that this > person > >would be questioned as to whether or not they could do the job. > >Apparently this person could not even communicate with Margie - and at > >least one member of each site's team must be in contact with their RC. Since > >you indicated you would not communicate with Margie that left only your > >selection of maintainer to do so. Now that that person has dropped the > >ball, what do you propose? > >This is not an attempt to force you to give up Jackson County. It is an > >attempt to bring the maintenance of the site into compliance. However, > >since you indicate above -"my county is meeting the guidelines and I will see > >to it that it continues." If you say you can maintain the site and follow > >the Georgia Guidelines, which includes communication from time to time with > >your RC, then have at it. > >That was Sunday night. Monday, you and apparently your 'cousin' decided > >to go on the attack against the RC, the ASC and myself with charges of all > >sorts of things that were supposedly happening when no such thing was > >happening. Perhaps you had your views twisted by folks with other > >purposes in mind. Your cousin, if that's what she really is, did you a great > >disservice for it killed this last effort to make a go of a county page > >with you as CC. > >Therefore this is your termination notice for cause from the GAGenWeb > >Project. You will be subsequently unsubbed from the State list and your > >county will be delinked. You may, if you wish appeal this to the Georgia > >Council and/or the USGenWeb Project through Ron Eason - > >rkeason@comcast.net > >and/or Jimmy Epperson - eppy@ticnet.com - Regional CC Reps. > >Tim > >This is a private note - permission is not granted to post it elsewhere. > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > >

And the reason for that Gloria is that because we now have these "guidelines" they are being used to target people personally and not used equally. CC's are being dismissed who barely are out of the guidelines, if at all, while other CC's blatantly ignore the guidelines and are never even questioned. It's fairness that we want. I don't have a personal issue with anyone, but I want fairness for ALL. Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: John Holback To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 1:50 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check our pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, we are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is Tim that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate or whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to some of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when we feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of those who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here a long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them have helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to help one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all work > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > people for the help. > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for this > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel in > different areas > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > Just my humble opinion. > > Jan Cortez > Banks County > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > rules. > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html

To be fair at this point you have to consider that most of those who have legitimate complaints are not privy to this list and can not respond to much of what is being said. I would say if you want to be fair, resub all the dismissed CC's and ASC so that they can answer some of your "responses". Most of us using this list and viewing the "defenses" have no complaint with Tim and some could care less if people are dismissed for no reason because it doesn't effect them and they do not want to be involved. We have tried in many ways to follow correct procedure in the guidelines and I can tell you that I am one who many times have voiced my complaints to the SC and am sick and tired of no responses so I will indeed go where I can have my voice/complaints heard. The point is the GaGenWeb is hurting and the reason it is hurting is that we have ignorantly set up a system in where one person has absolute power and absolute power breeds corruption. The only thing that will ever heal the GaGenWeb is to change the guidelines and give the CC's back more of their voice. Elections are vital, we need that as we do not need an SC who can just remain in a position of power and set their own "cliche" up and never have to answer to anyone. We tried to push for a change to these guidelines and that was treated as a joke by the RC's and understandbly considering the SC with total power is the chairman of the GAGenweb council. We have tried many avenues including discussion and however each of you feel, you know that our voice gets repeatedly shut down on the GaGenWeb list. I'll have to say I've always thought that this list was for any discussion pertaining to the CC's and the GAGenweb and these complaints, guidelines, petitions are all part of that. Removing and moderating people is just another sign of that ABSOLUTE POWER that most of us realize has got to end. Change for the better is needed and we will do all that we can to see that it occurs. None of us want to see all of this in our emails considering how much we have to deal with already but as a CC you owe it to all of us and all contributors to be aware of what is happening in this project. This policy of "don't say anything", "it's not my problem", "I don't want to be involved", needs to stop. We are all volunteers and regardless of how well things are going with my counties it's time we realize that if even one contributor is ignored, if even one CC is dismissed unjustifiably then we need to pay attention and work for changes. Debra Crosby

In a message dated 3/26/03 12:48:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, cristian@netonecom.net writes: > There would be a surfer for the area that you are in. I'm not sure which > county as we have 254 of them. <g> I surf the NC 1-27 area. You can find > the areas by clicking on the Committe link. Thanks Jan. I have only had it two days. No, I am not in yours. I was going to re-read the guidelines today but I've been kinf of busy. Donna http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/gagen/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~txhidalg/

I just got off the phone with Brenda Webb, my co CC. Her brother had his kidney transplant earlier this week and has had some complications today. I thought that maybe the friends she still has in GaGenWeb might like to drop her an email to ambleside@mindspring.com Donna

I may be one of the people that Tim has accused of "picking sites apart" today in one of his posts. I became curious about what was going on with GAGenWeb back in February when issues continued to come up that came up 6 - 8 months ago. So, instead of relying on one side or the other of the posts that were being made, I decided to check things out for myself. I started that by going through our TOC. A page we all take for granted. Maybe you shouldn't, go take a close look at it and then click on each county. I can't remember the exact count of our counties but think it is around 160. The second time I looked at the county pages after becoming "curiouser and curioser" I chose two points of our guidelines that are requirements for each county page. Two points which would not take a CC 10 minutes to change and upload on a site....including connection time. They were 1) a link to that county archives table of con- tents and 2) a last updated "date". Out of the total counties in Georgia, 58 of those were in violation of our guidelines on one or two of those two requirements and sometimes both of those. Don't wait on someone else to send you a list of what is wrong on which counties, go look for yourself. I doubt anyone will send you a list anyway as it might be construed in the wrong way. I did not do the checks that I did in order to cause any problems for anyone but to see if the SC and RC's were following through with what I believe is required of them by the guidelines. The guidelines state that the sites would be checked for compliance last July. I contend they never have been as a whole. I posted an email to this list two months ago asking about the committee required by USGENWEB policy to check county sites for compliance. I received NO answer to my question. I have thus assumed there is no committee other than the SC & RC's in Georgia for this purpose. Linda Blum-Barton All outgoing email and attachments are scanned by Norton AntiVirus 2002! -----Original Message----- From: Tim Stowell [mailto:tstowell@chattanooga.net] Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 10:48 AM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] Followup If you think that I should be removed from office - then vote your conscience. I will never know, this side of the grave, who voted or how. On the other side I won't care. If instead you believe these are the complaints of individuals, whose situation was handled as best one could do under the circumstances - then also vote your conscience. Of course you don't have to vote if you don't want to. For this to 'pass', 75% of you must participate and 2/3 of that 75% must approve or 50% of the Georgia CCs in order to effect a removal. Of late there has been an attempt by several of these petitioners to harass members of GAGenWeb regarding your sites. They review your pages and nitpick them. They should refer this to the RC for said region or send a kind note to the CC, instead of the condescending notes I've seen. If you get a note from one of these folks and you feel you are being harassed, please feel free to write your RC or myself with your complaints or tell them just how much you appreciate their harassment. The last I checked - GAGenWeb and assorted sites have over 60,000 links. There is no way anyone can keep all their links current all the time. Servers go down, pages disappear, hosts pass away. If you are aware of ANY files that have been swiped from your county pages without your permission and copied to the Archives, please send that information to me and/or your RC and it will be promptly dealt with. Perhaps if these folks would spend time on their own pages - their visitors would be greatly rewarded, for currently some of these are only a collection of links, which is out of the scope envisioned for the Project. After this vote is held - and the results announced - if I'm still your choice, we'll start a review of the Guidelines. Until then everything except departures and new CCs are on hold. FWIW, we currently have only 5 counties available for adoption: Evans, Jefferson, Pulaski, Webster and Worth. Tim ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links to the most popular Surname sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/

Hi Jan, I sent this message earlier, but it hasn't come through, so I am trying again. Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:44:20 -0600 Jan I'll volunteer to help you with this. Gloria are you volunteering too? <g> This is really a neat idea, & works well in Texas. It may not work here but if we never try, we'll never know! I can volunteer Brenda or Chuck Pierce to make the County of the Month graphics. <BG> They are quite talented at that. > In TX we have > what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them surf > The pages would be checked monthly, to solve > > I haven't won yet, but I keep hoping. <grin> Hang in there kid! It's a hard job sometimes, isn't it? We have 254 TX counties to look at, & over the past year it has gotten harder & harder to pick just one! Bettie <><

If we end up doing the surfing thing, I'd like to volunteer to be a "Surfer." Not 'cause I want to pick apart the sites, but because it seems like fun to see what others are doing with their pages! Whether or not there is a "County of the Month" chosen, it might be fun to "spotlight" some of the great things that CCs have done. Jeanne Arguelles Madison & Oglethorpe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 9:31 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Site Compliance & Review > There would be a surfer for the area that you are in. I'm not sure which > county as we have 254 of them. <g> I surf the NC 1-27 area. You can find > the areas by clicking on the Committe link. > > Here is the URL to look at what we do and the areas that we surf: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/surfing/ > > It just might be a fun thing for us to do in GA. > > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 9:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > cristian@netonecom.net writes: > > > > > In TX we have > > > what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them > surf > > > our area county pages, looking for compliance > > > > I think that is a great idea. If you get a chance, would you surf by my > new > > page for TX and see if I missed any of the rules. > > Donna > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > >

Hi Folks I am wearing my AB hat for this message!!!! OK, here is the first little tidbit of the procedures of how things will work as I understand it. I am copying this note to the NC and the parliamentarian so they can correct me if and when I try to tell you incorrectly!!! The procedure being used by the AB is located at http://www.usgenweb.org/official/standing-procedures.html#re, "Removal of an SC or ASC". Read this and you'll know as much as I do!!!! When the time comes, the EC will send you a password, and information on where to vote when they have things ready and you will vote much like you do for the annual elections. At this time I do not know the timeframe as to when that will be. There has been some question as to what the "present" vote means. The USGenWeb Bylaws requires for this vote to be valid that a quorum, or minimum of 75% of the CC's vote. The "present", is the same as abstain, it counts your vote towards the quorum, but will not count to the 2/3 (66%) "Yes" votes needed for passage. If you have any questions please feel to let me know. Thanks jimmy

There would be a surfer for the area that you are in. I'm not sure which county as we have 254 of them. <g> I surf the NC 1-27 area. You can find the areas by clicking on the Committe link. Here is the URL to look at what we do and the areas that we surf: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txgenweb/surfing/ It just might be a fun thing for us to do in GA. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <MFLP@aol.com> > In a message dated 3/25/03 9:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, > cristian@netonecom.net writes: > > > In TX we have > > what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them surf > > our area county pages, looking for compliance > > I think that is a great idea. If you get a chance, would you surf by my new > page for TX and see if I missed any of the rules. > Donna > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > >

In a message dated 3/25/03 9:41:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, cristian@netonecom.net writes: > In TX we have > what we call Surfer's. These people, and I happen to be one of them surf > our area county pages, looking for compliance I think that is a great idea. If you get a chance, would you surf by my new page for TX and see if I missed any of the rules. Donna

In a message dated 3/25/03 9:34:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, john2936@comcast.net writes: > As for the guidelines please tell us who is ignoring the > guidelines but please take it to the GALINA List if the list of names and > items ignored will be long. Gloria Gloria, I think Brenda Pierce just said that the RC's are going to do that. Donna

AMEN!!! I too am sick of having to put up with this hate campaign against Tim and others. I guess I am next. I have been here a while and think (as I did when they came out) that the guidelines were a big mistake. I stick with TIM. John Holback wrote: > > Jan is right and most of us have always called upon one another to check our > pages as one can stare at something for an hour and still miss errors and > omissions that someone else can catch. We need to all get back to our > pages. As Brenda said we did not have this type of problems before. There > was nothing that we could not solve and then get back to work. But there > seems to be the same ones who pick, pick and pick. so yes, we speak out, we > are not accustomed to so many who are trying to run the project like they > are accustomed to running their businesses or taking part in political and > governmental jobs. We are just family historians and do not need nor want > this constant battering of the other CCs. If it isn't Margie then it is Tim > that some of you are constantly trying to bait for an argument or debate or > whatever you call it. And I for one don't think the bickering will stop > even if you voted Tim out of office. This project is near and dear to some > of our hearts. There are some old timers that you never hear from but they > are here reading every note. They are busy with their pages and could care > less about politics and then there are some of us who will speak out when we > feel the project is being threatened and harm is being done to some of those > who have helped build this project up. Tim and Margie both have been here a > long time, since the beginning of the GAGenWeb Project and each of them have > helped it to grow. Most of us have quietly changed our pages as logos > changed, requirements changed and not fought it. We worked together to help > one another there was very little problems such as there is now. ----- > Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The Petition and Rebuttal (Groundwork) > > > I agree that all rules should be applied equally or not at all. We all > work > > within those rules to the best of our abilities. Some of us are better at > > it than others. I don't claim to be real swift at html, but I do try, and > > am more than happy to correct errors. I generally write back and thank > > people for the help. > > > > I guess what distresses me most here is that we are not perfect. None of > > us. Most CC's will correct mistakes brought to their attention willingly. > > But we can't be perfect all the time, we all have our imperfections. > > > > Maybe what we need to realize here is that we need to work together for > this > > project and also realize those imperfections, working together rather than > > arguing amongst ourselves. We need to help one another, as we all excel > in > > different areas > > > > Let's foster teamwork here and make the GAGenWeb all that it can be. > > > > Just my humble opinion. > > > > Jan Cortez > > Banks County > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <MFLP@aol.com> > > > > > > > In a message dated 3/25/03 2:25:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > > > > so you can see where most of this is coming from: > > > > > > I have said on this list...Time and time again. > > > If you are going to have rules, EVERYONE should abide by them. > > > They should be applied equally or not at all. > > > All I ask is that all people in the same project operate by the same > > rules. > > > > > > Donna Parrish > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html -- Thomas (Tom) Hammack, Jr. Gulfport, Mississippi W4WLF