Wow MK, that is impressive! It was nice you had such a cooperative sheriff. By the way, I think there is a Fed law as well. When I was still in FL, people would refer to the Fed law cuz FL didn't have a specific law to cover it (or so I was told) michele

That is not the book that I want to see. There is an old history book written by Pearl Baker. The Thomson Library doesn't have it. The Wrightsboro Foundation refuses to give me access to it. The publisher, The McDuffie County Progress, doesn't have a copy of it because they are no longer in the book printing business. hugs... michele ----- Original Message ----- From: <MFLP@aol.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:21 AM Subject: [GAGEN] McDuffie Book > This book is still under copyright > > Wrightsborough 1768, Wrightsboro 1799, McDuffie County, Georgia 1870 : > "preserving our heritage with records" / compiled by Dorothy M. Jones. > Thomson, Ga. : Wrightsboro Quaker Commuity Foundation, c1982. > 185, [56] p. : ill., maps. ; 25 cm. > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > >

Gloria, If you remove the /index.html from the URL Ben Hill comes up. So maybe you uploaded the file index.htm which might over-ride the .html version of the file. Irwin is coming up ok with the quick-link from the GAGenWeb page. Connie -----Original Message----- From: John Holback [mailto:john2936@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:00 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] Problems with Comcast Server= two counties down??? Hi, I am trying to find out what is wrong as I can't get either county to come up, Ben Hill or Irwin. When I was uploading some files this am and went to check after wards the counties were offline and I got an error message. When checking a few minutes ago same thing. So will call Comcast and ask if there are some problems with Comcast or if I have done something during the process of uploading new pages :( Gloria ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>

Thanks Donna, While I did know about their "census" sales. This is the first I've seen of them offering free searchable databases for all states, marriages, cemeteries, obituaries, etc and forms for people to submit them. ----- Original Message ----- From: MFLP@aol.com To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] New GenWeb? In a message dated 3/28/03 6:17:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, poohbos@poohbos.com writes: > Have any of you had any experience with these people? I've had several > requests to add links > to them on my Genweb pages. It appears to be Blue Roses Publishing company Keith's answer - Dec 1 2002 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GAGEN/2002-12/1038796283 ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com

There are laws in Georgia pertaining to Cemeteries. Margie -----Original Message----- From: Michele Lewis [mailto:frugalmom@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:52 AM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] the federal law Do any of you know the feneral law statute number that says no one can deny access to the cemetery even if it is on private property? michele lewis CC McDuffie Co *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus *** ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.463 / Virus Database: 262 - Release Date: 3/17/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003

This book is still under copyright Wrightsborough 1768, Wrightsboro 1799, McDuffie County, Georgia 1870 : "preserving our heritage with records" / compiled by Dorothy M. Jones. Thomson, Ga. : Wrightsboro Quaker Commuity Foundation, c1982. 185, [56] p. : ill., maps. ; 25 cm.

Have any of you had any experience with these people? I've had several requests to add links to them on my Genweb pages. It appears to be Blue Roses Publishing company and seeing the usgen in the address made me wonder about them. Seems as if it's another site setting up to compete with the UsGenweb. I've checked the links and can't really find any records on there as if it's a very new set up. Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Mc Coulskey Brooks To: poohbos@poohbos.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:45 AM Subject: Tallapoosa Co. ALGenweb Hello, Would you please consider adding my links listed below to your web site? Thank you very much! Mary Wedding Bells http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/uswedbells.html United States Birth & Death Records http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/usbirthdeath.html United States Obituary Records http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/usobitrec.html United States Cemetery Records http://sweetblueroses.tripod.com/usgen/uscemrec.html

In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:52:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, frugalmom@earthlink.net writes: << Do any of you know the feneral law statute number that says no one can deny access to the cemetery even if it is on private property? >> It is a state law and can be found in the Georgia Code. I suggest that you get sworn depositions as to the exact location, consult old DOT maps to see if it was shown, do a transcript of all the deeds that might mention the cemetery or not. When you accumulate your evidence, then the place to take it is either the State Court Solicitor or the District Attorney. You will also need a deposition from the person who was denied access.

In a message dated 3/28/03 10:29:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, TooFem@AOL.com writes: > and inclose it with yours. (and more, I'm sure) Oye vey Gevalt - I am literate - really I am. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:32:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, frugalmom@earthlink.net writes: << Should I go to McCorkles Nursery and confront them? >> No, go to the courthouse, look up the land description and back track it thru the deeds for previous owners. Put what information you can find on a webpage and list it under lost cemetery. If you find the cemetery mentioned in one of the deeds, email me back. Donna

Excellent information and suggestions, MK. Be reminded, Michelle and everyone, that the Georgia Archives is closing today for one month in order to accomplish the move to the new building. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 10:11 AM 3/28/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Dot Jones <A >HREF="http://www.ci.thomson.ga.us/County/Minutes/commission/12-04-02.htm">s >poke</A> before the McDuffie County Board of Commissioners on 4 Dec >2002 - while her address is not in the online minutes (that I can find) if >the meetings are handled normally - her address will be in the minutes. > >And - one of your pages has her addy - I looked it up and it is listed as >James Alva Jones in Thomson > >Going to the August Chronicle sounds like a great idea - but not to "expose" >the foundation. Perhaps a better way to approach this would be contacting >them to run an article on your County site (free publicity) - if/when someone >shows interest in doing so - you can work a gentle complaint into the >interview. > >It humors me that Mrs. Jones is the head of the McDuffie Historical Society >(your dilemma is the prime example of this being a hysterical society) and >the Wrightsboro Foundation) and has her thumb on all of the research. > >The other way is for you to become involved with the Foundation - but come in >through the back door - not via Mrs. Jones. > >And lastly, it is privately held - not much you can do to force the situation >except to get the word out - but you are going to have to walk a very thin >rope. > >I don't know if this is "legal" on our pages but you might consider doing >this: Write Mrs. Jones a formal request - not mentioning your prior >conversation..... enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope. If she says >the same thing in her letter back to you (and being a southern woman of that >certain age she will write back) I would then put something on my page that >lists the documents, records, etc. held by Wrightsboro Foundation and then >say unfortunately these records are not available - link it to an image of >her letter. > >After you have her letter, you can write the organization that has made this >a Historical Landmark - and tell them how concerned you are that the public >doesn't have access to the records - I would get the guy who called her to >write a letter too - and inclose it with yours. > >This brings us back to the copyright laws - are privately held public >documents under copyright laws. Email the Ga Archives and find out! > >MK Harrison ><A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> ><A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> ><A >HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceC >ode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> >I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, >assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth >world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:25:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, frugalmom@earthlink.net writes: << What do you think I should do? >> 1/Leave her alone. 2/ Work thru your mail list and get people interested in donating what ever bit of history they might have. 3/ Look through the Library of Congress and see if they have the books you are interested in - if you will send the titles to the list, there might be other copies available. 4/ Make sure all of your census abstractions are online, Microfilm is availaable many places. 5/Court books (Probate and Superior) are available at the Courthouse and on microfilm Start there and then we can give you more suggestions. Donna.

In a message dated 3/28/2003 8:25:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, gagenie@bellsouth.net writes: << Oh me... now my feelings are hurt. <Gbg> wjile <rofl> >> We'll kiss them and make them better :) Wyndell, you have always done a great job and you have been there from the beginning. I know you came in and reworked the page after Scott left and it looks good again. Everyone should look. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacherok/ The way I remember the frames issue was 1/ that all peoples browsers couldn''t handle them 2/ that it wasn''t directed at any individual CC 3/ that that wasn't why Scott left (at least not from pressure from the CCs) We had another discussion over pdf files - again the browser issue. Donna

Dot Jones <A HREF="http://www.ci.thomson.ga.us/County/Minutes/commission/12-04-02.htm">spoke</A> before the McDuffie County Board of Commissioners on 4 Dec 2002 - while her address is not in the online minutes (that I can find) if the meetings are handled normally - her address will be in the minutes. And - one of your pages has her addy - I looked it up and it is listed as James Alva Jones in Thomson Going to the August Chronicle sounds like a great idea - but not to "expose" the foundation. Perhaps a better way to approach this would be contacting them to run an article on your County site (free publicity) - if/when someone shows interest in doing so - you can work a gentle complaint into the interview. It humors me that Mrs. Jones is the head of the McDuffie Historical Society (your dilemma is the prime example of this being a hysterical society) and the Wrightsboro Foundation) and has her thumb on all of the research. The other way is for you to become involved with the Foundation - but come in through the back door - not via Mrs. Jones. And lastly, it is privately held - not much you can do to force the situation except to get the word out - but you are going to have to walk a very thin rope. I don't know if this is "legal" on our pages but you might consider doing this: Write Mrs. Jones a formal request - not mentioning your prior conversation..... enclose a self-addressed, stamped envelope. If she says the same thing in her letter back to you (and being a southern woman of that certain age she will write back) I would then put something on my page that lists the documents, records, etc. held by Wrightsboro Foundation and then say unfortunately these records are not available - link it to an image of her letter. After you have her letter, you can write the organization that has made this a Historical Landmark - and tell them how concerned you are that the public doesn't have access to the records - I would get the guy who called her to write a letter too - and inclose it with yours. This brings us back to the copyright laws - are privately held public documents under copyright laws. Email the Ga Archives and find out! MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

Michele, It is a law in Georgia that no one is denied access to any cemetery. One of my familial cemeteries (Old Smyrna Cemetery) is in Gratis, Walton County, GA - on wooded land owned by Georgia Scientific, with no public access. A house next door's yard (with big, mean looking dogs :-O) was the easiest way to enter the property; however, they never answered their door - nor did they answer phone calls. Sooooooo I wrote the Sheriff of Walton County. He told me we could have access anytime - day or not. We planned a <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com/Html/OldSmyrnaCemetery.htm">family cleanup</A> thing - not only did he provide me with a letter granting us "permission" to enter the said properties, he also gave me his private number in case of any altercations, etc. So - contact your Sheriff or if the community is incorporated - their police - they will be happy to help you! MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein

Do any of you know the feneral law statute number that says no one can deny access to the cemetery even if it is on private property? michele lewis CC McDuffie Co *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

I have another little dilemma I need your advice on. McDuffie is a very rural county and there are family cemeteries out on private property all over the place. The best way to find these is by knocking on doors. I was out on Luckey's Bridge Road when I stopped at a house and talked to man that told me an interesting story. He told me that approx 20 years ago, there was a man that was plowing in the field across from his house and he hit a vault. It was the grave of Henry Goings. The man stopped and then some people came out from Dearing including a pastor of a church. They removed the bones, looked at them, then put them back in the hole. The man plowed over it. This man says there were several graves out there. There was also another plot back further in that same field that is also gone. The man I talked to told me that he went to the grandfather of the current owner of McCorkle's Nursery. (The field was purchased by McCorkles Nursery shortly after this incident). The grandfather of the current owner acknowledged the presence of the plowed over cemetery and said that he would restore the cemetery and put a fence around it. It is now 20 years later, McCorkles still owns the property and the grandson is now running it. I had a man in Dearing confirm this story. He too knew about it and he is not related to the first man that I spoke to. I have been trying to locate any researchers researching the Goings family and have had no response. I do plan on interviewing more local residents to see if I can figure out who all was buried there. My question is... Should I go to McCorkles Nursery and confront them? Hugs... Michele Lewis GaGenWeb Coordinator McDuffie Co, GA *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

I have a bit of a dilemma and I really need y'alls input on how I should handle this. There is an private organization in McDuffie Co called the "Wrightsboro Foundation" This organization is supposed to preserve the history of Wrightsboro which is a very old Quaker community in northern McDuffie Co. They have restored buildings and have placed informative historical markers in Wrightsboro. It is governed by a board. The chairman of the board is a lady by the name of Dot Jones. Dot Jones is a very diagreeable person. I had a lengthy phone conversation with her the other day and I was completely flabergasted. Her philosophy of genealogy is that "If you want to know anything about Wrightsboro, you need to come to Wrightsboro and do your research here." She is completely opposed to any public dissemination of information regarding Wrightsboro. She is particularly opposed to the internet. When I tried to explain to her that the philosphy of genealogist in general is to share information. She flatly disagreed. When I explained that there are genealogists all over the world that have ties to Wrightsboro and they just can't travel to Wrightsboro to do their research she basically said too bad. We will not give out any information. She said that they do offer a booklet that can be purchased (It is a generic sort of history thing). She practically threatened me if I put any Wrightsboro info on the internet other than the Foundation's address and phone number. Here is where it gets good... The foundation has many historical holdings. They have the personal hand written diaries of Joseph Maddock who founded Wrightsboro. They have the only known copies of an old cemetery book that was witten many many years ago. (By the way, she is VERY opposed to me going out and surveying cemeteries and placing the info on USGenWeb archives!) They also have a long out of print history book that is not available anywhere. These holdings are AT DOT JONE'S HOUSE! There is no Wrightsboro Foundation building. All anyone has is a P.O. Box, we don't even know her phsyical address. One of my husband's distant cousins contacted Dot Jones to see about coming to look at 3 paintings that had been done of Wrightsboro. They were painted by this man's cousin. The Wrightsboro Foundation commissioned him to paint them. She told this man that he was not allowed to see them. They only bring them out once a year at the Wrightsboro Homecoming. When he asked when Homescoming was, she stated she couldn't tell him that. This man contacted one of the board members and he was visably afraid of this woman. She said "We are just waiting for her to die." How should I handle this? I am seriously considering going to the Augusta Chronicle. I would like to expose the Wrightsboro Foundation. Another possibility is contacting the govermental agency that is in charge of designated historical places. Three buildings in Wrightsboro have been so designated. I could go to all the board members individually and see if they would call a board meeting to vote her out but I don't think that will work because at least one board member is scared of her. This woman is hoarding important historical documents at her house that belong to the "Wrightsboro Foundation." They do not belong to her personally. I think the public should be made aware of what is going on. What do you think I should do? michele lewis GaGenWeb Coordinator McDuffie Co, GA *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

At 11:49 AM 3/27/03 -0500, you wrote: >The next item that I mistook, and again my apologies to Scott, and not to >hurt anyone's feelings, Scott's site was Cherokee where he won county of the >month (1997 National Genealogist Society Conference, Valley Forge, PA >The GAGenWeb's Cherokee County Georgia Page was named as one of the 8 best >counties in the USGenWeb Project > & > Georgia GenWeb's Spotlight >County of the Month for April 1997) > Oh me... now my feelings are hurt. <Gbg> wjile <rofl> Brenda..... Cherokee was under my watchful eye when the site won that award in 1997. Not that it matters at all who gets the credit, just as long as the data is presented to our vistors. But, I will tell you that it almost "popped my buttons" when I received word that they had chosen the Cherokee site as one of the 8 best, out of all that were online. >It was pointed out to me that he was nominated by me for for the last county >of the month contest for Polk and Don McHugh's Morgan site, but one of the >persons that reminded me, that he "blasted it down", .... and apparently we >did not have a county of the month from that point on?? That is at least 2 >other people's versions, so with the three of us telling this I am sure we >will get to the facts eventually. <I would laugh, but at this point I >can't>. But I guess this actually proves at least one of my points I was >trying to make ... that at least one person would not vote for a site with >frames. Fair? Equitable? Frames are not real good for some folks. I for one thought it was great at first, but realized it was not. > >So again, my point to all of this was not to pick on anyone, not to mistell >something but to be FAIR and EQUITABLE and have a level playing field for >all. I am also sorry that I rained on the parade, I would hope ithis could >be something that would help put GA back together again. As it has been >pointed out to me nothing can be perfect from the get-go, and should be a >work in progress. So my apologies to all, but moreover to David and to >Scott. It was not my intention to make either of them feel badly, Seems a lot of misconceptions have been developed about the project and the guidelines. As one who worked with the council on the guidelines, I know that they were meant to only better the project. Not tear it up. Most of the CC's do a wonderful job. They work hard getting data and other information on their sites. However; there were/are (and I am not sure if they are still with the project) some who seemed to just want their 'names in lights', so to speak. They had a site, and that was it. No data to amount to anything. And they would not work with anyone to get data placed on their sites. Several tried, all were turned down. There were some that were not much more than commerical sites. Think most of those are now gone. I know there are lots of personalities within the project. That is good. At least it ain't all plain vanilla. <g> There is still a need for some sites to be upgrade. Most are probably within the guidelines. But some are still in need of data to go on the sites. All sites can't have page after page of data, because a lot of counties just don't have the records to put online. Speaking only for myself, when I was CC of Cherokee, my desire was to put as much data online as I could. And I 'think' I did a fair job. Not as much as I wanted, but due to limitations, I did the best I could. Time is a big constraint for a lot of people. They have more on their plates than they can say grace over. But each person needs to work at getting what they can do online. I know the hardships of trying to get someone to help do any of the work. I tried to get help with the 1870 census of Cherokee County transcription. One member of the mailing list could not help, but purchased the roll of film for me to work with. That was wonderful. Not to mention helpful. I scanned the images, put them online where they could be accessed, and asked for volunteers to take a page, a district, a 'whatever', and help abstract the data and I would put it on line. I could count on my fingers the number of people who 'said' they would help. Then I can count on one hand 'those' who actually did any work. Some did more that otheres. The sad thing is, the abstract is still not done. Getting help is not the easiest thing in the world, at least not in the world of GAGenWeb. If a site does not have as much as someone elses, then we need to stop and think about why that could be. Is it because the CC does not want to do? If so, then they need to be asked to step down. Is it because they do not have the resourses? Then we need to look at helping locate resourses for them. Is it because they do not have time to do it? Well...... I got some ideas here, but maybe I should not speak to those. <gbg> I have been here in the project almost from day one. I have worked with two SC's. One real close. There have been times in this project that you could not get an answer from the leadership. There were times when folks needed answers and the SC was no where to be found, or if they were found, would respond. when Tim came into the position, he made a change to the RC system. If has worked well to a point. This system allows some relief to Tim. The system is not perfect. Don't think it ever will. The RC's have to walk a fine line in their dealings. It is so easy to upset the cc's. <gbg> When I am doing what I feel is my best, along comes the RC and just nit-picks me to death. <g> They just don't realize what I go thought. <all said with tongue in check> The project is in the worst case of tail-spin I have seen. We are trying to pull in seperate directions, instead of trying to find a common ground, and make this once again the best project in the entire USGenWeb Project. I know that Tim has his problems, as we all do. But the project is being torn from all sides. Lets step back, and take a few days to let the dust settle. If the vote is coming, then let it come. Make your decision as to how you feel and vote that conviction. Once the votes are counted and we see what we see..... then each of us must make a decision as to what we as individuals want to do. If Tim is confirmed, then lets try to find a common ground to work to and from. I have always said that the CC's have some of the best ideas, and to let them speak. But there needs to be order about it. I don't think we have much order at the moment. That said, and I think it is maybe more than I intended to say.... I remain hopeful for the return of the great GAGenWeb Project. Wyndell Taylor

In a message dated 3/28/03 7:25:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, poohbos@poohbos.com writes: > This is the first I've seen of them offering free searchable > databases for all states, marriages, cemeteries, obituaries, etc and forms > for people to submit them. The email I questioned back then gave the impression that they were going to be offering the material from the GA Archives on CD's which is what prompted me to ask at that time. I wrote Tim and Keith. Maybe someone else will know more. Donna