Thanks, Richard. I'm sure you meant to mention Donna Parrish and Jan Cortez, too. They offered to serve before I did. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 05:33 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >And when the call is made for volunteers, I will ensure that your name is at >the top of the list. Thank you for being willing to give of yourself and >your time to this most important endeavour. > >Richard > > > >On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:55:02 -0400, Michael Saffold wrote > > I would like to serve on the committee. > > Vivian Price Saffold > > Meriwether County > > 3570 Hildon Circle > > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find >info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

I appreciate the volunteerism here today. I am overhwelmed and am thrilled to have been proven wrong. However, the call has not yet been sent out for volunteers, nor was I authorized to put the call out. I stated that we would call for volunteers AFTER the election has been completed. Subject to, and without waiving the foregoing, I will lobby our SC for permission to form the Committee now, that we may begin this very important task. Please feel free to continue to volunteer. If more than six people volunteer, then I would be forced to select from the list of those who have volunteered. I would prefer not to have to do that because that might upset some people, and I am not looking to do that. I have the following who have volunteered: Vivian, Jan, Jacki, Debra, Derek, Donna and myself. So, we need at least one more person. I do not want to limit the volunteers, only the actual number on the committee, as too many on the committee would make an already onerous task impossible. What I would be willing to do, however, is assign one volunteer to handle each region of the state (meaning we would need eight total volunteers), and have them more or less act as "representatives", seeking ideas from their constituency and bringing them to the committee. For those in the Coastal Region, I have noticed that only one of your has volunteered (hint, hint, hint). <grins> Alright, so I am gunna favor my own people. I know them. I respect them. I enjoy working with them. (They are the BEST region in the State project, afterall). Richard

I went in order of having seen volunteers. I saw Jan's and placed hers on the list. Richard On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 18:38:39 -0400, Michael Saffold wrote > Thanks, Richard. I'm sure you meant to mention Donna Parrish and Jan > Cortez, too. They offered to serve before I did. > Vivian Price Saffold > Meriwether County > > At 05:33 PM 4/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: > >And when the call is made for volunteers, I will ensure that your name is at > >the top of the list. Thank you for being willing to give of yourself and > >your time to this most important endeavour. > > > >Richard > > > > > > > >On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:55:02 -0400, Michael Saffold wrote > > > I would like to serve on the committee. > > > Vivian Price Saffold > > > Meriwether County > > > 3570 Hildon Circle > > > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > >info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html > > 3570 Hildon Circle > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- L@rootsweb.com>

Derek, I will make sure that you are fourth or fifth on the list (I lost count already) of volunteers. BTW - did I state that I volunteer, too? Richard On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 17:10:12 -0300, Derek Nichols wrote > >Richard and Wyndell > > > >I will stay and volunteer to be on the guidelines committee. > > I as well publicly offer myself as a volunteer for any > committee/tasks that needs volunteers. > > I believe that I have shown with my stand against attacking former > CCs on GA County Sites that I have the best interests of this > GAGenWeb at heart. > > Derek Nichols > Echols County, GA > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm

Donna, I have previously challenged anyone to give me a date on which a grievance was filed with any of the RC's (who make up the Council). If a grievance was filed, please advise me of the *exact date* that I may investigate this. If, in fact, a grievance was filed that was not submitted to the Council, then there is a serious problem with that part of the process - one that I would want to fix instanter. So, in order to help me with this, I again state that, if a grievance with the Council was filed, please advise me of the exact date on which it was filed and with WHOM it was filed, so that we know what part of the process to fix. Otherwise, let's work the entire problem and solve the entire problem. Donna - you may want to adjust the clock on your computer, as your email is being postmarked several hours before it is sent, which makes it difficult to read because it was hidden among emails I had previously read. Richard On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:22:44 EDT, MFLP wrote > In a message dated 4/8/03 11:12:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > mannannan@maclyr.com writes: > > At no time was a grievance brought to the GaGenWeb Council. Had there been > a > > grievance brought before the Council (which the guidelines require), then > we > > might have a different outcome today. > > Now you have me wondering why the Board didn't get them. > > Donna > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html

Jan, Your name is third on the list of volunteers, even though it is against my better judgment <grins>. For those who don't know and can't tell, I am kidding. Jan and I go way back with this picking on eachother - at least to the NC election last year when she gave me my nickname. And may I add that I am *thrilled* to see the volunteerism going on. I certainly hope that it is something that will continue beyond today. Richard On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:08:29 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote > I will also volunteer to help on the guidelines committee. I only > wish that this had been done before it came to the situation we have > here in GA. > > I see a petition for removal as a last resort. Maybe its being an election > administrator for 17 years that makes me feel that way.........<sigh> > > Jan Cortez > Banks County > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jackij@chesapeake.net> > > > From Richard: > > > It is my firm hope that we can get through this storm, re-establish > ourselves > > > as a project, and then get on with business. > > > > > > We will seek volunteers from which to form a committee to review and > revise > > > the Guidelines. > > > > I will volunteer. > > > > Jacki > > Colquitt > > County > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This email message was sent using web-based email services provided by > Chesapeake.Net > > Internet Services. > > http://www.chesapeake.net/ > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/

Jacki, Thank you for volunteering. I will make sure that your name is the second name on the list of volunteers. Richard On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 19:03:44 GMT, jackij wrote > >From Richard: > > It is my firm hope that we can get through this storm, re-establish ourselves > > as a project, and then get on with business. > > > > We will seek volunteers from which to form a committee to review and revise > > the Guidelines. > > I will volunteer. > > Jacki > Colquitt > County > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > This email message was sent using web-based email services provided > by Chesapeake.Net Internet Services. http://www.chesapeake.net/ > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com

And when the call is made for volunteers, I will ensure that your name is at the top of the list. Thank you for being willing to give of yourself and your time to this most important endeavour. Richard On Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:55:02 -0400, Michael Saffold wrote > I would like to serve on the committee. > Vivian Price Saffold > Meriwether County > 3570 Hildon Circle > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information.

>Richard and Wyndell > >I will stay and volunteer to be on the guidelines committee. I as well publicly offer myself as a volunteer for any committee/tasks that needs volunteers. I believe that I have shown with my stand against attacking former CCs on GA County Sites that I have the best interests of this GAGenWeb at heart. Derek Nichols Echols County, GA

Is there anyway that the higher ups at USGenWeb can handle this problem? I do not think it is being handled properly at the State level. I am curious to know if the USGenWeb people know what is going on here in GA. michele lewis McDuffie Co *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

<A HREF="http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/default.asp">Click here: Main Archives Launching Screen for Patrons to Search Database</A> I noticed that many of the "brick walls" listed in the meet and greets had ties to SC (which I find nearly impossible to research on the web). Thought you guys would find this link useful - just got it via another list I am on. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein Copyright © 2003

At 03:55 PM 4/8/03 EDT, you wrote: >19. GAGEN Email List. >All members of GAGenWeb are required to be subscribed to either the GAGEN-L >mailing list or the GAGEN-D mailing list (which is a digest version of the >GAGEN-L mailing list). Certain exceptions may be made for Co-CCs and Asst. >CCs. Acceptable rules of decorum are required on this list. Failure to obey >common courtesy by harassing others, defaming others, or personally attacking >another member on the list may subject the offender to loss of posting >privileges or dismissal from GAGenWeb for a repeated pattern. Donna, I am taging onto you message here.... so don't take it that I am 'shooting' at you. <gbg> This list is a requirment for being a cc. This list should be used as a vehicle to carry on the business of GAGenWeb. I know that it has become a 'shooting gallery' at times in the past, and people have begged off of it. But..... you need to know what is going on with the project. Maybe you don't like all the politics envolved. You do need to be aware of what is happening and when it is happening. There are those who feel that an error was made in judgement on the removal of the cc's. If that was not put on a public form, and you were made aware of it, then you may find yourself facing something simiular. Politics are not fun, or at least not to me... <g> but I like to keep up with what is happening so I can keep the pols on their toes. If people think you are not watching them, they will try to pull things that they shouldn't. So. lets keep the 'management' on their toes. Let them know we are watching. They will be much better for it. <g> Wyndell Taylor > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > >

At 01:33 PM 4/8/03 -0500, you wrote: >You have correctly cited the section that creates the right of appeal to the >Council. Many of you may remember a similar grievance having been filed last >year. I can not go into details about the deliberations. What I can say is >that, while we did uphold the decisions of the RC and the SC, it was very >close. We almost did not. In fact, we almost issued admonitiions to people. If the cc's could have known the work, tearing out of the hair, the crying, and all the other 'stuff' that the committee went thru on that particular decision, I don't think they would be so quick to judge. My archives show some 933 emails pertaining to the decision made in this case. However..... having said all that to defend that decision, I do not know all the background on the other incidents that brought all this forward. I understand the need for information to be contained within a committee, and not all released to the public. It is good to see the ones who want to volunteer to work on a guidelines committee. Since I am not a member of the council, I can not say what this group has in mind. But I hope that they take this opportunity to use the cc's to form some committee's to work on some of our problems. I feel that this would show that there is not a big underhanded effort to abuse, and misuse the cc's. > >However, in order for the grievance to go to the NC and the AB, the state >remedies must be exhausted. The state remedies were not exhausted. To Tim and the RC's: Make an effort to use some of the cc's to help improve the project. I know that each of you have a lot to do, and could use some help.

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In a message dated 4/8/03 3:09:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cristian@netonecom.net writes: > Maybe its being an election > administrator for 17 years that makes me feel that way.........<sigh> Checking all those petition signer signatures against the original enrollment card is a pain isn't it. Donna

Well said. Jacki Colquitt County Coordinator > Fellow GAGenWeb Coordinators, > > The upcoming vote was precipitated by a petition from some GAGenWeb county > coordinators who allege specific transgressions on the part of the state > coordinator. However, I believe there are much broader issues involved and > much more at stake. > > Our Georgia guidelines have proven to be seriously flawed, placing all > control over the project in the hands of the state coordinator and the > council, with no mandate for the governing body to accept any suggestion or > proposal from the membership (county coordinators). > > Thus, the upcoming vote also addresses two questions: > > 1. Is the current state coordinator willing to allow *meaningful* reform of > the guidelines to include (but not limited to) regular elections, terms and > term limits for all council members (including the state coordinator), as > well as a mechanism for member-initiated amendments? > > 2. Given the turmoil of the past few months, can the current state > coordinator lead this project toward a more productive future, in which it > is governed in an open manner conducive to complete member participation? > > As to voting, I take my citizenship in this project seriously. It is my > right, my responsibility and my privilege to vote. Not voting simply is not > an option. > > Respectfully, > Vivian Price Saffold > Meriwether County Coordinator ------------------------------------------------------------------ This email message was sent using web-based email services provided by Chesapeake.Net Internet Services. http://www.chesapeake.net/

I will also volunteer to help on the guidelines committee. I only wish that this had been done before it came to the situation we have here in GA. I see a petition for removal as a last resort. Maybe its being an election administrator for 17 years that makes me feel that way.........<sigh> Jan Cortez Banks County ----- Original Message ----- From: <jackij@chesapeake.net> > From Richard: > > It is my firm hope that we can get through this storm, re-establish ourselves > > as a project, and then get on with business. > > > > We will seek volunteers from which to form a committee to review and revise > > the Guidelines. > > I will volunteer. > > Jacki > Colquitt > County > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > This email message was sent using web-based email services provided by Chesapeake.Net > Internet Services. > http://www.chesapeake.net/ > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >

That's absolutely true...the Rabun Co., GAGenWeb records page is just links, but you were wrong in saying that they all are Archives links. There's a reason the Rabun County site is set up in that manner: the GAGenWeb bylaws encourage copyright violation of the outgoing CC's material (I argued and voted against that particular bylaw). When that measure was voted in, I removed my personal material, leaving only information that I feel is necessary for the county site, such as addresses, books, etc. Many of the links you'll find on the records site are to my personal site, the rest to the Archives or other sites around the Internet...where ever I found pertinent records, that's what I link to. I am not the only CC who has removed their personal research from the county sites, either, and most likely for the very same reasons. What I said to you was said in private. If I had meant for the whole list to see it, I certainly would've posted it there. A personal attack on the list by you against me was completely uncalled for, and unprofessional to boot. In the future, if you have a problem with me, I suggest that you take it up in private, because you will not like what I have to say if you pull a personal conflict onto the list again. >From: John Holback <john2936@comcast.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GAGEN] Your Welcome....common sense is sometimes better than a >high iq >Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 15:12:09 -0400 > > > >Dawn Watson said: > >Virginia and her staff...Horrors!...just so they could take over my county >pages. > >Folks go look for yourself...Dawn's page for Rabun is just a lot of >links...there is not content...just a page that serves the >Archives...Gloria > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I would like to serve on the committee. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

In a message dated 4/8/03 2:11:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mannannan@maclyr.com writes: > We will seek volunteers from which to form a committee to review and revise > the Guidelines Richard and Wyndell I will stay and volunteer to be on the guidelines committee. Donna Parrish