Hi Gloria, Yes, the way you state it is fine. I was talking about CC's who never contacted the contributor for permission to post the materials. Kim >From: John Holback <john2936@comcast.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad ---ssooooooo >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:26:00 -0400 > >RE: Kim's message...if a CC contacts a contributor and the contributor >gives >the CC written permission to use the material which the contributor sent to >the Archives then that is o.k. There is nothing wrong with that and the >Archivist have had no problems with contacting contributors who post on the >message boards and the mail list...they were told to subscribe to the mail >list and contact people who would submit material. Go to the archived >messages for the Archives_L and see where they are advised to use that >method to obtain records. So what then is wrong with we CCs contacting >Contributors and doing the same thing? In my case I contacted a >contributor >who had me do the proof reading on a census schedule for Irwin County and >then I sent the material back to him but had a copy of the entire census >transcription. When I obtained his written permission to use the census >schedules on the county site I placed it there...and that is not in any way >stealing material from the archives...that was something that I actually >assisted in by being the proof reader....Gloria >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and >make >it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, >outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials >removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I >for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see >more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those >files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole >reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the >1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator >had >no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying >to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will >be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When >I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages >to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and >I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our >regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. >Most >of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to >provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular >person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 >cemeteries >in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be >a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great >map >of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives >because >it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND >the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed >to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. 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RE: Kim's message...if a CC contacts a contributor and the contributor gives the CC written permission to use the material which the contributor sent to the Archives then that is o.k. There is nothing wrong with that and the Archivist have had no problems with contacting contributors who post on the message boards and the mail list...they were told to subscribe to the mail list and contact people who would submit material. Go to the archived messages for the Archives_L and see where they are advised to use that method to obtain records. So what then is wrong with we CCs contacting Contributors and doing the same thing? In my case I contacted a contributor who had me do the proof reading on a census schedule for Irwin County and then I sent the material back to him but had a copy of the entire census transcription. When I obtained his written permission to use the census schedules on the county site I placed it there...and that is not in any way stealing material from the archives...that was something that I actually assisted in by being the proof reader....Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > Hi Liz, > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make it > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials removed > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > information available to researchers. > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for > one don't like it. > > Kim Gordon > Clayton & Habersham CC > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has > >a > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > >addition to > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > >them if > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > >marriages- > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > >from > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, > >I can > >proceed to develop others. > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed > >the > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > >for > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > >RESEARCHERS, not > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > >census > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no > >idea > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > >retire > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > >the > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records > >to be > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > >desire > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > >and > >state coordinator. > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of > >them > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > >the > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > >archived > >files. > > > >Liz Robertson > >Coordinator > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites > >that > >are mostly links... > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > >info > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > >and I > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature > >of > >the archives handles that. > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > >McDuffie > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not > >doing > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in > >less > >than a month. > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > >cemeteries I > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > >could > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > >accessible to > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the > >info > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > >part > >of it. > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > >Michele Lewis > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > >example, > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > >anymore > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it > >is > >not searchable. > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > >which I > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > >important. > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers > >so > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > >web > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > >be one > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > >info on > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm >

When a CC links to the actual files which are in the Archives and they by pass the main Archives link for that county archives site isn't that bending the rules? wasn't there some complaints from some of the Archivist that CCs needed to link to the main page for that County Archives site? If that is the case seems that McDuffie County is not in compliance as there is no link to the Archives that I can see other than links to the pages within the archives where the records are...and you can not get to the archives from that page you must go back to the McDuffie site and leave the McDuffie site to go to the GAGenWeb to find a link for the GAGenWeb Archives...So what say you Archivist. If all of our material is in the Archives can we bypass your County pages and deep link to the records by passing the main Archives pages? Seems some of doing just that and they are the ones who seem to be happy with placing their material in your Archives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > Hi Liz, > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make it > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials removed > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > information available to researchers. > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for > one don't like it. > > Kim Gordon > Clayton & Habersham CC > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has > >a > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > >addition to > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > >them if > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > >marriages- > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > >from > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, > >I can > >proceed to develop others. > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed > >the > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > >for > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > >RESEARCHERS, not > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > >census > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no > >idea > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > >retire > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > >the > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records > >to be > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > >desire > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > >and > >state coordinator. > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of > >them > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > >the > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > >archived > >files. > > > >Liz Robertson > >Coordinator > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites > >that > >are mostly links... > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > >info > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > >and I > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature > >of > >the archives handles that. > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > >McDuffie > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not > >doing > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in > >less > >than a month. > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > >cemeteries I > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > >could > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > >accessible to > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the > >info > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > >part > >of it. > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > >Michele Lewis > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > >example, > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > >anymore > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it > >is > >not searchable. > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > >which I > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > >important. > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers > >so > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > >web > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > >be one > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > >info on > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm >

Dawn has raised a very good and very valid point. Thank you. Well said. Richard On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:27:24 -0500, Dawn Watson wrote > There is one argument that I've never heard anyone mention when > debating the place of the Archives within the GAGenWeb Project as a > whole, and that is the advantages of having material presented in > plain text, as opposed to material presented in HTML (particularly > if using tables and frames). There are certain browsers that still > cannot read tables and frames correctly. Most county sites use both > to format almost every record (I am just as guilty as anyone else). > > We tend to forget that there are certain segments of the population > who cannot access our sites because of these problems. I'm not just > talking about people with slow or outdated browsers. From what I can > tell, the computer programs used by the blind to read web sites have > a hard time reading tables. Of course, this may have changed in the > past few years as technology evolves to meet the need. Still, this > is a valid point...county web sites are often complicated and > graphically challenging, making them hard for some people to > navigate through. > > My solution to these problems was to streamline my pages, making > them as simple as possible, AND to place text versions of HTML > documents in the Archives. I don't feel like it's a waste of space. > Rather, it provides an alternate method of viewing the material for > those who cannot (or prefer not to) read material in table-and-frame > form. > > Sincerely, > Dawn Watson > CC/Rabun Co., GAGenWeb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights > at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html

Hi Liz, I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make it look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials removed from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the information available to researchers. This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for one don't like it. Kim Gordon Clayton & Habersham CC >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has >a >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In >addition to >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain >them if >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - >marriages- >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files >from >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, >I can >proceed to develop others. > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed >the >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason >for >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL >RESEARCHERS, not >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 >census >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no >idea >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I >retire >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to >the >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records >to be >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I >desire >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional >and >state coordinator. > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of >them >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide >the >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and >archived >files. > >Liz Robertson >Coordinator >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites >that >are mostly links... > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of >info >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person >and I >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature >of >the archives handles that. > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the >McDuffie >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not >doing >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in >less >than a month. > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the >cemeteries I >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I >could >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and >accessible to >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the >info >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a >part >of it. > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > >Michele Lewis >McDuffie Co, GA > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For >example, >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence >anymore >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it >is >not searchable. > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people >which I >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very >important. > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers >so >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the >web >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to >be one >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The >info on >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that >people can find the info they need. > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this >list! > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

I handle it by providing a link to the Archives main page and by linking directly to the file that I am making available through my pages. I have never had any complaints from my Archives person about this. Of course, I also ask people to send things to her AND to me for contribution purposes as it creates a second copy - a back up, if you will, in the event that I ever surrender my page and my successor chooses not to use the material that is there. Richard On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:20:00 -0400, John Holback wrote > When a CC links to the actual files which are in the Archives and > they by pass the main Archives link for that county archives site > isn't that bending the rules? wasn't there some complaints from some > of the Archivist that CCs needed to link to the main page for that > County Archives site? If that is the case seems that McDuffie > County is not in compliance as there is no link to the Archives that > I can see other than links to the pages within the archives where > the records are...and you can not get to the archives from that page > you must go back to the McDuffie site and leave the McDuffie site to > go to the GAGenWeb to find a link for the GAGenWeb Archives...So > what say you Archivist. If all of our material is in the Archives > can we bypass your County pages and deep link to the records by > passing the main Archives pages? Seems some of doing just that and > they are the ones who seem to be happy with placing their material > in your Archives. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make > it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials > removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives > has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the > files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had > no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these > records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most > of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web > sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search > feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am > not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries > in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using > the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map > of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because > it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so > that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? 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No one should ever take something from the Archives and present it as their own work. That is outright theft of intellectual property. If you see something in the Archives that you like, then you LINK to it (and note that it is a link to the Archives). Richard On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:56:39 -0400, kim gordon wrote > Hi Liz, > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > against them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the > information and make it look like their own? I'm not talking about > just linking to them, outright stealing and thinking it's ok to do > so. We can't have our materials removed from the Archives to > protect against this and we want to have the information available > to researchers. > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and > I for one don't like it. > > Kim Gordon > Clayton & Habersham CC > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has > >a > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > >addition to > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > >them if > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > >marriages- > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > >from > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, > >I can > >proceed to develop others. > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed > >the > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > >for > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > >RESEARCHERS, not > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > >census > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no > >idea > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > >retire > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > >the > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records > >to be > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > >desire > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > >and > >state coordinator. > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of > >them > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > >the > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > >archived > >files. > > > >Liz Robertson > >Coordinator > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites > >that > >are mostly links... > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > >info > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > >and I > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature > >of > >the archives handles that. > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > >McDuffie > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not > >doing > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in > >less > >than a month. > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > >cemeteries I > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > >could > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > >accessible to > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the > >info > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > >part > >of it. > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > >Michele Lewis > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > >example, > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > >anymore > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it > >is > >not searchable. > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > >which I > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > >important. > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers > >so > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > >web > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > >be one > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > >info on > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm

Peoples, Over the last day or so, I seem to have been the voice of reason. Here we go again (sounds like a peachy Ronald Reagan line, huh?). Seriously, there is a place for the Archives and there is a place for the County Pages. The idea is that they can all work together to make it happen. As a general rule, I encourage all of my contributors to send anything to contribute both to me and to the Archives. In this manner, the data is kept in two places. That means it is never lost. I have zero problems with anyone linking to the Archives from their county pages. It actually makes it much easier to handle, and it frees us up for more important duties - like transcribing, answering questions and the other things we do as CC's. So, let's all agree to disagree on this. Some of us have an appreciation for the Archives. Some of us see the Archives as competition. But there is a way to make the two work together. Let's focus on that. Richard On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:46:15 -0400, John Holback wrote > Then why don't you provide a direct link to the Archives County Site > Page and do away with your county pages as they are really a > duplication of what is at the Archives...all addresses for > government offices, schools, churches, history of county, and all of > that could all be right there at the archives..what do you need with > a county page....why waste the space on the WWW when it is no longer > needed in your situation...Why make the visitors go through the > county site to just get to the Archives? Just put the link to the > Archives on to he GAGenWeb Project County Index page and then save your > visitors a bit of time? And spend your time just building up the Archives. > But leave those who intend to keep material on the county level > alone? Those who have no content on the county just have it online > for what? make a direct link to the archives....do away with your > county page...and just set up :"all" in the archives...there are > already links there to go to the Mail Lists and Message Boards and > most of the County Archivists have also provided other material > which meets the county requirements...That is what I am > saying....but there are those of us who plan to keep the material at > the county website and do not intend to change from that. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:28 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has > a > > very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > > state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > addition to > > being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > them if > > they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > marriages- > > cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > from > > the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, > I can > > proceed to develop others. > > > > I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed > the > > files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > for > > participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > RESEARCHERS, not > > to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > census > > for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had > no idea > > that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > > decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > > available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > retire > > from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > the > > next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records > to be > > at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > desire > > nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable > > environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > and > > state coordinator. > > > > I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most > of them > > are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > the > > information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > archived > > files. > > > > Liz Robertson > > Coordinator > > HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web > sites that > > are mostly links... > > > > The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > info > > should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > and I > > think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search > feature of > > the archives handles that. > > > > If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > McDuffie > > archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not > doing > > anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries > in less > > than a month. > > > > If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > cemeteries I > > have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > could > > write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > accessible to > > genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using > the info > > on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > part > > of it. > > > > This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > Michele Lewis > > McDuffie Co, GA > > > > P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > example, > > James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map > of > > McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > anymore > > but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because > it is > > not searchable. > > > > Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > which I > > hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > important. > > > > Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > researchers so > > that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > web > > site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > be one > > big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > info on > > the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that > > people can find the info they need. > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > this > > list! > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com

Then why don't you provide a direct link to the Archives County Site Page and do away with your county pages as they are really a duplication of what is at the Archives...all addresses for government offices, schools, churches, history of county, and all of that could all be right there at the archives..what do you need with a county page....why waste the space on the WWW when it is no longer needed in your situation...Why make the visitors go through the county site to just get to the Archives? Just put the link to the Archives on to he GAGenWeb Project County Index page and then save your visitors a bit of time? And spend your time just building up the Archives. But leave those who intend to keep material on the county level alone? Those who have no content on the county just have it online for what? make a direct link to the archives....do away with your county page...and just set up :"all" in the archives...there are already links there to go to the Mail Lists and Message Boards and most of the County Archivists have also provided other material which meets the county requirements...That is what I am saying....but there are those of us who plan to keep the material at the county website and do not intend to change from that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has a > very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In addition to > being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain them if > they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - marriages- > cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files from > the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, I can > proceed to develop others. > > I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed the > files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason for > participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL RESEARCHERS, not > to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 census > for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no idea > that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I retire > from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to the > next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records to be > at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I desire > nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable > environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional and > state coordinator. > > I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of them > are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide the > information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and archived > files. > > Liz Robertson > Coordinator > HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites that > are mostly links... > > The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of info > should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person and I > think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature of > the archives handles that. > > If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the McDuffie > archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not doing > anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in less > than a month. > > If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the cemeteries I > have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I could > write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and accessible to > genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the info > on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a part > of it. > > This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > Michele Lewis > McDuffie Co, GA > > P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For example, > James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of > McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence anymore > but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it is > not searchable. > > Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people which I > hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very important. > > Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers so > that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the web > site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to be one > big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The info on > the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that > people can find the info they need. > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > list! > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > >

Sorry, Jimmy. I am not looking at the left coast of Georgia - yanno, the coast that broders Alabama. I am looking solidly at the right coast of Georgia and those twenty counties on the RIGHT coast of Georgia at that! Richard On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:32:42 -0500, jimmy wrote > Richard... > > What this I hear that your eyes have a severe jump to the left when > you look at a a GA map..... therefore I must presume you are > discussing the SouthWest region!!! In that case I will agree!!! > > jimmy > > mannannan wrote: > > > It just means that my region is the best region in the entire USGenWeb > > Project. No challenge - just a fact. > > > > And yes, you can help keep me in line. :) > > > > Richard > > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:20:41 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote > > > Alright Junior, you know you need someone to keep you in line. Sr. Lajara > > > taught me well and I still have a pointing stick to get after you with! > > > <grin> > > > > > > And what do you mean your region is the best? We have some real fine > > > regions here. So is that a challenge? <g> > > > > > > Jan Cortez > > > Banks County > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > > > > > > > Jan, > > > > > > > > Your name is third on the list of volunteers, even though it is against my > > > > better judgment <grins>. For those who don't know and can't tell, I am > > > > kidding. Jan and I go way back with this picking on eachother - at least > > > to > > > > the NC election last year when she gave me my nickname. > > > > > > > > And may I add that I am *thrilled* to see the volunteerism going on. I > > > > certainly hope that it is something that will continue beyond today. > > > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:08:29 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote > > > > > I will also volunteer to help on the guidelines committee. I only > > > > > wish that this had been done before it came to the situation we have > > > > > here in GA. > > > > > > > > > > I see a petition for removal as a last resort. Maybe its being an > > > election > > > > > administrator for 17 years that makes me feel that way.........<sigh> > > > > > > > > > > Jan Cortez > > > > > Banks County > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: <jackij@chesapeake.net> > > > > > > > > > > > From Richard: > > > > > > > It is my firm hope that we can get through this storm, re- establish > > > > > ourselves > > > > > > > as a project, and then get on with business. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We will seek volunteers from which to form a committee to review and > > > > > revise > > > > > > > the Guidelines. > > > > > > > > > > > > I will volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jacki > > > > > > Colquitt > > > > > > County > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > This email message was sent using web-based email services provided by > > > > > Chesapeake.Net > > > > > > Internet Services. > > > > > > http://www.chesapeake.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please > > > write > > > > > > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > > > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > > > this > > > > list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- > > L@rootsweb.com> > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Regional Coordinators are there to help County Coordinators. Don't > hesitate to contact them should you have any, any question. To find > info on your region visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/regional.html

There is one argument that I've never heard anyone mention when debating the place of the Archives within the GAGenWeb Project as a whole, and that is the advantages of having material presented in plain text, as opposed to material presented in HTML (particularly if using tables and frames). There are certain browsers that still cannot read tables and frames correctly. Most county sites use both to format almost every record (I am just as guilty as anyone else). We tend to forget that there are certain segments of the population who cannot access our sites because of these problems. I'm not just talking about people with slow or outdated browsers. From what I can tell, the computer programs used by the blind to read web sites have a hard time reading tables. Of course, this may have changed in the past few years as technology evolves to meet the need. Still, this is a valid point...county web sites are often complicated and graphically challenging, making them hard for some people to navigate through. My solution to these problems was to streamline my pages, making them as simple as possible, AND to place text versions of HTML documents in the Archives. I don't feel like it's a waste of space. Rather, it provides an alternate method of viewing the material for those who cannot (or prefer not to) read material in table-and-frame form. Sincerely, Dawn Watson CC/Rabun Co., GAGenWeb _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

I certainly will. Please let him know I'm wishing his aunt the best. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 10:13 AM 4/9/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Peoples, > >Tim Stowell asked me to send a message to the list on his behalf. > >His aunt has two brain tumors, and he has gone to see her. She has taken a >turn for the worse. I am not sure at this moment what the prognosis is. As >soon as I hear from Tim, I will let everyone know by posting to this list. > >Barring the unforeseen, he should be back in a day or two. > >Let's please keep Tim, his aunt and their family in our prayers. > >Richard > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write >GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

Richard... What this I hear that your eyes have a severe jump to the left when you look at a a GA map..... therefore I must presume you are discussing the SouthWest region!!! In that case I will agree!!! jimmy mannannan wrote: > It just means that my region is the best region in the entire USGenWeb > Project. No challenge - just a fact. > > And yes, you can help keep me in line. :) > > Richard > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:20:41 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote > > Alright Junior, you know you need someone to keep you in line. Sr. Lajara > > taught me well and I still have a pointing stick to get after you with! > > <grin> > > > > And what do you mean your region is the best? We have some real fine > > regions here. So is that a challenge? <g> > > > > Jan Cortez > > Banks County > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > > > > > Jan, > > > > > > Your name is third on the list of volunteers, even though it is against my > > > better judgment <grins>. For those who don't know and can't tell, I am > > > kidding. Jan and I go way back with this picking on eachother - at least > > to > > > the NC election last year when she gave me my nickname. > > > > > > And may I add that I am *thrilled* to see the volunteerism going on. I > > > certainly hope that it is something that will continue beyond today. > > > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:08:29 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote > > > > I will also volunteer to help on the guidelines committee. I only > > > > wish that this had been done before it came to the situation we have > > > > here in GA. > > > > > > > > I see a petition for removal as a last resort. Maybe its being an > > election > > > > administrator for 17 years that makes me feel that way.........<sigh> > > > > > > > > Jan Cortez > > > > Banks County > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: <jackij@chesapeake.net> > > > > > > > > > From Richard: > > > > > > It is my firm hope that we can get through this storm, re-establish > > > > ourselves > > > > > > as a project, and then get on with business. > > > > > > > > > > > > We will seek volunteers from which to form a committee to review and > > > > revise > > > > > > the Guidelines. > > > > > > > > > > I will volunteer. > > > > > > > > > > Jacki > > > > > Colquitt > > > > > County > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > This email message was sent using web-based email services provided by > > > > Chesapeake.Net > > > > > Internet Services. > > > > > http://www.chesapeake.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please > > write > > > > > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > > this > > > list! > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- > L@rootsweb.com> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/

Peoples, Tim Stowell asked me to send a message to the list on his behalf. His aunt has two brain tumors, and he has gone to see her. She has taken a turn for the worse. I am not sure at this moment what the prognosis is. As soon as I hear from Tim, I will let everyone know by posting to this list. Barring the unforeseen, he should be back in a day or two. Let's please keep Tim, his aunt and their family in our prayers. Richard

It just means that my region is the best region in the entire USGenWeb Project. No challenge - just a fact. And yes, you can help keep me in line. :) Richard On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:20:41 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote > Alright Junior, you know you need someone to keep you in line. Sr. Lajara > taught me well and I still have a pointing stick to get after you with! > <grin> > > And what do you mean your region is the best? We have some real fine > regions here. So is that a challenge? <g> > > Jan Cortez > Banks County > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > > > Jan, > > > > Your name is third on the list of volunteers, even though it is against my > > better judgment <grins>. For those who don't know and can't tell, I am > > kidding. Jan and I go way back with this picking on eachother - at least > to > > the NC election last year when she gave me my nickname. > > > > And may I add that I am *thrilled* to see the volunteerism going on. I > > certainly hope that it is something that will continue beyond today. > > > > Richard > > > > > > > > On Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:08:29 -0400, Jan Cortez wrote > > > I will also volunteer to help on the guidelines committee. I only > > > wish that this had been done before it came to the situation we have > > > here in GA. > > > > > > I see a petition for removal as a last resort. Maybe its being an > election > > > administrator for 17 years that makes me feel that way.........<sigh> > > > > > > Jan Cortez > > > Banks County > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <jackij@chesapeake.net> > > > > > > > From Richard: > > > > > It is my firm hope that we can get through this storm, re-establish > > > ourselves > > > > > as a project, and then get on with business. > > > > > > > > > > We will seek volunteers from which to form a committee to review and > > > revise > > > > > the Guidelines. > > > > > > > > I will volunteer. > > > > > > > > Jacki > > > > Colquitt > > > > County > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > This email message was sent using web-based email services provided by > > > Chesapeake.Net > > > > Internet Services. > > > > http://www.chesapeake.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please > write > > > > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > this > > list! > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- L@rootsweb.com>

Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has a very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In addition to being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain them if they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - marriages- cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files from the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, I can proceed to develop others. I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed the files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason for participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL RESEARCHERS, not to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 census for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no idea that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I retire from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to the next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records to be at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I desire nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional and state coordinator. I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of them are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide the information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and archived files. Liz Robertson Coordinator HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites that are mostly links... The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of info should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person and I think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature of the archives handles that. If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the McDuffie archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not doing anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in less than a month. If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the cemeteries I have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I could write a cemetery book and get paid for it. The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and accessible to genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the info on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a part of it. This is really starting to get ridiculous. Michele Lewis McDuffie Co, GA P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For example, James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence anymore but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it is not searchable. Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people which I hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very important. Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers so that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the web site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to be one big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The info on the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that people can find the info they need. ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this list!

It's 3 minutes off. Richard On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 01:57:18 EDT, MFLP wrote > In a message dated 4/8/2003 6:47:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mannannan@maclyr.com writes: > > << Donna - you may want to adjust the clock on your computer, as > your email is being postmarked several hours before it is sent, > which makes it difficult to read because it was hidden among emails > I had previously read. > > Richard >> > > Thanks Richard but it is not the clock on my computer. Apparently > AOL has been having mail problems today. It had me locked out of my > email for about 1/2 hour. I am sending this one at 1:54 AM GA time. > Let me know if it is still off. > > Donna > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm

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This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites that are mostly links... The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of info should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person and I think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature of the archives handles that. If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the McDuffie archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not doing anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in less than a month. If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the cemeteries I have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I could write a cemetery book and get paid for it. The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and accessible to genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the info on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a part of it. This is really starting to get ridiculous. Michele Lewis McDuffie Co, GA P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For example, James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence anymore but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it is not searchable. Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people which I hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very important. Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers so that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the web site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to be one big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The info on the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that people can find the info they need.

Very cool. Thanks, MK. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 04:28 PM 4/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > <A HREF="http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/default.asp">Click here: Main > Archives Launching Screen for Patrons to Search Database</A> > >I noticed that many of the "brick walls" listed in the meet and greets had >ties to SC (which I find nearly impossible to research on the web). > >Thought you guys would find this link useful - just got it via another list I >am on. > >MK Harrison ><A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> ><A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> ><A >HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceC >ode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> >I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, >assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth >world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein >Copyright © 2003 > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write >GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341