Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page or item in the archives, just the TOC. Kim >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > >Kim and the List, > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With >that >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the page >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious intent of >is for it to appear that the CC did >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears that >it is a part of the county pages...... >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the >work.....my >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for under >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to figure >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do some >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal files >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to add >to >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial pursuits. >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to place >all >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites do >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so I >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize both >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers >Georgia would have! > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > >Kim > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > >Spalding County CC > >Cherokee County Co-CC > >Military Page CoCC > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing >against > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and > >make > >it > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > >outright > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials > >removed > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I > >for > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the >Archives > >has > > > >a > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see > >more > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > > >addition to > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to >maintain > > > >them if > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > >marriages- > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those > >files > > > >from > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the > >files, > > > >I can > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > >contributed > > > >the > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole > >reason > > > >for > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the > >1870 > > > >census > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator > >had > >no > > > >idea > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying > >to > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will > >be > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. >When > >I > > > >retire > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the >pages > >to > > > >the > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these > >records > > > >to be > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history >and > >I > > > >desire > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > >enjoyable > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > >regional > > > >and > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. > >Most > >of > > > >them > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > >provide > > > >the > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" >and > > > >archived > > > >files. > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > >Coordinator > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web > >sites > > > >that > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit >of > > > >info > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular > >person > > > >and I > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search > >feature > > > >of > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > > >McDuffie > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I >am > >not > > > >doing > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > >cemeteries > >in > > > >less > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > >cemeteries I > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. >I > > > >could > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > >accessible to > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been >using > >the > > > >info > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to >be > >a > > > >part > > > >of it. > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > > >example, > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great > >map > >of > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > > >anymore > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > >because > >it > > > >is > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup >people > > > >which I > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > >important. > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are >being > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > >researchers > > > >so > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND > >the > > > >web > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are >supposed > >to > > > >be one > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. >The > > > >info on > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so > >that > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it >on > >this > > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Confused about Copyrights??? 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Kim and the List, I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With that CC's name and copyright on that page also.... and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the page please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious intent of is for it to appear that the CC did the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties GenWeb information at the top with the CC's name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears that it is a part of the county pages...... Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the work.....my thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for under threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to figure out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do some actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal files from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to add to county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial pursuits. I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to place all of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites do abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so I know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed another census transcription and will do the same with it. I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize both projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers Georgia would have! Linda Blum-Barton -----Original Message----- From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the archives and put on the CC's server. Kim >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul >Spalding County CC >Cherokee County Co-CC >Military Page CoCC > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and >make >it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, >outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials >removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I >for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see >more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those >files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole >reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the >1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator >had >no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying >to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will >be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When >I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages >to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and >I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our >regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. >Most >of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to >provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular >person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 >cemeteries >in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be >a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great >map >of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives >because >it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND >the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed >to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this list!

Vivian, you too have made a lot of solutions to the problems which we CCs face and the visitors face when visiting the sites. And I agree with those solutions and could live with that. The county site is usually the first place that a researcher comes to and most of our sites are warm and friendly and inviting to the visitor. We make them feel welcome and those of us who try to share our own memories or others memories of the county and the people allow those visitors to glimpse at what life may have been like growing up there for their relatives and ancestors. With both counties that I maintain I am fortunate that I can do that. Some of the people who subscribe to the mail list are people that I met when attended kindergarten. Some are my own blood relatives..in fact many are as the people in our counties intermarried so much when they came into GA that everybody is related to everybody else if their ancestors were Southerners to begin with. And they moved from state to state and county to county in clusters. This is also my link with my home which I miss very much at times..this keeps it alive for me and keeps the many people alive who are now gone. This has been a labor of love for me and one that I hold very dear to my heart and like a mother with a child I will defend those county sites when I feel anyone is threatening them.. Some said the mail lists was not active when I was being attacked..the mail list is there and there is also the boards which I host and anytime someone sees a message posted one of our subscribed cousins takes hold and does the lookup from the many sources which we have within our lookup library...on the board there are "cousins" who come to anyone's aid when they need it...We are a little community and we welcome people in when they respect us and we never turn anyone away. All messages do not need to be public..there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes in the way of helping people who need lookups and such..so no we don't have a big problem with any of that with either county and most of us have the books, census records, cds and such that if someone has a problem with their pc not being able to read the material we will get that information to them. And I for one would love to be able to place plain text documents on the sites I host for the people who can not view tables...I would gladly do that..the county site allows a personal contact with people which is important. Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Saffold" <msaffold@bellsouth.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: [GAGEN] data placement > Issues in the current debate seem to be fairly simply solved, in my opinion. > > Submitters, those who offer their data to be placed online (regardless of > whether it is a CC or an outside source), should make the final call as to > where their data goes. They should be made aware that they can have their > data both places, but certainly should be free to choose one or the other. > > There are advantages to each: > 1. County sites generally are the researcher's first portal to the GAGenWeb > project and potentially provide the researcher with "one stop shopping." > 2. Text presentation may be more suitable than html to some researchers. > > Ease of searching differs from site to site, and some days I've had trouble > with the Archives search engine, too. > > Posting data in both locations also has its advantages: > 1. More people are likely to see it. > 2. Built-in redundancy gives some insurance that the data will remain > available. > > One would hope we would not need to remind experienced researchers like our > volunteers that *taking* data and presenting it as your own is illegal, not > to mention wrong. > > Vivian Price Saffold > Meriwether County > > 3570 Hildon Circle > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >

> Let's please keep Tim, his aunt and their family in our prayers. I certainly will. Jacki Colquitt County ------------------------------------------------------------------ This email message was sent using web-based email services provided by Chesapeake.Net Internet Services. http://www.chesapeake.net/

Well said, Michelle! Thank you. Can we now put this issue to rest? We could beat on it all day long and not convince everyone else to see it the same way. Richard On Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:44:29 -0400, Michele Lewis wrote > The Archives and the CC pages are both part of the USGenWeb > (GAGenWeb) project. > > It is not a competition nor a race to see who can get the best or > the most info. > > We are supposed to be working together to make genealogical > information easily accessible to researchers. > > The topic of stealing information is a totally separate thing! If I > submit a file to either the Archives or to a CC page with my name on > it, I would be highly upset if someone took that information, took > my name off of it and inserted their name. I am very disturbed that > some of y'all are saying this is not that uncommon of an occurance. > However, if I submitted a file to the archives and that particular > CC wanted to link to my page in the archives, or even copy the info > right onto their web page (as long as my file was in it's original > form with my name still on it) I wouldn't mind at all. > > Hugs to all > > Michele > McDuffie Co > > Michele <----------- > *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus *** > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com

Kim, With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this point. I think that all GeorgiaGenWeb Project pages should have a link to the Archives page for their county. However, I do not have a problem with linking directly to a file on the Archives so long as a notation is made that the link is a link to Archives and giving the name of the submitter. Let it open in a new page as opposed to opening on your page. Richard RC - Coastal Region of Georgia CC - Gilmer County McIntosh County Co-CC - Cobb County Assistant CC - Evans County Second ASC On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:18:21 -0400, kim gordon wrote > Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it > should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page > or item in the archives, just the TOC. > > Kim > > >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > > > >Kim and the List, > > > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With > >that > >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... > >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the page > >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > > > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious intent of > >is for it to appear that the CC did > >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties > >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's > >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears that > >it is a part of the county pages...... > >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > > > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the > >work.....my > >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for under > >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - > >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have > >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a > >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to figure > >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do some > >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > > > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal files > >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to add > >to > >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial pursuits. > >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my > >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both > >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to place > >all > >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites do > >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so I > >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed > >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > > > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs > >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize both > >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers > >Georgia would have! > > > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the > >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > > > > > >Kim > > > > > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > > >Spalding County CC > > >Cherokee County Co-CC > > >Military Page CoCC > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > >against > > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and > > >make > > >it > > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > > >outright > > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials > > >removed > > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I > > >for > > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the > >Archives > > >has > > > > >a > > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see > > >more > > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > > > >addition to > > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to > >maintain > > > > >them if > > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > > >marriages- > > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those > > >files > > > > >from > > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the > > >files, > > > > >I can > > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > > >contributed > > > > >the > > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole > > >reason > > > > >for > > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the > > >1870 > > > > >census > > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator > > >had > > >no > > > > >idea > > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying > > >to > > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will > > >be > > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. > >When > > >I > > > > >retire > > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the > >pages > > >to > > > > >the > > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these > > >records > > > > >to be > > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history > >and > > >I > > > > >desire > > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > > >enjoyable > > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > > >regional > > > > >and > > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. > > >Most > > >of > > > > >them > > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > > >provide > > > > >the > > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" > >and > > > > >archived > > > > >files. > > > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > > >Coordinator > > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web > > >sites > > > > >that > > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit > >of > > > > >info > > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular > > >person > > > > >and I > > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search > > >feature > > > > >of > > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > > > >McDuffie > > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I > >am > > >not > > > > >doing > > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > > >cemeteries > > >in > > > > >less > > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > > >cemeteries I > > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. > >I > > > > >could > > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > > >accessible to > > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been > >using > > >the > > > > >info > > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to > >be > > >a > > > > >part > > > > >of it. > > > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > > > >example, > > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great > > >map > > >of > > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > > > >anymore > > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > > >because > > >it > > > > >is > > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup > >people > > > > >which I > > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > > >important. > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are > >being > > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > > >researchers > > > > >so > > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND > > >the > > > > >web > > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are > >supposed > > >to > > > > >be one > > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. > >The > > > > >info on > > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so > > >that > > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? 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No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the archives and put on the CC's server. Kim >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul >Spalding County CC >Cherokee County Co-CC >Military Page CoCC > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and >make >it > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, >outright > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials >removed > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > information available to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I >for > > one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see >more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those >files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole >reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the >1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator >had >no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying >to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will >be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When >I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages >to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and >I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our >regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. >Most >of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to >provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular >person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 >cemeteries >in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be >a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great >map >of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives >because >it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND >the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed >to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? 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Thanks Liz, It's nice to know that there are other CC's out there like me who have good values and know better than to do things like that. Kim >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 14:18:10 -0400 > >Kim, I would call anyone a thief that took my data from either the archives >or >the county sites...and maybe a few other names...and I would also be very >mad. >However, some of my files were "copied" by a competitors site and "updated" >with >their names on them and they were copied from the county site. Guess as >long as >there are dishonest people, we will face the possibility of this no matter >where >the files are located. Files should not be removed from Archives without >discussing it with the owner of the copyright. > >Catch you later > >Liz Robertsn > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Hi Liz, > >I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against >them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make >it >look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright >stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials >removed >from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the >information available to researchers. > >This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for >one don't like it. > >Kim Gordon >Clayton & Habersham CC > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > >a > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > >addition to > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > >them if > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > >marriages- > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > >from > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > >I can > >proceed to develop others. > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > >the > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > >for > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > >RESEARCHERS, not > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > >census > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had >no > >idea > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > >retire > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > >the > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > >to be > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > >desire > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > >and > >state coordinator. > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most >of > >them > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > >the > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > >archived > >files. > > > >Liz Robertson > >Coordinator > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > >that > >are mostly links... > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > >info > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > >and I > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > >of > >the archives handles that. > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > >McDuffie > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > >doing > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries >in > >less > >than a month. > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > >cemeteries I > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > >could > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > >accessible to > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > >info > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > >part > >of it. > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > >Michele Lewis > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > >example, > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map >of > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > >anymore > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because >it > >is > >not searchable. > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > >which I > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > >important. > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > >so > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > >web > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > >be one > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > >info on > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? >Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Got a problem? 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Point well taken, Connie. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 02:34 PM 4/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Shall we include the two census projects in here, too and contemplate >there are 4 possible places for census files to be on-line? > >Connie >Acc: Heard > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Michael Saffold [mailto:msaffold@bellsouth.net] >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:16 PM >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GAGEN] data placement > >Issues in the current debate seem to be fairly simply solved, in my >opinion. > >Submitters, those who offer their data to be placed online (regardless >of >whether it is a CC or an outside source), should make the final call as >to >where their data goes. They should be made aware that they can have >their >data both places, but certainly should be free to choose one or the >other. > >There are advantages to each: >1. County sites generally are the researcher's first portal to the >GAGenWeb >project and potentially provide the researcher with "one stop shopping." >2. Text presentation may be more suitable than html to some researchers. > >Ease of searching differs from site to site, and some days I've had >trouble >with the Archives search engine, too. > >Posting data in both locations also has its advantages: >1. More people are likely to see it. >2. Built-in redundancy gives some insurance that the data will remain >available. > >One would hope we would not need to remind experienced researchers like >our >volunteers that *taking* data and presenting it as your own is illegal, >not >to mention wrong. > >Vivian Price Saffold >Meriwether County > >3570 Hildon Circle >Chamblee, GA 30341 > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please >write >GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: >http://www.adoption.org 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

Shall we include the two census projects in here, too and contemplate there are 4 possible places for census files to be on-line? Connie Acc: Heard -----Original Message----- From: Michael Saffold [mailto:msaffold@bellsouth.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 2:16 PM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] data placement Issues in the current debate seem to be fairly simply solved, in my opinion. Submitters, those who offer their data to be placed online (regardless of whether it is a CC or an outside source), should make the final call as to where their data goes. They should be made aware that they can have their data both places, but certainly should be free to choose one or the other. There are advantages to each: 1. County sites generally are the researcher's first portal to the GAGenWeb project and potentially provide the researcher with "one stop shopping." 2. Text presentation may be more suitable than html to some researchers. Ease of searching differs from site to site, and some days I've had trouble with the Archives search engine, too. Posting data in both locations also has its advantages: 1. More people are likely to see it. 2. Built-in redundancy gives some insurance that the data will remain available. One would hope we would not need to remind experienced researchers like our volunteers that *taking* data and presenting it as your own is illegal, not to mention wrong. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341 ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com

Kim, I would call anyone a thief that took my data from either the archives or the county sites...and maybe a few other names...and I would also be very mad. However, some of my files were "copied" by a competitors site and "updated" with their names on them and they were copied from the county site. Guess as long as there are dishonest people, we will face the possibility of this no matter where the files are located. Files should not be removed from Archives without discussing it with the owner of the copyright. Catch you later Liz Robertsn ----- Original Message ----- From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad Hi Liz, I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make it look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials removed from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the information available to researchers. This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for one don't like it. Kim Gordon Clayton & Habersham CC >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has >a >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In >addition to >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain >them if >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - >marriages- >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files >from >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, >I can >proceed to develop others. > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed >the >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason >for >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL >RESEARCHERS, not >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 >census >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no >idea >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I >retire >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to >the >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records >to be >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I >desire >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional >and >state coordinator. > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of >them >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide >the >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and >archived >files. > >Liz Robertson >Coordinator >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites >that >are mostly links... > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of >info >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person >and I >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature >of >the archives handles that. > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the >McDuffie >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not >doing >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in >less >than a month. > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the >cemeteries I >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I >could >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and >accessible to >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the >info >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a >part >of it. > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > >Michele Lewis >McDuffie Co, GA > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For >example, >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence >anymore >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it >is >not searchable. > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people >which I >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very >important. > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers >so >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the >web >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to >be one >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The >info on >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that >people can find the info they need. > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this >list! > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm

Issues in the current debate seem to be fairly simply solved, in my opinion. Submitters, those who offer their data to be placed online (regardless of whether it is a CC or an outside source), should make the final call as to where their data goes. They should be made aware that they can have their data both places, but certainly should be free to choose one or the other. There are advantages to each: 1. County sites generally are the researcher's first portal to the GAGenWeb project and potentially provide the researcher with "one stop shopping." 2. Text presentation may be more suitable than html to some researchers. Ease of searching differs from site to site, and some days I've had trouble with the Archives search engine, too. Posting data in both locations also has its advantages: 1. More people are likely to see it. 2. Built-in redundancy gives some insurance that the data will remain available. One would hope we would not need to remind experienced researchers like our volunteers that *taking* data and presenting it as your own is illegal, not to mention wrong. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

I have no problem with that concept either. To allow both for the visitors is better than to try to force CCs to place material in the Archives. And be attacked if they don't. Debra tore me up and all of the ladies chimed in without knowing all of the facts and did not have all the facts a few months ago and I was accused of not wanting the lady to place material in the Archives, when in fact in my first email to her thanking her for sharing the material I suggested she contact Debra, the project mgr. for the Obits project, the project mgr for the tombstone project and also told her there was a mail list especially for obits but the ones that I hosted were not due to the fact a lot of us subscribed to a lot of mail lists...it was said that I told the lady there would be copyright problems that was not true I told her it would be wise to check with the Newspaper to learn who had sent the obit to the newspaper, the family members, the funeral home. As any one of those could have the actual copyrights and it is wise to find out who and then contact them before posting the material to the WWW. As I also stated I did not allow material to be posted about living persons or recent obits and such to the lists...everything was twisted around to serve what Debra wanted to make me an example for all those CCs who are list moms that she has free will with out mail lists..she got back at any of you who had told her not to post to the lists...by using me as a scape goat.. That hurt very bad that a group of you were so quick to judge without having all the facts and taking Debra's word for all of it when she was being self serving for the reasons I just stated. After setting up about ten of the Mail Lists for the GA Counties and then when I adopted out a county turning over the mail list to the new CC of the GAGenWeb County I had never, never had to unsub anyone ever and it was not an easy decision and I sent numerous emails to the lady which she never acknowledged..the only one she acknowledged was the one/s posted to this list and every ga mail list the lady belongs to...where then those subscribers started to attack my character without knowing all the facts...I watched them tear me apart ...During that time those attacks were going on I shed a lot of tears and did lose some sleep...as I did not deserve what was being done..So that is just one experience with an Archivist .....and it was not pleasant .Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Plain text vs. HTML > Dawn has raised a very good and very valid point. Thank you. Well said. > > Richard > > > > On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:27:24 -0500, Dawn Watson wrote > > There is one argument that I've never heard anyone mention when > > debating the place of the Archives within the GAGenWeb Project as a > > whole, and that is the advantages of having material presented in > > plain text, as opposed to material presented in HTML (particularly > > if using tables and frames). There are certain browsers that still > > cannot read tables and frames correctly. Most county sites use both > > to format almost every record (I am just as guilty as anyone else). > > > > We tend to forget that there are certain segments of the population > > who cannot access our sites because of these problems. I'm not just > > talking about people with slow or outdated browsers. From what I can > > tell, the computer programs used by the blind to read web sites have > > a hard time reading tables. Of course, this may have changed in the > > past few years as technology evolves to meet the need. Still, this > > is a valid point...county web sites are often complicated and > > graphically challenging, making them hard for some people to > > navigate through. > > > > My solution to these problems was to streamline my pages, making > > them as simple as possible, AND to place text versions of HTML > > documents in the Archives. I don't feel like it's a waste of space. > > Rather, it provides an alternate method of viewing the material for > > those who cannot (or prefer not to) read material in table-and-frame > > form. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dawn Watson > > CC/Rabun Co., GAGenWeb > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights > > at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >

Did someone remove your name from the document? Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. Chuck Pierce -- the old soul Spalding County CC Cherokee County Co-CC Military Page CoCC ----- Original Message ----- From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > Hi Liz, > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing against > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information and make it > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, outright > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our materials removed > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > information available to researchers. > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and I for > one don't like it. > > Kim Gordon > Clayton & Habersham CC > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives has > >a > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see more > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > >addition to > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > >them if > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > >marriages- > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those files > >from > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the files, > >I can > >proceed to develop others. > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have contributed > >the > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole reason > >for > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > >RESEARCHERS, not > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the 1870 > >census > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator had no > >idea > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying to > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will be > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When I > >retire > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages to > >the > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these records > >to be > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and I > >desire > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an enjoyable > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our regional > >and > >state coordinator. > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. Most of > >them > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to provide > >the > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > >archived > >files. > > > >Liz Robertson > >Coordinator > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web sites > >that > >are mostly links... > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > >info > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular person > >and I > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search feature > >of > >the archives handles that. > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > >McDuffie > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am not > >doing > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 cemeteries in > >less > >than a month. > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > >cemeteries I > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > >could > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > >accessible to > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using the > >info > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be a > >part > >of it. > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > >Michele Lewis > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > >example, > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great map of > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > >anymore > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives because it > >is > >not searchable. > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > >which I > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > >important. > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the researchers > >so > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND the > >web > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed to > >be one > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > >info on > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so that > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm >

At 11:50 AM 4/9/03 -0500, you wrote: >Over the last day or so, I seem to have been the voice of reason. Here we go >again (sounds like a peachy Ronald Reagan line, huh?). Are we to assume you are now running for something.... or from something? <gbg> >So, let's all agree to disagree on this. Some of us have an appreciation for >the Archives. Some of us see the Archives as competition. But there is a >way to make the two work together. Let's focus on that. If it would help, I would be glad to try to work with all individuals in this tug-of-war to reach a peaceful solution. I hate to see all this 'discussion' about something that can be a real asset to the project. So..... can we work toward a solution? Wyndell

The advantage of the archives is the search tool. However, search engines are available to put on all of the county sites. I am looking for a soundex search engine. If any of you know of one, let me know! MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein Copyright © 2003

On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 13:12:09 -0400, Wyndell Taylor wrote > At 11:50 AM 4/9/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Over the last day or so, I seem to have been the voice of reason. Here we > go > >again (sounds like a peachy Ronald Reagan line, huh?). > > Are we to assume you are now running for something.... or from something? > <gbg> Actually, I am trying like hell to run away from all of this mess. <grins> I understand that there is a vacancy as President of Iraq. Maybe I should run for that office. Richard

At 11:46 AM 4/9/03 -0400, you wrote: >provided other material which meets the county requirements...That is what I >am saying....but there are those of us who plan to keep the material at the >county website and do not intend to change from that. Not sure where and why the difficulties developed between the county sites and the archives, but I think they both have a place in this project. I developed a lot of data for Cherokee County while I was the cc there. It is still there for the time being. And I think as long as Brenda has the page, the data will stay there. I was one of the first to push hard for data to be placed on the county pages. I tried to lead by an example for others. However, during the course of events within the project not all county cc's were interested in placing data on their sites. In fact there were some who flatly refused to place data there. I believe there have been some 'wars' over that. I am not judging anyone. But to take a site and not place data there, is wrong. Why have a site without data? At the same time, I do not like to see a page of links. Maybe it is reduntant to have data in the archives and on the pages. At some time in the future, someone may take the Cherokee page and decide they don't like me, or the way I presented the data, or for some other reason remove the data. Since I provided for it to go to the archives, as long as that stays around, then the data is available for researchers to use. I have abstracted some data in other counties. A copy was sent to the cc's of the counties involved, as well as the archives. Seems these cc's don't want the data on their pages. Or maybe they didn't like the idea of me giving the data to the archives. Anyway... the last time I looked, there were some that the data had not been presented. So... did I waste my time and effort? Seems I did, as far as the county sites are concerned. There is to much work to be done to have all this fighting over who has a file. If a person abstacts and wants it put in ONLY ONE PLACE, then it should be only in that one place. Be it on the county site, or in the archives. But if they want it in both, put it in both. I am not sure that the aim of the project hasn't been lost. When I signed on in 1996, we wanted to get data in place for researchers. Now I am not sure what the aim is. Wyndell Taylor

Hi Richard, I totally agree with that but there are other GA CC's who don't and take whatever they want, even if it's from another county site not affiliated with GenWeb. Kim >From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:52:12 -0500 > >No one should ever take something from the Archives and present it as their >own work. That is outright theft of intellectual property. > >If you see something in the Archives that you like, then you LINK to it >(and >note that it is a link to the Archives). > >Richard > > > >On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 11:56:39 -0400, kim gordon wrote > > Hi Liz, > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > > against them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the > > information and make it look like their own? I'm not talking about > > just linking to them, outright stealing and thinking it's ok to do > > so. We can't have our materials removed from the Archives to > > protect against this and we want to have the information available > > to researchers. > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year and > > I for one don't like it. > > > > Kim Gordon > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the Archives >has > > >a > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to see >more > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. In > > >addition to > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to maintain > > >them if > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > >marriages- > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to those >files > > >from > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing the >files, > > >I can > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have >contributed > > >the > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My sole >reason > > >for > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing the >1870 > > >census > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the enumerator >had >no > > >idea > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be trying >to > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today will >be > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. When >I > > >retire > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the pages >to > > >the > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of these >records > > >to be > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our history and >I > > >desire > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an >enjoyable > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our >regional > > >and > > >state coordinator. > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the links. >Most >of > > >them > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to >provide > > >the > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home pages" and > > >archived > > >files. > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > >Coordinator > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county web >sites > > >that > > >are mostly links... > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available bit of > > >info > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a particular >person > > >and I > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The search >feature > > >of > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on the > > >McDuffie > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that I am >not > > >doing > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 >cemeteries >in > > >less > > >than a month. > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > >cemeteries I > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to it. I > > >could > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > >accessible to > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been using >the > > >info > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted to be >a > > >part > > >of it. > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. For > > >example, > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a great >map of > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in existence > > >anymore > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives >because >it > > >is > > >not searchable. > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup people > > >which I > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > >important. > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are being > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the >researchers > > >so > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page AND >the > > >web > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are supposed >to > > >be one > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial issue. The > > >info on > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to it so >that > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights??? 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